Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad the old lady died but there’s still hope for a second chance for this young lady whose life was shattered by drugs.

55 is not old. Her life was cut short.

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Anonymous wrote:My life is worth so little in DC because I am not a criminal.

Never forget. A man kicked the sht out of daycare workers and exposed himself to toddlers and the Councilmember for the neighborhood breathlessly rushed to twitter to assure that he would be taken care of.

How come no one sues the city or leads protests? Law abiding citizens face abuse in DC. Not support, abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad the old lady died but there’s still hope for a second chance for this young lady whose life was shattered by drugs.

55 is not old. Her life was cut short.

And her daughter and other loved ones never got to say goodbye. Even if she was dying imagine the sheer horror of your ill mother being kidnapped in the ER parking lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad the old lady died but there’s still hope for a second chance for this young lady whose life was shattered by drugs.

55 is not old. Her life was cut short.

And her daughter and other loved ones never got to say goodbye. Even if she was dying imagine the sheer horror of your ill mother being kidnapped in the ER parking lot.

This is horrible. Had the Mayor commented? Who is the council member for that ward? Police chief? AG?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

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Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Baltimore, Chicago, Philly, NYC all would be likely to be prosecuting this case to the fullest, but not USA Graves in DC. Stand by, they may drop the remaining charge or plead it down further.

I’m sorry, you think our elected AG would do more? What about the state of juvenile crime in DC warrants that conclusion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My life is worth so little in DC because I am not a criminal.

Never forget. A man kicked the sht out of daycare workers and exposed himself to toddlers and the Councilmember for the neighborhood breathlessly rushed to twitter to assure that he would be taken care of.

Exactly. Posters here are simply out of step with what the electorate supports.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sad the old lady died but there’s still hope for a second chance for this young lady whose life was shattered by drugs.

55 is not old. Her life was cut short.

+1 wtf. I would never get to meet my grandkids or retire or accomplish my final feats in my career or reap the rewards of my hard work. I am 50 and I still run and lift weights, travel, have deep intellectual conversations, contribute to the world, make love, make art, and a million other things. What are the statistics for women like the perpetrator? My guess is she goes on to kill someone else before her run is over.

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The carjacker has not been released. She remains in jail while they consider a full mental competency evaluation for her.

https://wtop.com/dc/2024/06/woman-charged-in-dc-hospital-carjacking-denied-showers-in-jail-lawyer-says/

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Anonymous wrote:The carjacker has not been released. She remains in jail while they consider a full mental competency evaluation for her.

https://wtop.com/dc/2024/06/woman-charged-in-dc-hospital-carjacking-denied-showers-in-jail-lawyer-says/

How long does it take to decide to examine someone?

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Anonymous wrote:The carjacker has not been released. She remains in jail while they consider a full mental competency evaluation for her.

https://wtop.com/dc/2024/06/woman-charged-in-dc-hospital-carjacking-denied-showers-in-jail-lawyer-says/

How long does it take to decide to examine someone?

Since the 80s are laws have veered away from protecting the mentally ill from themselves, and protecting the public from the mentally ill. This needs to change. but for now, likely, 'a while'? ^

[Anonymous]

I thought the WaPo column about drugs was really strange. Like, I get that maybe she was taking illegal drugs and that made things worse but it also sounds like the classic tale of young adult onset mental illness, no?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the WaPo column about drugs was really strange. Like, I get that maybe she was taking illegal drugs and that made things worse but it also sounds like the classic tale of young adult onset mental illness, no?

+1. Wealthy people take drugs all the time and we don't lock them up. Where's the equity? /s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The carjacker has not been released. She remains in jail while they consider a full mental competency evaluation for her.

https://wtop.com/dc/2024/06/woman-charged-in-dc-hospital-carjacking-denied-showers-in-jail-lawyer-says/

How long does it take to decide to examine someone?

I think this is a court-ordered competency evaluation for the purposes of ascertaining whether she can stand trial. Since she is already in jail, the procedures to evaluate for an emergency committment don’t apply.

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Just build more prisons and start warehousing these people. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:The carjacker has not been released. She remains in jail while they consider a full mental competency evaluation for her.

https://wtop.com/dc/2024/06/woman-charged-in-dc-hospital-carjacking-denied-showers-in-jail-lawyer-says/

How long does it take to decide to examine someone?

Since the 80s are laws have veered away from protecting the mentally ill from themselves, and protecting the public from the mentally ill. This needs to change. but for now, likely, 'a while'? ^

No, this does not. Mentally ill people that are not dangerous to others can be given more leeway. Mentally ill people who are dangerous, have injured or killed others or who cannot control violent tendencies, need to be kept away from the general public. I have no problem with committing them to facilities instead of incarcerating them, but it is not right to let them out in the general public where they are a danger to others.