If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I can’t say the PP above you is in good faith— “Democrat Party” being a bit of a giveaway— but I will say as a woman I don’t feel the party shows up for us, but takes our votes for granted. I think the reason abortion wasn’t covered in the lame-duck is because it was such a great driver of turnout in the midterms the Democrats are counting on it for the general. It’s not a great feeling to be represented by a choice between “the party that will let you die of sepsis” and “the party that will let you die of sepsis for two years because it increases their chances of remaining in power”.

Women deserve better.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I can’t say the PP above you is in good faith— “Democrat Party” being a bit of a giveaway— but I will say as a woman I don’t feel the party shows up for us, but takes our votes for granted. I think the reason abortion wasn’t covered in the lame-duck is because it was such a great driver of turnout in the midterms the Democrats are counting on it for the general. It’s not a great feeling to be represented by a choice between “the party that will let you die of sepsis” and “the party that will let you die of sepsis for two years because it increases their chances of remaining in power”.

Women deserve better.

Abortion wasn’t covered in the lame duck was because Manchin and Sinema love to hide behind an arcane procedural rule.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a lifelong, Occupy Wall Street type Democrat. By pre-2016 standards, I’m ultra, ultra liberal. Nonetheless, I’d definitely take a good look at any non-Trump Republican in 2024. We have two highly problematic, anti-American parties each of whom has taken terrible positions on different social issues. Ds are crazy on gender ideology. Rs are crazy on abortion. Neither party deserves any trust or loyalty.

Please, I'd love you to explain how some Democrats' feelings about gender are in any way parallel to Republicans literally banning abortion. I guess I missed the law that makes all kids have to transition, or something.

No longer content to pose as “MoDeRaTe DeMs,” republicans here have decided to go whole hog and pretend to be “Occupy Wall Street” types. Basically: ignore them.

Uh yeah. I'm a moderate Dem and absolutely loathed the whole occupy wall street types. I voted for Hogan in his last election and Moore in the latest. My wife and I would love a moderate Republican to come along that could tame the crazies. Hogan was fine and kept the worst tendencies of the Democratic legislature in check. If we had a Republican like Charlie Baker or perhaps Phil Scott, I imagine I'd carefully consider them. What's the commonality here? It's a Republican elected in a very blue state.

The problem is what positions do they take to tame the worst elements of the Republican Party? We don't need more tax cuts. We don't need massive deregulation. We don't need more defense spending. We need to protect abortion rights as well as the rights of minorities.

I'd love a functioning Republican Party that negotiated in good faith, was willing to compromise, and recognized that when they lose, Democrats are legitimate governing party. Unfortunately, every election cycle just tosses out whoever was most moderate in the primaries. If you want a moderate Republican (i.e., your Reagan Democrat in 80s), look to the Democratic Party. They need to fix gerrymandering and/or penalize the extremists. Unfortunately, until there are consistent consequences for elected Republican officials, I don't see things changing.

Sorry, did I hear you right - you're looking for a Republican who's going to protect abortion rights?

This sounds like you're looking at an ice cream shop on one side, and a restaurant that serves dog diarrhea on the other, and you're just wishing the dog diarrhea restaurant would serve you some ice cream wondering why you can't get dessert.

We're right here. You're looking for a Democrat. Vote for moderate Democrats. That is who will give you what you want. Republicans are simply just not equipped to do anything serious.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I can’t say the PP above you is in good faith— “Democrat Party” being a bit of a giveaway— but I will say as a woman I don’t feel the party shows up for us, but takes our votes for granted. I think the reason abortion wasn’t covered in the lame-duck is because it was such a great driver of turnout in the midterms the Democrats are counting on it for the general. It’s not a great feeling to be represented by a choice between “the party that will let you die of sepsis” and “the party that will let you die of sepsis for two years because it increases their chances of remaining in power”.

Women deserve better.

Abortion wasn’t covered in the lame duck because the Democrats don’t have 60 senators.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a lifelong, Occupy Wall Street type Democrat. By pre-2016 standards, I’m ultra, ultra liberal. Nonetheless, I’d definitely take a good look at any non-Trump Republican in 2024. We have two highly problematic, anti-American parties each of whom has taken terrible positions on different social issues. Ds are crazy on gender ideology. Rs are crazy on abortion. Neither party deserves any trust or loyalty.

Please, I'd love you to explain how some Democrats' feelings about gender are in any way parallel to Republicans literally banning abortion. I guess I missed the law that makes all kids have to transition, or something.

