Dmv muslims, what do you think about what’s going on in Hamtramck

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

+1. Muslims and progressives are not natural allies, as Muslims voters - like all religious conservatives - oppose LGBTQ rights, abortion access, religious freedoms (except for themselves) and most key liberal views. In the UK, Muslim groups have led the way against COVID mandates, gay marriage, and teaching about sexuality in schools. I don't know why Dems don't learn. Religious conservatives are not our friends - no matter what country they come from

Off topic but good for them re: covid mandates

Again not sure what you are talking about here. Maybe in the UK? Muslims by large didn’t oppose Covid mandates in the US and in Muslim majority countries. Then again many Muslim majority countries were able to control the virus pretty well (as opposed to the US) and adopted masking early (again as opposed to Fauci who lied and told us that masks don’t matter in the beginning) so lockdowns were kept to a minimal. Iran is was an exception - because of crippling US sanctions they had no access to PPP and life saving medications. There was mismanagement on the part of the government as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

+1. Muslims and progressives are not natural allies, as Muslims voters - like all religious conservatives - oppose LGBTQ rights, abortion access, religious freedoms (except for themselves) and most key liberal views. In the UK, Muslim groups have led the way against COVID mandates, gay marriage, and teaching about sexuality in schools. I don't know why Dems don't learn. Religious conservatives are not our friends - no matter what country they come from

Don’t know about the UK but US Muslims certainly weren’t against Covid mandated and went anti vax. You are right about the other stuff though. By the way I’m not what you would consider religious conservative. I don’t cover my hair. Look pretty “western.” I supported gay marriage because hey to each their own. But I draw the line at this new promotion of trans ideology to our kids. So when you say “religious conservatives” aren’t your friends know that they may mean Muslims that don’t look like religious conservatives and aren’t religious. They just believe that sex is a binary - something that apparently throws you in the MAGA category these days.

I know many liberals who are not on board with the new trans ideology and I, personally, do not support biologically male athletes playing sports with biological females. That said religious conservatives, including many Muslims, do not support a woman's right to abortion, gay marriage, or respect our individual right to privacy. For this reason, I do not, and will likely never, support any religiously conservative candidates. Were I to find myself in Hamtramck or any other city that is now majority conservative, immigrant Muslim, I would absolutely move. Likewise, should I find myself in a small town in upstate NY that were taken over by a majority Hasidic council, I would freaking run. There's so much overlap between those communities and rural, Bible belt America. I stay far, far away

PP you are responding to here. Actually you would be surprised, Muslim voters are very varied on abortion. Also the individual right to privacy is built into Islamic law. For example adultery and premarital sex is a sin and illegal under Islamic law but only if there are four witnesses. There have been countless writings by Muslim jurists saying that the reason the four witnesses are required is because of Islam’s respect for privacy. The issue is always what if you know someone is having premarital sex but there are no witnesses (four witnesses or actual penetration). Well Muslim jurists would say that there is nothing you can do about it because the right to privacy is paramount. I am simplifying but it’s quite ingrained in Islamic law.

I personally support gay marriage and a woman’s right to choose. But the trans ideology and shoving this ideology down our throats is what is turning Muslims away from the Democratic Party. Democrats always supported a woman’s right to choose and gay marriage. But Muslims still voted democrat regardless. No one cared. But what is happening now is too much. Muslims have realized that democrats are trying to push their ideological beliefs in their kids heads and it’s just too much.

You are entitled of course to think and vote however you want but I really disagree that dems are forcing “trans ideology” down anyone’s throats, much less that it justifies supporting the Republican agenda.


As Jeff has noted, lots of times on this site people say “trans” when they mean “gay” I guess because it’s more acceptable to complain about trans visibility than gays. This is like when CAIR MD wrote an op ed for the Post saying they just want to opt out of sex ed when they really want an opt out anytime a gay character appears in a book.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

+1. Muslims and progressives are not natural allies, as Muslims voters - like all religious conservatives - oppose LGBTQ rights, abortion access, religious freedoms (except for themselves) and most key liberal views. In the UK, Muslim groups have led the way against COVID mandates, gay marriage, and teaching about sexuality in schools. I don't know why Dems don't learn. Religious conservatives are not our friends - no matter what country they come from

Don’t know about the UK but US Muslims certainly weren’t against Covid mandated and went anti vax. You are right about the other stuff though. By the way I’m not what you would consider religious conservative. I don’t cover my hair. Look pretty “western.” I supported gay marriage because hey to each their own. But I draw the line at this new promotion of trans ideology to our kids. So when you say “religious conservatives” aren’t your friends know that they may mean Muslims that don’t look like religious conservatives and aren’t religious. They just believe that sex is a binary - something that apparently throws you in the MAGA category these days.

