Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/crime/2024/06/police-id-woman-killed-after-stolen-suv-crashes-into-dc-building-suspect-charged-with-murder-kidnapping-carjacking/

A very different version is emerging than what we initially thought.

As speculated, the perp was indeed a patient "acting crazy" and suspected of having taken some unknown drug.

So, like a drunk driver, she had no control over her actions.

Says who? Drunk drivers get convicted all the time. It appears she's not a run of the mill DC carjacker, though. This is more like those incidents of mentally ill guys knifing someone on the street. Random and unexplainable.

You’re making excuses for a crackhead doing crackhead things.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Nope, law enforcement is not responsible for what this woman did. I’m sure you’re also one of those that scream and complain when law enforcement does get involved and isn’t as soft as you would like. You cannot have it both ways. Law enforcement was not responsible for staying with a woman who decided to get cracked out of her mind and had to be taken to a hospital but at that point had committed no crimes. The police are not a social services agency.

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Anonymous wrote:The news just said the lady may have been dead before the car was taken.

Yes, it does sound like she was having a stroke or heart attack before the car was taken. Unclear why her poor dd had to drive her to the emergency room entrance while they were in the hospital.

This savage should still be charged with at least manslaughter even if they determine the poor woman was dead before the carjacking. They may have been able to render help had she not been effing kidnapped.

You think they could have brought her back from the dead?

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We need beefed up involuntary commitment in DC it's a travesty they tore down the old DC general site instead of turning it into a state of the art treatment center with ample beds.. There are so many people having mental breaks roaming the streets - and apparently the hospitals too. PIW, the only secure treatment facility, cannot handle them all. But they don't need to - because DC is loathe to commit and treat in the first place. This girl should have been brought to PIW and put in a secure space for evaluation. What a horrible horrible story of two different mothers and daughters. I have no words.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

+1, I'm frustrated that this is a situation where the family did it right-- contacted authorities to say this person is a danger to other people (and maybe herself) please help-- and the cops just took them to the hospital and then walked away.

If Brown had not stolen the car, she might also have hurt hospital staff, another patient, or her family. Why did the cops leave someone who has been identified as a violent threat alone? All they had to do was leave a beat cop with her until they figured out what she was on/treated any immediate issue, then they probably could have arrested her for illegal drug use (or if the drug was out of her system and she was no longer a threat, released to her family).

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Anonymous wrote:How does the person that gets whacked out of your mind on drugs and then murders someone get called a victim?

Apparently, some man from the Internet made her take random drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

+1, I'm frustrated that this is a situation where the family did it right-- contacted authorities to say this person is a danger to other people (and maybe herself) please help-- and the cops just took them to the hospital and then walked away.

If Brown had not stolen the car, she might also have hurt hospital staff, another patient, or her family. Why did the cops leave someone who has been identified as a violent threat alone? All they had to do was leave a beat cop with her until they figured out what she was on/treated any immediate issue, then they probably could have arrested her for illegal drug use (or if the drug was out of her system and she was no longer a threat, released to her family).

She was taken to the hospital in an ambulance with a fast heart rate. She was not arrested or under an emergency hold.

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Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Well then charge her with felony murder and they can have the medical examiner testify at the trial as to when and how the poor woman may have died.

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Anonymous wrote:We need beefed up involuntary commitment in DC it's a travesty they tore down the old DC general site instead of turning it into a state of the art treatment center with ample beds.. There are so many people having mental breaks roaming the streets - and apparently the hospitals too. PIW, the only secure treatment facility, cannot handle them all. But they don't need to - because DC is loathe to commit and treat in the first place. This girl should have been brought to PIW and put in a secure space for evaluation. What a horrible horrible story of two different mothers and daughters. I have no words.

I love when clueless people post drivel like this. Where is the money and staff for these facilities going to come from? Do you realize it is a constant struggle to staff the facilities we already have? Who wants to be paid $40k/yr to sit one on one with a potentially violent criminal? Every day? Then get bit/spit on/assaulted? Not many, I can tell you that. The staff turnover in these facilities is ridiculous. I know. I work at one.

It’s really not about not wanting to commit them. We just don’t have the resources to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Wow. That was the fastest autopsy in the history of DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Wow. That was the fastest autopsy in the history of DC.

What, you don't think a 22 year old on crack can make an accurate medical assessment mid carjacking?

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Wow. That was the fastest autopsy in the history of DC.

What, you don't think a 22 year old on crack can make an accurate medical assessment mid carjacking?

Oh crap! That was my implicit bias shining though. I’m supposed to be working on recognizing and correcting it. All these trainings and it’s still happening. My bad. You are 100% right.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown’s attorney is saying that the older woman was already deceased when Brown entered the car. If that’s accurate, she’s at most guilty of auto theft.

Brown's attorney has said all sorts of things that make my head hurt. I realize the attorney is just doing her job, advocating - but our justice system is just miserable. No wonder the DC magistrates, judges, and prosecutors are all checked out. Miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.