New Elon Jewish take

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Anonymous wrote:I am really confused by what White is. Is this color or concept? I always thought Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Persians, anyone from the Caucus mountains were white, just a dark shade of white. I am Jewish and I consider myself Caucasian. I have deep olive skin. People routinely speak Spanish to me. Is White a concept that puts us into oppressor/oppressed category? Is it bad to be White? Can someone explain it to me cause maybe I am not White.

Yes, according to the radical left, it is very bad to be white. That makes you an oppressor. It makes you rich, it makes you privileged, it makes any problems you might have inconsequential. If you're "white trash", you're ignorant and pathetic on top of all of that.

But this white/not white binary is distinctly American.

I am also an olive skinned Jew who people assume to be anything and everything, from Portuguese to Lebanese to Brazilian.
I suppose I am Caucasian, because I am not the other two traditional choices. But that is very outdated. I've never considered myself white, even when white was good. I've always ticked off the "other" box.

If you want to consider yourself white, that's fine. My dark brown Armenian friend considers himself white, even though he left France due to racism. I'm far paler than he is and do not. We joke about it. It's a bit complicated for us "other ethnics" with Caucasian features.
I just say I'm "off-white" and no one argues with me, probably because they don't want to be accused of some sort of micro-aggression.

Folks, this is not a serious person. They are making up nonsense.

Disagree. The nonsense is the tortured concept of "whiteness". The poster is merely pointing out its limitations.

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Anonymous wrote:I am really confused by what White is. Is this color or concept? I always thought Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Persians, anyone from the Caucus mountains were white, just a dark shade of white. I am Jewish and I consider myself Caucasian. I have deep olive skin. People routinely speak Spanish to me. Is White a concept that puts us into oppressor/oppressed category? Is it bad to be White? Can someone explain it to me cause maybe I am not White.

Yes, according to the radical left, it is very bad to be white. That makes you an oppressor. It makes you rich, it makes you privileged, it makes any problems you might have inconsequential. If you're "white trash", you're ignorant and pathetic on top of all of that.

But this white/not white binary is distinctly American.

I am also an olive skinned Jew who people assume to be anything and everything, from Portuguese to Lebanese to Brazilian.
I suppose I am Caucasian, because I am not the other two traditional choices. But that is very outdated. I've never considered myself white, even when white was good. I've always ticked off the "other" box.

If you want to consider yourself white, that's fine. My dark brown Armenian friend considers himself white, even though he left France due to racism. I'm far paler than he is and do not. We joke about it. It's a bit complicated for us "other ethnics" with Caucasian features.
I just say I'm "off-white" and no one argues with me, probably because they don't want to be accused of some sort of micro-aggression.

Folks, this is not a serious person. They are making up nonsense.

The NMAACH disagrees.

https://images.app.goo.gl/hwrzXTXKneGM9ERc8

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"appears to confirm"

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"appears to confirm"

Did you read the excerpts?

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"appears to confirm"

Now comment on Elon’s crying about free speech while he attempts to hinder free speech he doesn’t like. He’s basically saying free speech for those I approve of.

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

^ Me again - and I just happened to see this article today. So maybe this will help you understand why sometmes Jews try to "pass":

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2023-11-19/ty-article/.premium/as-antisemitism-spikes-in-france-some-jews-adopt-new-measures-to-hide-their-religion/0000018b-e73c-d867-abab-f7bc1d100000

[Anonymous]

"A sacred circle is drawn around those whom the progressive modern left are prepared to go into battle for, and it seems as if the Jews aren't in it. Why? Well, there are lots of answers. But the basic one, underpinning all others, is that Jews are the only objects of racism who are imagined -by the racists- as both low and high status. Jews are stereotyped, by the racists, in all the same ways that other minorities are -as lying, thieving, dirty, vile, stinking- but also as moneyed, privileged, powerful, and secretly in control of the world. Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity's secret masters. And it's this racist mythology that's in the air when the left pause before putting Jews into their sacred circle. Because all the people in the sacred circle are oppressed. And if you believe, even a little bit, that Jews are moneyed, privileged, powerful, and secretly in control of the world... well, you can't put them into the sacred circle of the oppressed. Some might even say they belong in the damned circle of the oppressors."

- David Baddiel, Jews Don't Count: How Identity Politics Failed One Particular Identity

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% on the side of Israel & Jewish people. I’m sickened by the protests in the US & around the world.

I am not Jewish but have Jewish relatives, all of whom leaned Left politically. I have told them for years that they are asking for trouble by aligning themselves with the Left. The Left exploits Jews just as they exploit blacks. They want your votes but don’t care about you. Communists will quickly turn on Jews. And as we have seen, American Democrats have a seething hatred for Jews.

Like it or not, the best friends the Jewish people and Israel have are American conservatives. I know it is a shock to many Jews to even think about that, but you have to get past your prior assumptions. It’s not the conservative or evangelical or Catholic students who are hassling Jewish students on college campuses & tearing down posters with hostages’ pictures on them. Actions speak louder than words.

That's just not true. Conservatives might support Israel - but they are not our friends on anything else.

Biden is doing a good job with Israel.

Great, keep your head buried in the sand. You are as gullible as a beaten wife who thinks her husband really loves her. Biden is a figurehead who pretends to back Israel but tells THEM to calm down & be careful of hurting civilians! Your own stubborn hubris will be your downfall. 100% of people chanting “From the river to the sea” voted Democrat. Yeah, side with them. Smart move.

Trump ate dinner with a Nazi and called the Charlottesville marchers very fine people.