I know many liberals who are not on board with the new trans ideology and I, personally, do not support biologically male athletes playing sports with biological females. That said religious conservatives, including many Muslims, do not support a woman's right to abortion, gay marriage, or respect our individual right to privacy. For this reason, I do not, and will likely never, support any religiously conservative candidates. Were I to find myself in Hamtramck or any other city that is now majority conservative, immigrant Muslim, I would absolutely move. Likewise, should I find myself in a small town in upstate NY that were taken over by a majority Hasidic council, I would freaking run. There's so much overlap between those communities and rural, Bible belt America. I stay far, far away

PP you are responding to here. Actually you would be surprised, Muslim voters are very varied on abortion. Also the individual right to privacy is built into Islamic law. For example adultery and premarital sex is a sin and illegal under Islamic law but only if there are four witnesses. There have been countless writings by Muslim jurists saying that the reason the four witnesses are required is because of Islam’s respect for privacy. The issue is always what if you know someone is having premarital sex but there are no witnesses (four witnesses or actual penetration). Well Muslim jurists would say that there is nothing you can do about it because the right to privacy is paramount. I am simplifying but it’s quite ingrained in Islamic law.

I personally support gay marriage and a woman’s right to choose. But the trans ideology and shoving this ideology down our throats is what is turning Muslims away from the Democratic Party. Democrats always supported a woman’s right to choose and gay marriage. But Muslims still voted democrat regardless. No one cared. But what is happening now is too much. Muslims have realized that democrats are trying to push their ideological beliefs in their kids heads and it’s just too much.

You are entitled of course to think and vote however you want but I really disagree that dems are forcing “trans ideology” down anyone’s throats, much less that it justifies supporting the Republican agenda.


As Jeff has noted, lots of times on this site people say “trans” when they mean “gay” I guess because it’s more acceptable to complain about trans visibility than gays. This is like when CAIR MD wrote an op ed for the Post saying they just want to opt out of sex ed when they really want an opt out anytime a gay character appears in a book.

They may mean both. Sure. But Muslims didn’t come out in droves to oppose gay marriage. The issue is the pushing of trans ideology in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

+1. Muslims and progressives are not natural allies, as Muslims voters - like all religious conservatives - oppose LGBTQ rights, abortion access, religious freedoms (except for themselves) and most key liberal views. In the UK, Muslim groups have led the way against COVID mandates, gay marriage, and teaching about sexuality in schools. I don't know why Dems don't learn. Religious conservatives are not our friends - no matter what country they come from

Don’t know about the UK but US Muslims certainly weren’t against Covid mandated and went anti vax. You are right about the other stuff though. By the way I’m not what you would consider religious conservative. I don’t cover my hair. Look pretty “western.” I supported gay marriage because hey to each their own. But I draw the line at this new promotion of trans ideology to our kids. So when you say “religious conservatives” aren’t your friends know that they may mean Muslims that don’t look like religious conservatives and aren’t religious. They just believe that sex is a binary - something that apparently throws you in the MAGA category these days.

I know many liberals who are not on board with the new trans ideology and I, personally, do not support biologically male athletes playing sports with biological females. That said religious conservatives, including many Muslims, do not support a woman's right to abortion, gay marriage, or respect our individual right to privacy. For this reason, I do not, and will likely never, support any religiously conservative candidates. Were I to find myself in Hamtramck or any other city that is now majority conservative, immigrant Muslim, I would absolutely move. Likewise, should I find myself in a small town in upstate NY that were taken over by a majority Hasidic council, I would freaking run. There's so much overlap between those communities and rural, Bible belt America. I stay far, far away

PP you are responding to here. Actually you would be surprised, Muslim voters are very varied on abortion. Also the individual right to privacy is built into Islamic law. For example adultery and premarital sex is a sin and illegal under Islamic law but only if there are four witnesses. There have been countless writings by Muslim jurists saying that the reason the four witnesses are required is because of Islam’s respect for privacy. The issue is always what if you know someone is having premarital sex but there are no witnesses (four witnesses or actual penetration). Well Muslim jurists would say that there is nothing you can do about it because the right to privacy is paramount. I am simplifying but it’s quite ingrained in Islamic law.

