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I’m confused! Trans swimmers Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig went head-to-head in the pool
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Anonymous
The school will determine how many should be on a team. Most likely 1/2 of the team. |
Anonymous
| So - is this really all about 1 person? |
Anonymous
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Yep. It is about one person. So let’s talk about why there is so much hate against 1 person shall we? That will be a more interesting discussion.
OP - please tell us what you are doing to enforce Title IX in your state right now. Post some links so we can see and participate in your activities. Look at all the pro-women sports advocates here. Let’s put them to work doing some real good for girls and women athletes. |
Anonymous
| The foundation of our sports infrastructure was not designed with trans-athletes in mind. Simply allowing females in bodies that maintain many male attributes to compete against other females in female bodies does a disservice to all involved. The whole infrastructure needs to be changed. |
Anonymous
For me, I became interested in the issue when the Connecticut high school track meets started to be dominated by 2 transgender girls a few years ago. Taking first AND second place in a sport at the state finals is definitely a big deal in competitive athletics. I also think we should all be spending more time discussing why the system is set up in such a way that Henig had to make the difficult choice he did to continue competing on the girls' team, as opposed to PPs just calling everyone a troll and transphobe. |
Anonymous
Mostly because the issue was dealt with 20 years ago. The NCAA’s current roles on trans participation are over 10 years old now. And, now, there is one MtF trans athlete in D1 sports. That would be out of about 30,000 female athletes. If you think the decades of research are wrong - get your MD degree, get a job in sports bio research, join the medical groups associated with research and testing trans athletes. Then you can do something. In the means time your local high school has a severe Title IX problem under serving women athletes. You might work on that if you cared to actually help women and girl athletes. |
Anonymous
The rules are the problem I'm referring to. It's FtM that's the issue and who are being denied the opportunity to complete. From the NCAA website: A trans female treated with testosterone suppression medication may continue to compete on a men's team but may not compete on a women's team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one year of testosterone suppression treatment. *Outcome is that a trans female has 2 choices. Stay on men's team and then join women's team after a year.* A trans male who has received a medical exemption for treatment with testosterone is no longer eligible to compete on a women's team without changing that team status to a mixed team. *Outcome is that a trans male has 1 choice, which is to leave the women's team.* I just don't believe that it's fair a trans female on testosterone suppression for a year should be allowed to join the women's team, but a trans male who has received ANY testosterone has to quit the women's team. There's no possible way a college athlete male who didn't do testosterone suppression until age 20 is on the same muscular level as a 20 year old college athlete female just starting testosterone treatment. |
Anonymous
No. It’s about a lot of people. |
Anonymous
No. It’s the same. A MtF trans athlete under NCAA rules, may compete as a female after 12 months of doctor certified treatment putting their testosterone level at or below the required level as regularly confirmed by ongoing testing. That person may also compete as a male athlete. A FtM trans athlete may compete as a male athlete under NCAA rules whenever they choose. They may begin medical treatment or not. But, once they begin medical treatment then they must compete as a male athlete. Until a FtM person begins medical treatment they may elect to participate as a female athlete. |
Anonymous
| A female can technically compete in male sports so there is no reason to place any restriction on FtM athletes |
Anonymous
Not even close. Where are you getting that from? |
Anonymous
We are all waiting for that list of “a lot of people” competing in the NCAA division I as trans athletes. So far, it looks like that list consists of exactly One name. Given all the hatred, I am sure there must be hundreds of trans athletes competing in NCAA D1 sports, winning every NCAA championship. Surely we have not been lied too? Surely this whole “debate” was not a complete scam? So - Where’s the list? |
Anonymous
It’s not just about the trans athletes. It’s about the biological women they are competing against. If that needed to be explained to you, then you should just exit the thread. You clearly don’t get the complexity of the situation. |
Anonymous
If you are the number two woman who placed in second place it matters (who should have been first). If you are the number three woman who placed in third it matters. |
Anonymous
Cue the ahole that will come in and start blathering about “trophy’s for everyone” |