Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Is that the best you could do? Chauvin was (supposed to be) arresting Floyd. Penny was defending himself and others from Neely who was threatening to kill people.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

But this is exactly what's happening everywhere, to innocent people. I live in LA, it's literally the wild west the minute you step outside.

That's exactly right. We've had a breakdown in law and order and the basic rules and norms of civilization in many cities - San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, Memphis, Baltimore, Philadelphia and on and on. The police don't do anything. The DAs don't prosecute. The judges don't sentence. And as we go into the warm months it's only going to get worse. All we hear from politicians and city councils is equity and restorative justice and systemic racism and blah blah blah. Meanwhile our once great cities are emptying - look at office vacancy rates - and the drugged out zombies and sociopathic violent criminals fill the void. It's a damn shame Republicans are nutcases these days so there really isn't a meaningful voting alternative to the utterly misguided progressives that run most cities these days. It's sad. And as the mayhem continues, more and more Americans are going to arm themselves and vigilante justice is going to become the norm. And it's our collective fault because we voted for these idiots.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why we can't have democratic leaders who believe in keeping cities safe, clean, and orderly.

Hear hear

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should give that man a parade and award

Which one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The choke hold continued for 51 seconds AFTER he was unconscious.

I think he beat Derek Chauvins record!

Yet he wasn’t dead. He chose the wrong car to bring his crazy that day.

Nope, he's not dead at all. Prob at the "soup kitchen" right now eating caviar and watching Netflix on his Obama phone

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

[Anonymous]

One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

You’re going to be so disappointed in the outcome of this trial.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

You’re going to be so disappointed in the outcome of this trial.

Considering the fact that you don't seem to know anything about the case and probably don't even know the difference between manslaughter and 2nd degree murder, I don't think anyone is considering your opinions/prediction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of Sean Hannity's rocket scientist viewers is posting on this thread

You’re going to be so disappointed in the outcome of this trial.

Considering the fact that you don't seem to know anything about the case and probably don't even know the difference between manslaughter and 2nd degree murder, I don't think anyone is considering your opinions/prediction.

Ok. We shall see!

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

You called in the police to attack some poor homeless person for daring to be in the train car with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.

You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop.

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked?

The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people. Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while lunging at your child, would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting? Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?

I would be forever grateful for Daniel Penny.