I personally support gay marriage and a woman’s right to choose. But the trans ideology and shoving this ideology down our throats is what is turning Muslims away from the Democratic Party. Democrats always supported a woman’s right to choose and gay marriage. But Muslims still voted democrat regardless. No one cared. But what is happening now is too much. Muslims have realized that democrats are trying to push their ideological beliefs in their kids heads and it’s just too much.

You are entitled of course to think and vote however you want but I really disagree that dems are forcing “trans ideology” down anyone’s throats, much less that it justifies supporting the Republican agenda.


As Jeff has noted, lots of times on this site people say “trans” when they mean “gay” I guess because it’s more acceptable to complain about trans visibility than gays. This is like when CAIR MD wrote an op ed for the Post saying they just want to opt out of sex ed when they really want an opt out anytime a gay character appears in a book.

This is what I’m trying to explain to you. Did you read the twitter thread that I posted. Opposing trans ideology is not support for a republican agenda. Muslims opposing it because they are simply against it. This may mean that they align with republicans on this issue but that’s just a coincidence. Also I know this may be too complicated for many simpletons, but many Muslim majority countries do allow for gender transitions. The difference between what they allow and what this new ideology preaches is that we still believe that there are two distinct biological sexes. Some people feel they are born the wrong sex, and after extensive psychological assessment are allowed by law and medically to transition to the opposite gender. However you don’t have anyone saying that sex isn’t a binary and you have multiple genders and pushing all this unscientific BS on kids. As a child growing up in a Muslim majority country I distinctly remembered a girl in my school who believed she was a boy. She went through an extensive psychological assessment (what we call today “watchful waiting”). As an adult she began hormone therapy and did surgery to transition to a man. Then his lawyer brought a case in court. He officially underwent a name change and was treated as a man. That being said he is considered a trans man. We all know that there is a biological difference between a trans man and a biological male. But socially he was treated as male. Iran is slightly more liberal than my country of origin when it comes to gender transitions but again they view sex as a strict binary. In that the assessment is slightly less rigorous. Unfortunately Iran’s relative liberalism (compared to my country), is related to its deep seated homophobia (of course homophobia is an issue in my country as well). A lot of trans ideology is arguably result of deep seated homophobia that’s why you gave movements such as LGB drop the T.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
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Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

I have no problem with Christian holidays. I happily will wish people a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. I have a problem with people pretending that Christmas is a secular holiday by saying “happy holidays” and telling me I should be scared of republicans because they will make America a christian country. Again I don’t vote republican so the we’ll show you doesn’t work with me.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

I have no problem with Christian holidays. I happily will wish people a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. I have a problem with people pretending that Christmas is a secular holiday by saying “happy holidays” and telling me I should be scared of republicans because they will make America a christian country. Again I don’t vote republican so the we’ll show you by doesn’t work with me.

No one wishes me a happy holiday on Columbus Day or Washington’s Birthday. They wish me a happy holiday on December 25th because it is Christmas. Which is fine. I like Christmas. I like hannakuh. I like the season. I enjoy the lights. But there is no need to pretend that America is a non-Christian country and I should be scared of anyone who is conservative. I have faith in the constitution and its ability to separate church from state. That’s all I need.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

I have no problem with Christian holidays. I happily will wish people a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. I have a problem with people pretending that Christmas is a secular holiday by saying “happy holidays” and telling me I should be scared of republicans because they will make America a christian country. Again I don’t vote republican so the we’ll show you by doesn’t work with me.

No one wishes me a happy holiday on Columbus Day or Washington’s Birthday. They wish me a happy holiday on December 25th because it is Christmas. Which is fine. I like Christmas. I like hannakuh. I like the season. I enjoy the lights. But there is no need to pretend that America is a non-Christian country and I should be scared of anyone who is conservative. I have faith in the constitution and its ability to separate church from state. That’s all I need.

Ruh-roh
Have you looked at SCOTUS lately?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

I have no problem with Christian holidays. I happily will wish people a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. I have a problem with people pretending that Christmas is a secular holiday by saying “happy holidays” and telling me I should be scared of republicans because they will make America a christian country. Again I don’t vote republican so the we’ll show you by doesn’t work with me.

