Is Silver Spring under assault?

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MCPD had a graduation ceremony for new recruits. Only 29 new police officers on the force. The current shortage is around 200 last I checked.

No one wants to work for MCPD, where leadership (especially Jawando, and also Mink) demonize them, and every move is second-guessed. This is the smallest new class of recruits they've had in years.

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No one wants to work for MCPD, where leadership (especially Jawando, and also Mink) demonize them, and every move is second-guessed. This is the smallest new class of recruits they've had in years.

Police departments all over the US are having trouble hiring.

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MCPD had a graduation ceremony for new recruits. Only 29 new police officers on the force. The current shortage is around 200 last I checked.

No one wants to work for MCPD, where leadership (especially Jawando, and also Mink) demonize them, and every move is second-guessed. This is the smallest new class of recruits they've had in years.

Or maybe people don't want to join an organization where people do the following and don't get fired:

https://www.washlaw.org/montgomery-county/
https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/montgomery-county-police-officer-saying-n-word/65-f4d7777f-f723-45df-8c68-6439a12b9e3a
https://www.instagram.com/policestoriesmoco/?hl=en

Oh and there's the time MCPD stood by and watched as the Proud Boys physically assaulted a Councilmember: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/proud-boys-violent-drag-story-hour-says-montgomery-co-council-woman/65-89d562d0-59a0-4240-8748-fcc2ccf06730

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Anonymous wrote:It is scary. The Wheaton carjacking/ shooting suspect was chased on foot into my Kensington neighborhood today, but was caught within an hour, according to NBC4.

I used to be fine with going to the Wheaton Target, but this is I believe the eighth carjacking at the mall since December.

Yeah this one unnerved me- I was there, parked in the surface lot by Target/Costco, with my 4yo right around that time. We must have left right before it happened. Does the county government even recognize this as a problem? You should feel unsafe taking your kids shopping during the daylight hours, but this really makes me reconsider whether I should.

This story is terrifying. I used to go to that Target/Costco probably once a week and I always felt I was being smart about it because I was parking in the surface lot there and not the garage. For that to happen at 11:30 am on a Saturday is beyond brazen.

Very brazen. There was another attempted carjacking in the garage near Costco recently, and there was some subtle victim shaming on our neighborhood listserv and Nextdoor about how you should never use the parking garages. Well now apparently you shouldn’t park in the lot either! I’ve stopped taking my own kids to that Costco in part because they are distracting, my guard is absolutely down when I’m unloading the cart to my car. You need to be alert and I was lax for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:SS has been in decline since the 80s, except the 2000s real estate boom probably put a band aid on it.

The only thing declining since the 90’s is the murder rate

That may be true nationally, and it might even be true for Montgomery County, but residents of DTSS got together a few weeks ago to examine data and found violent crimes have genuinely surged in the area. Lack of police presence is a big part of it. Despite promises to increase the presence in DTSS, I've seen no evidence of it. I literally watched a woman in a big pickup truck drive THROUGH the farmer's market yesterday, moving two "gates" to avoid going around a single additional block, and cops were nowhere to be found.

MCPD is very understaffed and they are struggling to bring in new recruits, so officers will be hard to find right now. This is coming after a council push to limit police interactions with the public. (See council task force recommendations to reduce police in Wheaton and Silver Spring by 50%.) The tide seems to be turning away from the council’s strong anti-police sentiments of the last couple of years, but it is going to take time to get the department back to its former numbers.

The increased availability of guns is a big issue and there is no real strategy to address it besides apparently catching them randomly during traffic stops and putting out press releases about it. I don't have any faith that will reduce the am on it but of guns out there.

If you are concerned about guns, then speak out against Jawando and Mink’s current bill. MCPD finds guns on traffic stops, including the type of stops Mink and Jawando want to end. Is it enough? Of course not, especially with ghost guns flooding the area. But it’s something. Also look into stricter penalties for having guns. Police can arrest, but offenders are out almost immediately.

