Definitive Top 25 list

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Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


This is undergraduate ranking

You refuse to answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Is it test scores? It's definitely not acceptance rate. Is it alumni respect? Wall Street placement? What is it? I'll tell you now Emory performs just as well or better on all these metrics.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


There is no valid "top 25" list that doesn't include Michigan.


Who do you cut from this list to allow Michigan?

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU
Michigan is there. All the top schools are here except Berkeley and UVA. You can argue UVA is tier two with UNC Gatech etc.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


There is no valid "top 25" list that doesn't include Michigan.


Who do you cut from this list to allow Michigan?

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU
Michigan is there. All the top schools are here except Berkeley and UVA. You can argue UVA is tier two with UNC Gatech etc.


Replace NYU with Berkeley. USC is still too high.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


There is no valid "top 25" list that doesn't include Michigan.


Who do you cut from this list to allow Michigan?

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU
Michigan is there. All the top schools are here except Berkeley and UVA. You can argue UVA is tier two with UNC Gatech etc.


Replace NYU with Berkeley. USC is still too high.


Duke is too high as well.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


There is no valid "top 25" list that doesn't include Michigan.


Who do you cut from this list to allow Michigan?

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU
Michigan is there. All the top schools are here except Berkeley and UVA. You can argue UVA is tier two with UNC Gatech etc.


Replace NYU with Berkeley. USC is still too high.


Duke is too high as well.


It's pretty funny how serious people get about trying to distinguish between a bunch of schools that are all excellent. As if there could possibly be a 'definitive' list.
Anonymous
Schools that make the top 25 on both USnews and WSJ should be ranked higher on the combined list. That means Emory should be higher than ND as Emory is top 25 on both and ND is not. Also NYU is top 25 on neither while Berkeley is top 25 on one.
1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. CMU
21. Umichigan
22.USC
22. tie Notre Dame
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. UC Berkeley
It should look more like this!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


This is undergraduate ranking

You refuse to answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Is it test scores? It's definitely not acceptance rate. Is it alumni respect? Wall Street placement? What is it? I'll tell you now Emory performs just as well or better on all these metrics.


The flagship undfergraduate ranking by USN&WR.

ND is a T20 school.
Emory is not.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


There is no valid "top 25" list that doesn't include Michigan.


Who do you cut from this list to allow Michigan?

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU
Michigan is there. All the top schools are here except Berkeley and UVA. You can argue UVA is tier two with UNC Gatech etc.


Problems with your list:
Duke too high at 6. Should be 8-10.
Johns Hopkins too high at 8. Should be 13-16.
Northwestern too high at 8. Should be 11-14.
UPenn too low at 11. Should be 6-8.
Brown too high at 11. Should be 13-15.
Dartmouth too low at 14. Should be 10-12.
Georgetown too low at 25. Should be 20-23.
NYU too high at 25. Should be 27-30.
Notre Dame too low at 22. Should be 17-20.
Wash U too high at 17. Should be 19-21.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


There is no valid "top 25" list that doesn't include Michigan.


Who do you cut from this list to allow Michigan?

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU
Michigan is there. All the top schools are here except Berkeley and UVA. You can argue UVA is tier two with UNC Gatech etc.


Problems with your list:
Duke too high at 6. Should be 8-10.
Johns Hopkins too high at 8. Should be 13-16.
Northwestern too high at 8. Should be 11-14.
UPenn too low at 11. Should be 6-8.
Brown too high at 11. Should be 13-15.
Dartmouth too low at 14. Should be 10-12.
Georgetown too low at 25. Should be 20-23.
NYU too high at 25. Should be 27-30.
Notre Dame too low at 22. Should be 17-20.
Wash U too high at 17. Should be 19-21.

Why? USNews is not the end all be all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


This is undergraduate ranking

You refuse to answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Is it test scores? It's definitely not acceptance rate. Is it alumni respect? Wall Street placement? What is it? I'll tell you now Emory performs just as well or better on all these metrics.


The flagship undfergraduate ranking by USN&WR.

ND is a T20 school.
Emory is not.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

That's not a reason. I'm saying the ranking is wrong. Emory is higher on WSJ. Much higher in fact.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


1.Harvard
2. tie MIT
2. tie Stanford
4. tie Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia
8. Penn
9. Chicago
10. Duke
11. Northwestern
12. Dartmouth
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


This is good
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why should ND switch with Emory in particular why not another school? What makes ND the better school? Emory is more selective at 11% vs 14% for ND.


Northeastern is more selective than both of them this year at 7%.

Acceptance rate is not counted at leat for the flagship ranking USN&WR any more.


Cool, as it should be but you still didn't answer the question. What makes ND better than Emory? Emory has top 5 grad programs. ND has none in the top 20.


1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
3. Stanford
3. tie Yale
3. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


1.Harvard
2. tie MIT
2. tie Stanford
4. tie Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia
8. Penn
9. Chicago
10. Duke
11. Northwestern
12. Dartmouth
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
18. tie Berkley
28. tie Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA


This is good


Oh, OK. Thanks for your expert opinion, big boy.
Anonymous
In no world is it harder to get into large state school Univ. Mich than Georgetown? You all are smoking crack.

Georgetown (7,300 undergrads) is MUCH more selective than UMich Ann Arbor (31,000 undergrads).

Georgetown REQUIRES test scores and requires ALL scores from everyone you took. It is not on the Common App. For 2022 the SAT average score was 1500. GU's acceptance rate is 15%

Michigan does not require test scores. It lists 1340 as the SAT score for usual admission. Michigan's acceptance rate is 26%

Georgetown only ranks lower on this list precisely because it is not a common app school and requires test scores which precludes many of the kids that would have to submit their scores.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In no world is it harder to get into large state school Univ. Mich than Georgetown? You all are smoking crack.

Georgetown (7,300 undergrads) is MUCH more selective than UMich Ann Arbor (31,000 undergrads).

Georgetown REQUIRES test scores and requires ALL scores from everyone you took. It is not on the Common App. For 2022 the SAT average score was 1500. GU's acceptance rate is 15%

Michigan does not require test scores. It lists 1340 as the SAT score for usual admission. Michigan's acceptance rate is 26%

Georgetown only ranks lower on this list precisely because it is not a common app school and requires test scores which precludes many of the kids that would have to submit their scores.


Who cares? Michigan is overall academically superior to Georgetown.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Schools that make the top 25 on both USnews and WSJ should be ranked higher on the combined list. That means Emory should be higher than ND as Emory is top 25 on both and ND is not. Also NYU is top 25 on neither while Berkeley is top 25 on one.
1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. CMU
21. Umichigan
22.USC
22. tie Notre Dame
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. UC Berkeley
It should look more like this!


This makes more sense. However, Duke is still to high!
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