No one wishes me a happy holiday on Columbus Day or Washington’s Birthday. They wish me a happy holiday on December 25th because it is Christmas. Which is fine. I like Christmas. I like hannakuh. I like the season. I enjoy the lights. But there is no need to pretend that America is a non-Christian country and I should be scared of anyone who is conservative. I have faith in the constitution and its ability to separate church from state. That’s all I need.

Ruh-roh
Have you looked at SCOTUS lately?

I’m really confused by what you want from me. Are you saying that I have to agree with trans ideology and support dems even if I simply cannot because of what I believe to be true? Are you threatening Muslims? Listen. If trans ideology is the hill that democrats want to die on that’s fine. Just don’t expect all of us to join you for the ride that’s all.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

I have no problem with Christian holidays. I happily will wish people a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. I have a problem with people pretending that Christmas is a secular holiday by saying “happy holidays” and telling me I should be scared of republicans because they will make America a christian country. Again I don’t vote republican so the we’ll show you by doesn’t work with me.

No one wishes me a happy holiday on Columbus Day or Washington’s Birthday. They wish me a happy holiday on December 25th because it is Christmas. Which is fine. I like Christmas. I like hannakuh. I like the season. I enjoy the lights. But there is no need to pretend that America is a non-Christian country and I should be scared of anyone who is conservative. I have faith in the constitution and its ability to separate church from state. That’s all I need.

Ruh-roh
Have you looked at SCOTUS lately?

I’m really confused by what you want from me. Are you saying that I have to agree with trans ideology and support dems even if I simply cannot because of what I believe to be true? Are you threatening Muslims? Listen. If trans ideology is the hill that democrats want to die on that’s fine. Just don’t expect all of us to join you for the ride that’s all.

Nobody's sayin' anything Jan, just keep on, keepin' on.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a slaughterhouse in Alexandria City. I think it’s inhumane and just invites issues.

Reenactment isn’t necessary

Oh and I am not sure where people get these ideas that conservative muslims are somehow liberals.

But factory farmed meat is somehow more humane.

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Sadly between the two the factory farm is more “humane” and yes humane in quotes bc neither are truly humane but the factory is the lesser of two bad options.

And Alexandria City is densely populated and there are no health standards and inspections. I have no doubt that as soon as there is some illness linked to this place that gets publicized people will be posting here who allowed? what were they thinking??

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
NP

Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

Muslims aren't responsible for kids having no school on Muslim holidays any more than Christians are responsible for kids having no school on Christmas. Even less so, given that Christmas is a federal holiday so schools have to close, unlike on Muslim holidays where it's up to the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tbis is a coincidence? The Republican Party is making a play for the Muslim vote in MI and VA.

This is what you don’t get. It’s not like republicans made Muslims conservative. It’s that Muslims and conservatives share similar values. Majority of Muslims voted democrat. But now that progressives are forcing their values on Muslims, Muslims feel threatened and are voting republican. The problem is with progressives shoving their values down down everyone’s throats. I am an economically liberal socially conservative muslim. I believe in Medicare for all, unions, breaking up monopolies, an anti-war, etc. I am pro choice and support gay marriage. But now that progressives are pushing their values on my kids in schools, I am no longer voting democrat (not going to vote for republicans either). Democrats only have themselves to blame.

What you don't get is that cooler heads would have told these Muslims that they can't just run roughshod over their neighbors who are not like them. The same grace that they wanted when they first arrived. That this is the hallmark of America. It is the louder voices these day who argue that they get to strike out at things that are not of their religion. That this behavior is even possible in a municipality.
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Your response has nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on how PP said that whatever is happening is no surprise because republicans are courting Muslims. It’s as if Muslims don’t have their own values and brains and are just following republicans. That’s simply not true. The reason that Muslims are voting republican is because of what progressives are doing and not because republicans are courting them.

Oh you mean the GOP that was so recently anti-Muslim has decided to give you a seat at the table because it serves their ends?