Addressing guns will take more officers, more support for officers, and more of a targeted effort from the council.

They need to do so many stops to catch a very small number of guns. No I don't think this is a good use of resources. This is a supply issue. You can lock up someone for having a gun, and get that one gun off the street. With the amount if guns out there the impact of this is minimal.

Whatever you think of these traffic stops, bills like this send the wrong message. Criminals clearly understand that moco is on their side, and I think that’s an accurate assessment.

This! And I don’t care if stops only get a small amount of guns off the streets. They are off the streets! I’m sure the people who would be harmed by those guns are grateful.

. Of course.you don't care since you are not getting stopped. I break traffic laws all the time and have never been stopped but friends who are fine drivers who have gotten stopped multiple times. Guess what the difference is?

Is their skin color the ONLY difference? Because if it's not, then the assumption that correlation is causation is false.

Are you all the same age?
Did you all drive the same car?
The same number of miles?
The same time of day?
The same days?
The same roads?
The same speed?

that's why men consist of 2/3 of all traffic stops. that's a disparity nobody seems to care about. do you think cops are targeting men? Or maybe there's something else going on there. For one, men drive a lot more miles than women do, so they are more at risk of being seen on the road by a police officer. And therefore more at risk for being pulled over. We won't even get into who speeds more often, who modifies their exhaust more often, who tints their windows more often....

Black people don't speed more often than White people

nobody is talking about speed enforcement being discriminatory. people care about low level violations like busted taillights.

White middle-aged female here who drives a basic car. I was pulled over on Rockville Pike near Grosvenor metro during morning rush hour for a cracked tail-light from someone who backed into my car in a parking lot (red plastic broken; light still worked). Office took my reg. and insurance back to his car; did not care that a new light component was ordered through my dealer and I was awaiting appointment. I was given a citation to return to the police station with proof of repair.

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Anonymous wrote:SS has been in decline since the 80s, except the 2000s real estate boom probably put a band aid on it.

The only thing declining since the 90’s is the murder rate

That may be true nationally, and it might even be true for Montgomery County, but residents of DTSS got together a few weeks ago to examine data and found violent crimes have genuinely surged in the area. Lack of police presence is a big part of it. Despite promises to increase the presence in DTSS, I've seen no evidence of it. I literally watched a woman in a big pickup truck drive THROUGH the farmer's market yesterday, moving two "gates" to avoid going around a single additional block, and cops were nowhere to be found.

MCPD is very understaffed and they are struggling to bring in new recruits, so officers will be hard to find right now. This is coming after a council push to limit police interactions with the public. (See council task force recommendations to reduce police in Wheaton and Silver Spring by 50%.) The tide seems to be turning away from the council’s strong anti-police sentiments of the last couple of years, but it is going to take time to get the department back to its former numbers.

The increased availability of guns is a big issue and there is no real strategy to address it besides apparently catching them randomly during traffic stops and putting out press releases about it. I don't have any faith that will reduce the am on it but of guns out there.

If you are concerned about guns, then speak out against Jawando and Mink’s current bill. MCPD finds guns on traffic stops, including the type of stops Mink and Jawando want to end. Is it enough? Of course not, especially with ghost guns flooding the area. But it’s something. Also look into stricter penalties for having guns. Police can arrest, but offenders are out almost immediately.

Addressing guns will take more officers, more support for officers, and more of a targeted effort from the council.

They need to do so many stops to catch a very small number of guns. No I don't think this is a good use of resources. This is a supply issue. You can lock up someone for having a gun, and get that one gun off the street. With the amount if guns out there the impact of this is minimal.

Whatever you think of these traffic stops, bills like this send the wrong message. Criminals clearly understand that moco is on their side, and I think that’s an accurate assessment.

This! And I don’t care if stops only get a small amount of guns off the streets. They are off the streets! I’m sure the people who would be harmed by those guns are grateful.

