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I’m confused! Trans swimmers Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig went head-to-head in the pool
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Anonymous
Yep. It’s about the Penn athlete doesn’t get to the Ivy League Championships, about the Penn athlete who is bumped off the relays, about the Ivy League athletes bumped off the podium, the other athletes bumped out of the NCAA championship meet. Before you tell me these opportunities aren’t important for cis women, please explain why they are more important for Trans women? As I said above, the current rule creates affirmative action for trans women. Why? |
Anonymous
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So - no list of the hundreds of trans athletes taking over college sports? Now your down too - “she’s being mean to her teammates”?
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Anonymous
Nobody reply to this moron. Your request for a list of athletes has already been addressed. Sorry you either don’t understand it or are just ignoring it. |
Anonymous
This person understands the sport of swimming and how defeating this can be for female athletes. A mediocre male swimmer can crush top female swimmers just because the male body is so different. It’s ridiculous to allow this. |
Anonymous
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Interview with one of Lia’s teammates. “Instead of caring or showing that she cares about what she’s doing or what she’s doing to her teammates, she’s not sympathetic or empathic at all”. Hmm, shocker.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/transgender-penn-swimmer-breaks-team-rules-compares-self-to-jackie-robinson |
Anonymous
| Wait - we were promised a list of all the D1 trans athletes who are taking over women’s sports. Hundreds of them obviously. You didn’t lie about that? Or did you? |
Anonymous
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Can we let this thread die now??? OR exchange emails and the 2-3 people responding to the asshat can take it private.
DO NOT ENGAGE. |
Anonymous
NP, but the beauty of message boards is that when you are over a topic you can just stop reading. |
Anonymous
Jesus, I just read this article and apparently Lia Thomas is a complete @sshole. Kill me for this all you want, but the behavior described by her teammate sounds like a cocky, immature guy. It is what it is. |
Anonymous
Oooh can you point to the post where this was promised? TIA! |
Anonymous
My DD has swum with several cis females who are similarly self-centered aholes. What I find most interesting is that Lia believes she’s the Jackie Robinson of trans sports. She, like nearly everyone else, understands other trans men will follow her into NCAA women’s sports. Seems she knows this is not about 1 swimmer or the current number of trans women competing against cis women with the competitive advantages bestowed by male puberty. When the NCAA rule was created, trans advocates claimed “there will be no advantage.” Lia has demonstrated that they were wrong. Now the trans community says, it’s only one swimmer, so we shouldn’t care. Except even Lia knows this is just the beginning. |
Anonymous
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Like the other thread about Lia this is a mentally ill person who very much is a narcissist in every respect. This person needs serious help. |
Anonymous
2:10 yesterday. It’s only a page back. |
Anonymous
The article is obviously anti-Thomas, but I suspect that anyone who has had a kid play a college sport knows that it is not too far off, or overly surprising. Simply put, Thomas is a college 5th year Senior. Seniors really do not socialize or do anything with younger teammates that is not scheduled/required. My daughter played 4 years of college soccer. She won the “team mom” award her senior year because she actually knew the freshmen names and said hi to them. And, that’s in a sport where freshmen are actually on the field competing together. Swimming is obviously very individual based other than relays. But, there is no college swimmer who cares more about how the team did in any meet than how they did in any race they swam. The coaches care a great deal. How the team performs will be part of their assessment. And, the coaches understand that the individuals care far more about their role and performance than the team’s performance. So the coaches use it to motivate the athletes. In swimming they put athletes that the coaches think will result in the best result for the team. That may or may not fit in with what the athlete thinks. To some extent the coaches will care, but not in Ivy League women’s swimming. So - without being mean - college seniors on a swim team do not really care about what the underclassmen are doing. They have very little in common beyond being on a team where everyone is training individually. It’s nice if the team wins - provided they did well in their events. If they did not do well, but the team still won - that means nothing. The coach isn’t going to say “it’s okay you sucked because we still won”. The coach will reassess and make changes. Same if the team did poorly, but you swam great. You might be moved to some other race, but you are safe from the adverse decisions that the coach may have to make. The old adage applies to swimming as with other sports: There’s no I in team, but there are two in playing time. |
Anonymous
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It’s really obvious from the times that Thomas sandbagged in order to deflect attention and mitigate the potential for him to get kicked off the women’s team.
On a different note, why is the one who identifies as a trans man on the women’s team? That just bolsters the very correct impression that women sports are becoming a dumping ground for all kinds of people who can’t compete with men. |