No longer content to pose as “MoDeRaTe DeMs,” republicans here have decided to go whole hog and pretend to be “Occupy Wall Street” types. Basically: ignore them.

Uh yeah. I'm a moderate Dem and absolutely loathed the whole occupy wall street types. I voted for Hogan in his last election and Moore in the latest. My wife and I would love a moderate Republican to come along that could tame the crazies. Hogan was fine and kept the worst tendencies of the Democratic legislature in check. If we had a Republican like Charlie Baker or perhaps Phil Scott, I imagine I'd carefully consider them. What's the commonality here? It's a Republican elected in a very blue state.

The problem is what positions do they take to tame the worst elements of the Republican Party? We don't need more tax cuts. We don't need massive deregulation. We don't need more defense spending. We need to protect abortion rights as well as the rights of minorities.

I'd love a functioning Republican Party that negotiated in good faith, was willing to compromise, and recognized that when they lose, Democrats are legitimate governing party. Unfortunately, every election cycle just tosses out whoever was most moderate in the primaries. If you want a moderate Republican (i.e., your Reagan Democrat in 80s), look to the Democratic Party. They need to fix gerrymandering and/or penalize the extremists. Unfortunately, until there are consistent consequences for elected Republican officials, I don't see things changing.

Also, just for recollection - OWS was a decade ago. I remember because I covered it as a journalist then. I don't even hear echoes of OWS today, let alone feeling as if it got started and took over forever.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a progressive Democrat and if it meant a guarantee that the MAGA phenomenon was dead and buried for good, I'd absolutely put up with four years of moderate Republican government.

Of course, the problem is how do you define "moderate?" Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis ain't it - Hell, DeSantis is an outright fascist. Romney? Sure.

Haley is quite moderate, another Mitt Romney who will pretend to be conservative. She is part of the neocon warmonger crowd. The only difference is she pretended to be with Trump and the NeverTrumpers pretended to be against her.

I don't see her as "quite moderate" - I see her as an untrustworthy flip flopper who says MAGA stuff and flirts with MAGA often enough that like heck I would trust her in office.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I am also a mODerAte DeMOcraT

But seriously if you really think that banning abortion is equivalent to not liking the vibe of some Dems, then you really lack critical thinking skills, Ms mODerAte

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I can’t say the PP above you is in good faith— “Democrat Party” being a bit of a giveaway— but I will say as a woman I don’t feel the party shows up for us, but takes our votes for granted. I think the reason abortion wasn’t covered in the lame-duck is because it was such a great driver of turnout in the midterms the Democrats are counting on it for the general. It’s not a great feeling to be represented by a choice between “the party that will let you die of sepsis” and “the party that will let you die of sepsis for two years because it increases their chances of remaining in power”.

Women deserve better.

It also wouldn't pass without breaking the filibuster. So...

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I can’t say the PP above you is in good faith— “Democrat Party” being a bit of a giveaway— but I will say as a woman I don’t feel the party shows up for us, but takes our votes for granted. I think the reason abortion wasn’t covered in the lame-duck is because it was such a great driver of turnout in the midterms the Democrats are counting on it for the general. It’s not a great feeling to be represented by a choice between “the party that will let you die of sepsis” and “the party that will let you die of sepsis for two years because it increases their chances of remaining in power”.

Women deserve better.

Abortion wasn’t covered in the lame duck was because Manchin and Sinema love to hide behind an arcane procedural rule.

+1

Don’t blame the Democrats. Blame the actually misogynist Republicans who couldn’t be bothered to cross the aisle to protect women’s rights. Stop faulting the party that actually does care about women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a lifelong, Occupy Wall Street type Democrat. By pre-2016 standards, I’m ultra, ultra liberal. Nonetheless, I’d definitely take a good look at any non-Trump Republican in 2024. We have two highly problematic, anti-American parties each of whom has taken terrible positions on different social issues. Ds are crazy on gender ideology. Rs are crazy on abortion. Neither party deserves any trust or loyalty.

Please, I'd love you to explain how some Democrats' feelings about gender are in any way parallel to Republicans literally banning abortion. I guess I missed the law that makes all kids have to transition, or something.

No longer content to pose as “MoDeRaTe DeMs,” republicans here have decided to go whole hog and pretend to be “Occupy Wall Street” types. Basically: ignore them.