. Of course.you don't care since you are not getting stopped. I break traffic laws all the time and have never been stopped but friends who are fine drivers who have gotten stopped multiple times. Guess what the difference is?

Is their skin color the ONLY difference? Because if it's not, then the assumption that correlation is causation is false.

Are you all the same age?
Did you all drive the same car?
The same number of miles?
The same time of day?
The same days?
The same roads?
The same speed?

that's why men consist of 2/3 of all traffic stops. that's a disparity nobody seems to care about. do you think cops are targeting men? Or maybe there's something else going on there. For one, men drive a lot more miles than women do, so they are more at risk of being seen on the road by a police officer. And therefore more at risk for being pulled over. We won't even get into who speeds more often, who modifies their exhaust more often, who tints their windows more often....

Black people don't speed more often than White people

nobody is talking about speed enforcement being discriminatory. people care about low level violations like busted taillights.

White middle-aged female here who drives a basic car. I was pulled over on Rockville Pike near Grosvenor metro during morning rush hour for a cracked tail-light from someone who backed into my car in a parking lot (red plastic broken; light still worked). Office took my reg. and insurance back to his car; did not care that a new light component was ordered through my dealer and I was awaiting appointment. I was given a citation to return to the police station with proof of repair.

Oh my goodness, you have just proved racial discrimination in policing doesn't exist! Thank you so much!

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Anonymous wrote:SS has been in decline since the 80s, except the 2000s real estate boom probably put a band aid on it.

The only thing declining since the 90’s is the murder rate

That may be true nationally, and it might even be true for Montgomery County, but residents of DTSS got together a few weeks ago to examine data and found violent crimes have genuinely surged in the area. Lack of police presence is a big part of it. Despite promises to increase the presence in DTSS, I've seen no evidence of it. I literally watched a woman in a big pickup truck drive THROUGH the farmer's market yesterday, moving two "gates" to avoid going around a single additional block, and cops were nowhere to be found.

MCPD is very understaffed and they are struggling to bring in new recruits, so officers will be hard to find right now. This is coming after a council push to limit police interactions with the public. (See council task force recommendations to reduce police in Wheaton and Silver Spring by 50%.) The tide seems to be turning away from the council’s strong anti-police sentiments of the last couple of years, but it is going to take time to get the department back to its former numbers.

The increased availability of guns is a big issue and there is no real strategy to address it besides apparently catching them randomly during traffic stops and putting out press releases about it. I don't have any faith that will reduce the am on it but of guns out there.

If you are concerned about guns, then speak out against Jawando and Mink’s current bill. MCPD finds guns on traffic stops, including the type of stops Mink and Jawando want to end. Is it enough? Of course not, especially with ghost guns flooding the area. But it’s something. Also look into stricter penalties for having guns. Police can arrest, but offenders are out almost immediately.

Addressing guns will take more officers, more support for officers, and more of a targeted effort from the council.

They need to do so many stops to catch a very small number of guns. No I don't think this is a good use of resources. This is a supply issue. You can lock up someone for having a gun, and get that one gun off the street. With the amount if guns out there the impact of this is minimal.

Whatever you think of these traffic stops, bills like this send the wrong message. Criminals clearly understand that moco is on their side, and I think that’s an accurate assessment.

This! And I don’t care if stops only get a small amount of guns off the streets. They are off the streets! I’m sure the people who would be harmed by those guns are grateful.

. Of course.you don't care since you are not getting stopped. I break traffic laws all the time and have never been stopped but friends who are fine drivers who have gotten stopped multiple times. Guess what the difference is?

Is their skin color the ONLY difference? Because if it's not, then the assumption that correlation is causation is false.

Are you all the same age?
Did you all drive the same car?
The same number of miles?
The same time of day?
The same days?
The same roads?
The same speed?

that's why men consist of 2/3 of all traffic stops. that's a disparity nobody seems to care about. do you think cops are targeting men? Or maybe there's something else going on there. For one, men drive a lot more miles than women do, so they are more at risk of being seen on the road by a police officer. And therefore more at risk for being pulled over. We won't even get into who speeds more often, who modifies their exhaust more often, who tints their windows more often....