My head isn't in the sand. And I don't have any words for you about Biden being a figurehead - he's not. And in fact I think he's the best president of my 50-year lifetime. I'm worried looking at the people on the far left - and even those who aren't - who do seem to be showing their true colors WRT how they feel about people like me. But they aren't in power. And gd willing they won't be.

Like I said, I'm glad the conservatives at least like Israel even if they hate lots of the rest of my family and are destructive to others of my interests. Israel isn't my ONLY interest as a Jew or as a person.

You show yourself to be an un-serious person if you still believe Trump called the Charlottesville Nazis fine people. Listen to the full clip. He said he was referring to people who didn’t want the statues harmed, NOT the Nazis. This has been explained millions of times. Strike one.

Biden’s not a figurehead? Strike two.

Your kid is being pushed around by Democrats on a college campus. Trump is happy that his favorite daughter married a Jew. You weigh these two truths & decide it’s the Democrats who really like Jews. Strike three!

Congratulations! You win the Self-Destructive Gullible Moron of the Year Award!

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Hatred against whites? What?

To me Jewish people ARE white.

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Anonymous wrote:"A sacred circle is drawn around those whom the progressive modern left are prepared to go into battle for, and it seems as if the Jews aren't in it. Why? Well, there are lots of answers. But the basic one, underpinning all others, is that Jews are the only objects of racism who are imagined -by the racists- as both low and high status. Jews are stereotyped, by the racists, in all the same ways that other minorities are -as lying, thieving, dirty, vile, stinking- but also as moneyed, privileged, powerful, and secretly in control of the world. Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity's secret masters. And it's this racist mythology that's in the air when the left pause before putting Jews into their sacred circle. Because all the people in the sacred circle are oppressed. And if you believe, even a little bit, that Jews are moneyed, privileged, powerful, and secretly in control of the world... well, you can't put them into the sacred circle of the oppressed. Some might even say they belong in the damned circle of the oppressors."

- David Baddiel, Jews Don't Count: How Identity Politics Failed One Particular Identity

You do know that David baddiel is a known anti-black racist, yes?

You might not know this because you aren’t from the UK but baddiel is the type of Jew to say “schvartze” left and right.

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Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So on the left we have people who hate Jews because they're white European colonizers trying to commit genocide against non-whites.

And on the right we have people who hate Jews because Jews hate white people and have been trying to replace them with non-whites.

It's nuts.

Jews are white people, many of whom pretend to be non-whites so they can join the anti-white pile-on. Many actual non-whites go along with the charade.

Well, clearly white supremacists don't think they're white, judging by the tweet and the conspiracy theory behind it.

But if you're on the younger side, I can confirm that Jews were absolutely not considered white until around twenty years ago, when being white became a bad thing. As you can see from the comment you responded to, Jews are whatever people deem to be a negative. Jews might might not have been considered "people of color" (that term is a relatively new one), but they were considered "other" than white.

Oh but don't you see - we're both white and not white, depending on who is looking. To the far left, we're white - which is why it was OK for Hamas to slaughter lots of Jews. Because they're white - and the slaughterers are brown. So it must be that the killers were justified. Israel, to them, is a white colonialist state - and so anything, literally anything, that the people they view as the colonized do to tear down the state is just fine.

Also, Jews can't possibly feel afraid or persecuted or attached as a group because we're just white.

But to the people who belong to the "Jews won't replace us" part of the anti-semitism movement - we're ethnic, but sneaky ethnic. We're trying to *pass* as white but we aren't white - and we must be stopped.

To be fair, this duality of whiteness is a thing Jews have embraced. Just take showbiz names for example: http://jewbellish.com/jewish-celebrities-change-gentile-names/

You can play both sides for a time, but eventually you end up on neither side. That's where we are now.

Why don't you ask yourself for one moment why it is that Jews have tried to assimilate at times - and at other times have felt not just the urge but the need to identify ourselves as Jewish. I'll give you a minute to think about it.

But there is the rub, Jews have never tried to assimilate. A better analogy would be to say they use camouflage. They want to remain Jewish while appearing "white" to outsiders. Maybe that was a smart play in the short term, but here we are now...

You really can't generalize like that. Of course some Jews have tried to assimilate. Others haven't. And members of both groups have a variety of motivations. Blanket statements in this sort of conversation are useless.

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You show yourself to be an un-serious person if you still believe Trump called the Charlottesville Nazis fine people. Listen to the full clip. He said he was referring to people who didn’t want the statues harmed, NOT the Nazis. This has been explained millions of times. Strike one.

Who has explained it millions of times? Certainly not Trump.

I remember in 2017, that I was still trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But Trump never clarified what he meant, or condemned the racists and Nazis at the march. At the time, Trump was tweeting relentlessly, and he has never been shy about giving his opinion. So he had plenty of opportunity to clarify his position.

That was when I concluded that Trump was winking to the racists in his base while saying things that could be parsed as non-racist if you squinted very carefully.

[Anonymous]

Italians used to be considered "colored" (that is, not white but not black). Irish Americans suffered horrifically because they were not white, either.
I think gradually both groups became more assimilated as the Catholic Church became more accepted (and Catholics became more numerous).
Jews, though...we're not fully accepted anywhere. Nikki Haley (of all people) described what it was like trying to fit in in the South as the child of immigrants from India, in a world of white and black. I could relate.
What makes it harder is that some antisemitism nowadays comes from people of color, so if we're not white, it's not ask if we can comfortably take refuge in the non-white community....