Uh yeah. I'm a moderate Dem and absolutely loathed the whole occupy wall street types. I voted for Hogan in his last election and Moore in the latest. My wife and I would love a moderate Republican to come along that could tame the crazies. Hogan was fine and kept the worst tendencies of the Democratic legislature in check. If we had a Republican like Charlie Baker or perhaps Phil Scott, I imagine I'd carefully consider them. What's the commonality here? It's a Republican elected in a very blue state.

The problem is what positions do they take to tame the worst elements of the Republican Party? We don't need more tax cuts. We don't need massive deregulation. We don't need more defense spending. We need to protect abortion rights as well as the rights of minorities.

I'd love a functioning Republican Party that negotiated in good faith, was willing to compromise, and recognized that when they lose, Democrats are legitimate governing party. Unfortunately, every election cycle just tosses out whoever was most moderate in the primaries. If you want a moderate Republican (i.e., your Reagan Democrat in 80s), look to the Democratic Party. They need to fix gerrymandering and/or penalize the extremists. Unfortunately, until there are consistent consequences for elected Republican officials, I don't see things changing.

Also, just for recollection - OWS was a decade ago. I remember because I covered it as a journalist then. I don't even hear echoes of OWS today, let alone feeling as if it got started and took over forever.

The OWS people I know voted for Bernie and then for Trump. They’re not generally moderate Democrats IME.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a lifelong, Occupy Wall Street type Democrat. By pre-2016 standards, I’m ultra, ultra liberal. Nonetheless, I’d definitely take a good look at any non-Trump Republican in 2024. We have two highly problematic, anti-American parties each of whom has taken terrible positions on different social issues. Ds are crazy on gender ideology. Rs are crazy on abortion. Neither party deserves any trust or loyalty.

Please, I'd love you to explain how some Democrats' feelings about gender are in any way parallel to Republicans literally banning abortion. I guess I missed the law that makes all kids have to transition, or something.

No longer content to pose as “MoDeRaTe DeMs,” republicans here have decided to go whole hog and pretend to be “Occupy Wall Street” types. Basically: ignore them.

Uh yeah. I'm a moderate Dem and absolutely loathed the whole occupy wall street types. I voted for Hogan in his last election and Moore in the latest. My wife and I would love a moderate Republican to come along that could tame the crazies. Hogan was fine and kept the worst tendencies of the Democratic legislature in check. If we had a Republican like Charlie Baker or perhaps Phil Scott, I imagine I'd carefully consider them. What's the commonality here? It's a Republican elected in a very blue state.

The problem is what positions do they take to tame the worst elements of the Republican Party? We don't need more tax cuts. We don't need massive deregulation. We don't need more defense spending. We need to protect abortion rights as well as the rights of minorities.

I'd love a functioning Republican Party that negotiated in good faith, was willing to compromise, and recognized that when they lose, Democrats are legitimate governing party. Unfortunately, every election cycle just tosses out whoever was most moderate in the primaries. If you want a moderate Republican (i.e., your Reagan Democrat in 80s), look to the Democratic Party. They need to fix gerrymandering and/or penalize the extremists. Unfortunately, until there are consistent consequences for elected Republican officials, I don't see things changing.

Also, just for recollection - OWS was a decade ago. I remember because I covered it as a journalist then. I don't even hear echoes of OWS today, let alone feeling as if it got started and took over forever.

The OWS people I know voted for Bernie and then for Trump. They’re not generally moderate Democrats IME.

I can totally see OWS people voting for Bernie, but any OWS people who actually voted for Trump are IMHO unhinged and have completely lost the plot.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a lifelong, Occupy Wall Street type Democrat. By pre-2016 standards, I’m ultra, ultra liberal. Nonetheless, I’d definitely take a good look at any non-Trump Republican in 2024. We have two highly problematic, anti-American parties each of whom has taken terrible positions on different social issues. Ds are crazy on gender ideology. Rs are crazy on abortion. Neither party deserves any trust or loyalty.

Please, I'd love you to explain how some Democrats' feelings about gender are in any way parallel to Republicans literally banning abortion. I guess I missed the law that makes all kids have to transition, or something.

No longer content to pose as “MoDeRaTe DeMs,” republicans here have decided to go whole hog and pretend to be “Occupy Wall Street” types. Basically: ignore them.

Uh yeah. I'm a moderate Dem and absolutely loathed the whole occupy wall street types. I voted for Hogan in his last election and Moore in the latest. My wife and I would love a moderate Republican to come along that could tame the crazies. Hogan was fine and kept the worst tendencies of the Democratic legislature in check. If we had a Republican like Charlie Baker or perhaps Phil Scott, I imagine I'd carefully consider them. What's the commonality here? It's a Republican elected in a very blue state.