Black people don't speed more often than White people

nobody is talking about speed enforcement being discriminatory. people care about low level violations like busted taillights.

White middle-aged female here who drives a basic car. I was pulled over on Rockville Pike near Grosvenor metro during morning rush hour for a cracked tail-light from someone who backed into my car in a parking lot (red plastic broken; light still worked). Office took my reg. and insurance back to his car; did not care that a new light component was ordered through my dealer and I was awaiting appointment. I was given a citation to return to the police station with proof of repair.

Oh my goodness, you have just proved racial discrimination in policing doesn't exist! Thank you so much!

Nowhere did I say that, in re-reading my statement. Did you read that? If so, try again. I was merely providing 1 data point of someone who was stopped and does not meet the generalization provided.

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[twitter] https://twitter.com/mcpnews/status/1635343045477691392?s=21&t=8VVYDj52vZ8e6jCSSnSvfA[/twitter]

That was a troubling read. The crime spree ended with the car jacking, it wasn’t the only one, and it was not the only shooting.

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No one wants to work for MCPD, where leadership (especially Jawando, and also Mink) demonize them, and every move is second-guessed. This is the smallest new class of recruits they've had in years.

Police departments all over the US are having trouble hiring.

Probably because the current climate makes it clear that being a cop is bad and undesirable.

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Anonymous wrote:[twitter] https://twitter.com/mcpnews/status/1635343045477691392?s=21&t=8VVYDj52vZ8e6jCSSnSvfA[/twitter]

That was a troubling read. The crime spree ended with the car jacking, it wasn’t the only one, and it was not the only shooting.

and he just got out of prison too

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Anonymous wrote:SS has been in decline since the 80s, except the 2000s real estate boom probably put a band aid on it.

The only thing declining since the 90’s is the murder rate

That may be true nationally, and it might even be true for Montgomery County, but residents of DTSS got together a few weeks ago to examine data and found violent crimes have genuinely surged in the area. Lack of police presence is a big part of it. Despite promises to increase the presence in DTSS, I've seen no evidence of it. I literally watched a woman in a big pickup truck drive THROUGH the farmer's market yesterday, moving two "gates" to avoid going around a single additional block, and cops were nowhere to be found.

MCPD is very understaffed and they are struggling to bring in new recruits, so officers will be hard to find right now. This is coming after a council push to limit police interactions with the public. (See council task force recommendations to reduce police in Wheaton and Silver Spring by 50%.) The tide seems to be turning away from the council’s strong anti-police sentiments of the last couple of years, but it is going to take time to get the department back to its former numbers.

The increased availability of guns is a big issue and there is no real strategy to address it besides apparently catching them randomly during traffic stops and putting out press releases about it. I don't have any faith that will reduce the am on it but of guns out there.

If you are concerned about guns, then speak out against Jawando and Mink’s current bill. MCPD finds guns on traffic stops, including the type of stops Mink and Jawando want to end. Is it enough? Of course not, especially with ghost guns flooding the area. But it’s something. Also look into stricter penalties for having guns. Police can arrest, but offenders are out almost immediately.

Addressing guns will take more officers, more support for officers, and more of a targeted effort from the council.

They need to do so many stops to catch a very small number of guns. No I don't think this is a good use of resources. This is a supply issue. You can lock up someone for having a gun, and get that one gun off the street. With the amount if guns out there the impact of this is minimal.

Whatever you think of these traffic stops, bills like this send the wrong message. Criminals clearly understand that moco is on their side, and I think that’s an accurate assessment.

This! And I don’t care if stops only get a small amount of guns off the streets. They are off the streets! I’m sure the people who would be harmed by those guns are grateful.

