Apple river tubing killing

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Anonymous wrote:Mui is a religious nut, gun-toating, Trump-loving lunatic. I think when more details about this come out he will not come out looking innocent. As someone has pointed out before, he should have walked away.

Not surprising at all. Even Fox News is putting him on blast....

The posts of Nicolae Miu, 52, a mechanical engineer from Prior Lake, Minnesota, largely consist of memes that reflect a love of guns and belief in self-defense, conservative political views, deeply held religious beliefs as well as a love for animals and boating.

https://www.fox9.com/news/apple-river-stabbing-suspect-who-is-nicolae-miu

Wow, what horrible traits. Religion, loves animals and boating, believes people should be able to protect themselves, believes in constitutional rights.

I was thinking his horrible trait was more like gutting people and murdering them, but hey, think what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

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I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

A taunting drunk group that was getting physical.

He wasn't there alone. He could have gone back to his group if he felt he was in danger.

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

From what I read, they falsely accused him and he was being shoved back into the water. Why didn't the group move away?

Falsely accusing someone/insulting them is certainly rude. Shoving people is certainly not OK. But last time I checked, those weren't justifiable reasons to murder one person and injure four others so seriously that all had to go to the hospital, and two had to be ***airlifted*** there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

You mean if that was my teenage son attacking and pushing a man in his 50s into the water, and got stabbed as a result? Of course I’d be devastated. But not because he didn’t have what was coming to him! I’d be devestated that I raised a murderer. Because that’s what they were trying to do to this man.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm saying we need to wait for the facts to get sorted out. For example, can you cite evidence the kids were drunk? The first group were teen agers.

This man's reputation is being smeared across news outlets, and hes being held on a million dollar bond,based on the word ofvdrunk individuals and teens. He may be guilty as charged, but it doesn't seem as if anyone is waiting for facts.

His reputation is being "smeared" because he stabbed a 17yo to death and sent four others to the hospital. A few defensive knife hits to scare them off and show them he wouldn't be harmed by them is one thing. Gutting them, literally gutting them, is quite another.

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

A taunting drunk group that was getting physical.

He wasn't there alone. He could have gone back to his group if he felt he was in danger.

Not if he was being repeatedly pushed back into the water. The video reportedly shows that a young man in a yellow bathing suit pushed the man down into the water twice before being stabbed.

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

From what I read, they falsely accused him and he was being shoved back into the water. Why didn't the group move away?

Falsely accusing someone/insulting them is certainly rude. Shoving people is certainly not OK. But last time I checked, those weren't justifiable reasons to murder one person and injure four others so seriously that all had to go to the hospital, and two had to be ***airlifted*** there.

Shoving someone repeatedly down into the water is attempted murder.

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Even though the 52 year old is reported to weigh 250 pounds, it is a pot-bellied, fairly flabby, out-of-shape 250 pounds.

Hopefully, there is audio tape to accompany the video tape. What if the group was shouting "child molester" at the man while he was being pushed back down into the water and, seemingly,not being allowed to leave ?

I keep wondering who really instigated and escalated and continued to escalate this encounter. Sure does not appear that the 17 year old and the others in their twenties were afraid or willing to walk away.

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

From what I read, they falsely accused him and he was being shoved back into the water. Why didn't the group move away?

Falsely accusing someone/insulting them is certainly rude. Shoving people is certainly not OK. But last time I checked, those weren't justifiable reasons to murder one person and injure four others so seriously that all had to go to the hospital, and two had to be ***airlifted*** there.

Shoving someone repeatedly down into the water is attempted murder.

See you back here on sentencing day with a big smile!

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Anonymous wrote:Even though the 52 year old is reported to weigh 250 pounds, it is a pot-bellied, fairly flabby, out-of-shape 250 pounds.

Hopefully, there is audio tape to accompany the video tape. What if the group was shouting "child molester" at the man while he was being pushed back down into the water and, seemingly,not being allowed to leave ?

I keep wondering who really instigated and escalated and continued to escalate this encounter. Sure does not appear that the 17 year old and the others in their twenties were afraid or willing to walk away.

Reports issued *by the police* say that the video shows he had ample time to leave, and several windows of time to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even though the 52 year old is reported to weigh 250 pounds, it is a pot-bellied, fairly flabby, out-of-shape 250 pounds.

Hopefully, there is audio tape to accompany the video tape. What if the group was shouting "child molester" at the man while he was being pushed back down into the water and, seemingly,not being allowed to leave ?

I keep wondering who really instigated and escalated and continued to escalate this encounter. Sure does not appear that the 17 year old and the others in their twenties were afraid or willing to walk away.

+1 What basis did they have for calling him a child molester and shoving him back into the water? Mob rule is very scary. I'd be afraid I was going to be drowned by a group of false, drunken accusers.

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

From what I read, they falsely accused him and he was being shoved back into the water. Why didn't the group move away?

Falsely accusing someone/insulting them is certainly rude. Shoving people is certainly not OK. But last time I checked, those weren't justifiable reasons to murder one person and injure four others so seriously that all had to go to the hospital, and two had to be ***airlifted*** there.

Shoving someone repeatedly down into the water is attempted murder.

See you back here on sentencing day with a big smile!

Some people agree with letting teens harrass and murder others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even though the 52 year old is reported to weigh 250 pounds, it is a pot-bellied, fairly flabby, out-of-shape 250 pounds.

Hopefully, there is audio tape to accompany the video tape. What if the group was shouting "child molester" at the man while he was being pushed back down into the water and, seemingly,not being allowed to leave ?

I keep wondering who really instigated and escalated and continued to escalate this encounter. Sure does not appear that the 17 year old and the others in their twenties were afraid or willing to walk away.

Reports issued *by the police* say that the video shows he had ample time to leave, and several windows of time to do so.

At what point did the man have an opportunity to leave ? Was he under any duty to leave ?

[Anonymous]

What an awful and tragic story. I went tubing on the Apple River about 25 years ago in my early 20s. It was an out-of-control, volatile scene with too many drunk people even then. My husband (then boyfriend) witnessed a domestic violence incident and intervened to tried to help the woman. It was awful.

[Anonymous]

https://www.fox9.com/news/apple-river-stabbing-suspect-who-is-nicolae-miu

This guy is a gun toting Trumper. Whatever sympathy I had for him is lost.