The problem is what positions do they take to tame the worst elements of the Republican Party? We don't need more tax cuts. We don't need massive deregulation. We don't need more defense spending. We need to protect abortion rights as well as the rights of minorities.

I'd love a functioning Republican Party that negotiated in good faith, was willing to compromise, and recognized that when they lose, Democrats are legitimate governing party. Unfortunately, every election cycle just tosses out whoever was most moderate in the primaries. If you want a moderate Republican (i.e., your Reagan Democrat in 80s), look to the Democratic Party. They need to fix gerrymandering and/or penalize the extremists. Unfortunately, until there are consistent consequences for elected Republican officials, I don't see things changing.

Also, just for recollection - OWS was a decade ago. I remember because I covered it as a journalist then. I don't even hear echoes of OWS today, let alone feeling as if it got started and took over forever.

The OWS people I know voted for Bernie and then for Trump. They’re not generally moderate Democrats IME.

I can totally see OWS people voting for Bernie, but any OWS people who actually voted for Trump are IMHO unhinged and have completely lost the plot.

Dp- yes and no. They wanted to burn it all down. Well nothing says the system should be destroyed quite like voting for Donald Trump.
Stupid? Sure. But I think people who were just voting for “change” in 2016 definitely gravitated to Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a moderate Democrat who has voted Republican in the past, though not since the insane, Trumpist end of the party took power. I’d vote for a reasonable Republican but I don’t think there are any on the national scale now. De Santis seems too fascist to me.

I feel increasingly alienated from the Democrat party as well because of their wholesale embrace of misogyny. I expected that from Republicans but it hurts more from Democrats. I can’t vote Republican so long as their extremist, anti-choice wing remains in control, but I may just start sitting out of elections entirely depending on who is running.

I am also a mODerAte DeMOcraT

But seriously if you really think that banning abortion is equivalent to not liking the vibe of some Dems, then you really lack critical thinking skills, Ms mODerAte

You can’t gaslight me any more, my partisan friend. I just don’t buy what you are selling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a lifelong, Occupy Wall Street type Democrat. By pre-2016 standards, I’m ultra, ultra liberal. Nonetheless, I’d definitely take a good look at any non-Trump Republican in 2024. We have two highly problematic, anti-American parties each of whom has taken terrible positions on different social issues. Ds are crazy on gender ideology. Rs are crazy on abortion. Neither party deserves any trust or loyalty.

Please, I'd love you to explain how some Democrats' feelings about gender are in any way parallel to Republicans literally banning abortion. I guess I missed the law that makes all kids have to transition, or something.

No longer content to pose as “MoDeRaTe DeMs,” republicans here have decided to go whole hog and pretend to be “Occupy Wall Street” types. Basically: ignore them.

Uh yeah. I'm a moderate Dem and absolutely loathed the whole occupy wall street types. I voted for Hogan in his last election and Moore in the latest. My wife and I would love a moderate Republican to come along that could tame the crazies. Hogan was fine and kept the worst tendencies of the Democratic legislature in check. If we had a Republican like Charlie Baker or perhaps Phil Scott, I imagine I'd carefully consider them. What's the commonality here? It's a Republican elected in a very blue state.

The problem is what positions do they take to tame the worst elements of the Republican Party? We don't need more tax cuts. We don't need massive deregulation. We don't need more defense spending. We need to protect abortion rights as well as the rights of minorities.

I'd love a functioning Republican Party that negotiated in good faith, was willing to compromise, and recognized that when they lose, Democrats are legitimate governing party. Unfortunately, every election cycle just tosses out whoever was most moderate in the primaries. If you want a moderate Republican (i.e., your Reagan Democrat in 80s), look to the Democratic Party. They need to fix gerrymandering and/or penalize the extremists. Unfortunately, until there are consistent consequences for elected Republican officials, I don't see things changing.

Also, just for recollection - OWS was a decade ago. I remember because I covered it as a journalist then. I don't even hear echoes of OWS today, let alone feeling as if it got started and took over forever.

The OWS people I know voted for Bernie and then for Trump. They’re not generally moderate Democrats IME.

I can totally see OWS people voting for Bernie, but any OWS people who actually voted for Trump are IMHO unhinged and have completely lost the plot.

There is overlap at the far left and the far right.