. Of course.you don't care since you are not getting stopped. I break traffic laws all the time and have never been stopped but friends who are fine drivers who have gotten stopped multiple times. Guess what the difference is?

Is their skin color the ONLY difference? Because if it's not, then the assumption that correlation is causation is false.

Are you all the same age?
Did you all drive the same car?
The same number of miles?
The same time of day?
The same days?
The same roads?
The same speed?

that's why men consist of 2/3 of all traffic stops. that's a disparity nobody seems to care about. do you think cops are targeting men? Or maybe there's something else going on there. For one, men drive a lot more miles than women do, so they are more at risk of being seen on the road by a police officer. And therefore more at risk for being pulled over. We won't even get into who speeds more often, who modifies their exhaust more often, who tints their windows more often....

Black people don't speed more often than White people

nobody is talking about speed enforcement being discriminatory. people care about low level violations like busted taillights.

White middle-aged female here who drives a basic car. I was pulled over on Rockville Pike near Grosvenor metro during morning rush hour for a cracked tail-light from someone who backed into my car in a parking lot (red plastic broken; light still worked). Office took my reg. and insurance back to his car; did not care that a new light component was ordered through my dealer and I was awaiting appointment. I was given a citation to return to the police station with proof of repair.

Gotta even the statistics… thanks for your service.

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Anonymous wrote:[twitter] https://twitter.com/mcpnews/status/1635343045477691392?s=21&t=8VVYDj52vZ8e6jCSSnSvfA[/twitter]

That was a troubling read. The crime spree ended with the car jacking, it wasn’t the only one, and it was not the only shooting.

Holy cow.

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Anonymous wrote:SS has been in decline since the 80s, except the 2000s real estate boom probably put a band aid on it.

The only thing declining since the 90’s is the murder rate

That may be true nationally, and it might even be true for Montgomery County, but residents of DTSS got together a few weeks ago to examine data and found violent crimes have genuinely surged in the area. Lack of police presence is a big part of it. Despite promises to increase the presence in DTSS, I've seen no evidence of it. I literally watched a woman in a big pickup truck drive THROUGH the farmer's market yesterday, moving two "gates" to avoid going around a single additional block, and cops were nowhere to be found.

MCPD is very understaffed and they are struggling to bring in new recruits, so officers will be hard to find right now. This is coming after a council push to limit police interactions with the public. (See council task force recommendations to reduce police in Wheaton and Silver Spring by 50%.) The tide seems to be turning away from the council’s strong anti-police sentiments of the last couple of years, but it is going to take time to get the department back to its former numbers.

The increased availability of guns is a big issue and there is no real strategy to address it besides apparently catching them randomly during traffic stops and putting out press releases about it. I don't have any faith that will reduce the am on it but of guns out there.

If you are concerned about guns, then speak out against Jawando and Mink’s current bill. MCPD finds guns on traffic stops, including the type of stops Mink and Jawando want to end. Is it enough? Of course not, especially with ghost guns flooding the area. But it’s something. Also look into stricter penalties for having guns. Police can arrest, but offenders are out almost immediately.

Addressing guns will take more officers, more support for officers, and more of a targeted effort from the council.

They need to do so many stops to catch a very small number of guns. No I don't think this is a good use of resources. This is a supply issue. You can lock up someone for having a gun, and get that one gun off the street. With the amount if guns out there the impact of this is minimal.

Whatever you think of these traffic stops, bills like this send the wrong message. Criminals clearly understand that moco is on their side, and I think that’s an accurate assessment.

This! And I don’t care if stops only get a small amount of guns off the streets. They are off the streets! I’m sure the people who would be harmed by those guns are grateful.

. Of course.you don't care since you are not getting stopped. I break traffic laws all the time and have never been stopped but friends who are fine drivers who have gotten stopped multiple times. Guess what the difference is?

Is their skin color the ONLY difference? Because if it's not, then the assumption that correlation is causation is false.