I suppose that is flattering to assume inclusion and finding that you have soooo much in common with them (conservative values etc.) Too bad Muslims are little voting blocks the GOP can use to brownish their agenda. Meanwhile, the backbone of their support comes from yhe Evangelicals for whom they will bend over backwards to support. And what do Evangelicals think of Muslims?
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/confronting-christian-islamophobia

You seem to be confused. No one likes the GOP. Muslims aren’t stupid and don’t need YOU to tell them how racist some republicans and evangelicals are. We experienced their racism and are under no illusions. The issue is progressives are pushing Muslims out of the Democratic Party by imposing their values on them. Muslims realize that they are part of a country where different people had different values. Even though Islam is against gay marriage for example you barely heard any opposition from the Muslim community. In fact many Muslims support gay marriage and the equality act with the rationale that we need to support the rights of other minorities because we are a minority. But now it’s gotten to the point where tolerance isn’t enough and progressive values are being forced upon us with no choice and forced on our kids. So yes as a result some Muslims have voted for the GOP as the lesser of the two evils.

It's a 2 party system. So it's one or the other. So for you GOP is the lesser evil?

And I don't know what to tell you?
Hamtramck is embedded in Detroit, nestled in Wayne Country and is firmly in Southeastern Michigan. So unless you are going to airlift your city to Macomb or Western Michigan, you are going to get more pushback regarding these actions than those who are out in rural Michigan.

We'll see what comes out of this.

I am PP. I live in DC not Michigan. I don’t vote GOP. I am simply explaining what’s happening in the Muslim community politically.

Also pre Bush, lots of Arabs and Muslims would vote GOP. The GOP was viewed as better on foreign policy and friendlier to small businesses. Things changed with 9/11. Seems like now there is a lot of movement again to the GOP. This isn’t just with Muslims but with minorities in general… Hispanics… Black men etc

Don't worry. Give any of the GOP leadership a hot mike and I'm sure that will give those minorities a bit of heartburn.

I don’t think you get it. Muslims went through 9/11 and are very aware of what the GOP is capable of and what they think of Muslims. They don’t need you to tell them and they don’t need the GOP to “reveal” themselves. They simply view the GOP as the lesser of two evils because they share the same conservative values. This is the fault of progressives who have decided to impose gender ideology on others.

What irony. Only a Republican mind could distort "allowing gender-affirming care as recommended by physicians" to "impose gender ideology on others."

Let me clear this up for you: if you're not trans, don't seek gender-affirming care. No one is "imposing" anything on you. If you're straight, be straight. If you're against abortion, don't have one.

But of course, in your mind, "not being able to force my social values on 100% of my fellow citizens" and "not being able to theoretically control everybody who disagrees with me" equals "being oppressed".

You are so partisan minded that you can’t even fathom that non-republicans don’t share your views. Yes, I do not want unscientific ideas on gender imposed on my children.

Got it.

So you're in for America being considered a Christian nation?

Because that's what's on the table.

The GOP leadership spoke in front of their premier event at the Faith & Freedom Coalition. They're pull is such that they can make even Trump change his stance.

Have they prioritized any similar events for Muslims? I really don't thinks so.

So if you are thinking they are going to leave your communities alone, because of past behavior, you don't seem to realize the virulence of the current GOP. Don't say you haven't been warned when it bites you on the behind.

So that’s what’s hilarious. Who are you kidding? America already treats this country as a Christian nation? You know when you come and greet us and say “Happy Holidays” because you want to pretend to be inclusive? Well guess what? We have no holidays in December because our holidays aren’t fixed. The White House lights up a Christmas tree. December 25th is a federal holiday. The constitution protects us from any excesses but don’t pretend that this isn’t a Christian nation. Again, we are under no illusions. Stop threatening us with BS because we don’t agree with your anti science ideology and leave our kids alone.

If you have a job, you get a holiday on December 25th. So, "Happy Holidays." I'll respect your tirade against Christian holidays more when you stop making my kid stay home from school for Muslim holidays.

Muslims aren't responsible for kids having no school on Muslim holidays any more than Christians are responsible for kids having no school on Christmas. Even less so, given that Christmas is a federal holiday so schools have to close, unlike on Muslim holidays where it's up to the school.

Are you claiming there was no Muslim lobby for the school holidays? Because I distinctly remember it in MoCo.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for Muslim holidays too, as well as Jewish holidays. But let’s not pretend nobody asked for it and that makes Muslim holidays good vs. the bad Christian holidays.

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WRT the court case in MOCO, I hope this will send the message to the Muslim community that there are no special exemptions for them.

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Muslims are actually a pro LBGTQ etc religion.

Back when formed there were issues with older men basically forcing themselves on young boys. So basically being a pedophile is prohibited.

You can be in a loving consensual gay relationship and be a good Muslim