Are you all the same age?
Did you all drive the same car?
The same number of miles?
The same time of day?
The same days?
The same roads?
The same speed?

that's why men consist of 2/3 of all traffic stops. that's a disparity nobody seems to care about. do you think cops are targeting men? Or maybe there's something else going on there. For one, men drive a lot more miles than women do, so they are more at risk of being seen on the road by a police officer. And therefore more at risk for being pulled over. We won't even get into who speeds more often, who modifies their exhaust more often, who tints their windows more often....

Black people don't speed more often than White people

nobody is talking about speed enforcement being discriminatory. people care about low level violations like busted taillights.

White middle-aged female here who drives a basic car. I was pulled over on Rockville Pike near Grosvenor metro during morning rush hour for a cracked tail-light from someone who backed into my car in a parking lot (red plastic broken; light still worked). Office took my reg. and insurance back to his car; did not care that a new light component was ordered through my dealer and I was awaiting appointment. I was given a citation to return to the police station with proof of repair.

Oh my goodness, you have just proved racial discrimination in policing doesn't exist! Thank you so much!

Nowhere did I say that, in re-reading my statement. Did you read that? If so, try again. I was merely providing 1 data point of someone who was stopped and does not meet the generalization provided.

There is actual data on traffic stops which clearly shows that yes, white women do get stopped and cited for broken tail lights, just not as often as other people. I'm not sure exactly what you think your anecdote adds to that.

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It should also be noted that the woman was shot in the face. These perps give zero craps about respect for life.

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Anonymous wrote:It should also be noted that the woman was shot in the face. These perps give zero craps about respect for life.

Yes, for those who did not click through, from the police dept.:

A Washington, D.C. man is in custody following multiple carjackings and shootings in D.C. and Montgomery County on Saturday, March 11, 2023. The suspect was apprehended by Montgomery County Police 4th District officers in Wheaton.

Through the course of the investigation, Major Crimes detectives learned that earlier in the day, 43-year-old Monteray Horn had boarded a Metro train in Anacostia, and armed with a handgun on the train, Horn shot at an adult male. The bullet went through the victim’s clothing but did not strike the victim.

When the train stopped, Horn left the Metro and carjacked a vehicle at gunpoint in Washington, D.C. He abandoned that vehicle and boarded the Metro train, riding it to the Wheaton Metro stop where, at approximately 11:06 a.m., he attempted to carjack an Audi at the Westfield Wheaton Mall.

Horn pointed the gun at an adult female with two young children and demanded the keys to the Audi. The woman was able to get her children out of the car and run away. Horn entered the Audi and although he had the key, he was not able to start the car.

Horn abandoned the Audi and detectives believe that he tried to carjack a second car, which is reported to be a small red Honda. The driver of that car was able to get away.

He tried to carjack a third car, a BMW, in the parking lot, but the driver sped away. Horn fired into the BMW, shooting out a window. The female driver was not injured.

Horn then approached a woman in a Hyundai Tucson and attempted to open the door of the Hyundai. The adult female was able to drive away without injury.

Horn ran across the parking lot where he tried to carjack a fifth vehicle on Ring Road. Horn, fired at the adult female, shooting her in the face. Unable to steal her Honda Civic, Horn ran away.

4th District officers tracked Horn to a residential area in the 2900 block of Faulkner Place. Horn attempted to force his way into a house by smashing a window with the butt of his gun. Officers arrived and Horn was taken into custody without incident at approximately 11:15 a.m.
A .40 caliber handgun was located at the scene.

The driver of the Honda was transported to an area hospital where she underwent surgery. She is listed in serious, but stable condition.

Detectives are asking for the driver of the second attempted carjacking or any other witnesses to contact the Major Crimes Division at 240-773-5070.

Horn was arrested and charged with multiple counts of carjacking, attempted second-degree murder, use of a firearm in the commission of a crime, felony possession of a gun, and home invasion. Horn had recently been released from a federal prison after serving 17-years for sexual assault of a child.