Biden as defender of “freedom” - how do we think this will go?

[Anonymous]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3982207-biden-seeks-to-flip-the-script-on-freedom-in-2024/

Does this include, say, freedom to practice one’s religion?

Freedom to vaccinate one’s own body, or not, as one prefers?

Freedom to speak as one likes, and not be forced to adopt words and concepts invented in the last 5 nanoseconds of human history?

Freedom from mandatory political indoctrination sessions at work?

I would really hate to see Trump Part Deux, but I can see this messaging backfiring big time. Personally I would have liked to see the focus be on “stability” because I think that’s what got Joe 95% of his votes last time.

[Anonymous]

Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

[Anonymous]

^^^

and I specifically mean freedom of offensive speech and political dissent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3982207-biden-seeks-to-flip-the-script-on-freedom-in-2024/

Does this include, say, freedom to practice one’s religion? Yes, you have the right not to get an abortion, I should have the right to get one

Freedom to vaccinate one’s own body, or not, as one prefers?no government forced you to get vaccinated.

Freedom to speak as one likes, and not be forced to adopt words and concepts invented in the last 5 nanoseconds of human history? you can say what you want...others will hold you accountable for your words. Why are you preventing me or my kids from accessing books?

Freedom from mandatory political indoctrination sessions at work? This is a total fabircation...the truth in our history can be painful, but we should all learn from it. Why are you afraid of the truth?

I would really hate to see Trump Part Deux, but I can see this messaging backfiring big time. Personally I would have liked to see the focus be on “stability” because I think that’s what got Joe 95% of his votes last time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

Texas wants prayer and the Ten Commandments in public schools.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/ten-commandments-and-prayer-in-public-schools-texas-senate-approves-religious-bills/

Except, some of us are Hindu, or Muslim, and that's not part of our scripture. And, the Ten Commandments has absolutely nothing to do with federal or state law, so why is it being brought in to glare down on school children as if it's law? What if you're Jewish and you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and pray the way the school says you should?

And as for "regular citizens and free speech" versus the left... you people on the right seem to have a funny idea about what free speech is, and how it works.

People on the left aren't forbidding you from saying anything. But what they are doing is, if you say something that's racist, misogynist, or a lie, et cetera they will call you out for it, and if that goes viral, there's likelihood of you being embarrassed, having it catch the attention of your employer, your sponsor, your advertisers et cetera, who in turn may have the right to fire you, to pull support from you, et cetera. You have the right to speak, but the problem you on the right seem to have trouble understanding is that free speech is not a one way street. You have the right to say what you want, but others also have the right to speak, and to counter what you said. THAT is how free speech works. You HAVE free speech - nobody ever took that away from you - but need to understand that it can come with consequences. A better solution would be to not say jackass things in the first place, if you don't want to be called out for being a jackass. But that choice is also yours to freely make, or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3982207-biden-seeks-to-flip-the-script-on-freedom-in-2024/

Does this include, say, freedom to practice one’s religion? Yes, you have the right not to get an abortion, I should have the right to get one

Freedom to vaccinate one’s own body, or not, as one prefers?no government forced you to get vaccinated.

Freedom to speak as one likes, and not be forced to adopt words and concepts invented in the last 5 nanoseconds of human history? you can say what you want...others will hold you accountable for your words. Why are you preventing me or my kids from accessing books?

Freedom from mandatory political indoctrination sessions at work? This is a total fabircation...the truth in our history can be painful, but we should all learn from it. Why are you afraid of the truth?

I would really hate to see Trump Part Deux, but I can see this messaging backfiring big time. Personally I would have liked to see the focus be on “stability” because I think that’s what got Joe 95% of his votes last time.

nice whataboutism you got there

and why are YOU making this personal (don't answer, it's an anon forum after 9 PM so I sorta know)

anyway, note that I used "one" not "I" or "me" in my post

and do not like Trump

I just want the Dems to be make better choices so they will have better chances

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

And if the right is so in favor of free speech then why am I still banned from Twitter by your boy Elon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

Texas wants prayer and the Ten Commandments in public schools.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/ten-commandments-and-prayer-in-public-schools-texas-senate-approves-religious-bills/

Except, some of us are Hindu, or Muslim, and that's not part of our scripture. And, the Ten Commandments has absolutely nothing to do with federal or state law, so why is it being brought in to glare down on school children as if it's law? What if you're Jewish and you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and pray the way the school says you should?

And as for "regular citizens and free speech" versus the left... you people on the right seem to have a funny idea about what free speech is, and how it works.

People on the left aren't forbidding you from saying anything. But what they are doing is, if you say something that's racist, misogynist, or a lie, et cetera they will call you out for it, and if that goes viral, there's likelihood of you being embarrassed, having it catch the attention of your employer, your sponsor, your advertisers et cetera, who in turn may have the right to fire you, to pull support from you, et cetera. You have the right to speak, but the problem you on the right seem to have trouble understanding is that free speech is not a one way street. You have the right to say what you want, but others also have the right to speak, and to counter what you said. THAT is how free speech works. You HAVE free speech - nobody ever took that away from you - but need to understand that it can come with consequences. A better solution would be to not say jackass things in the first place, if you don't want to be called out for being a jackass. But that choice is also yours to freely make, or not.

That's the definition of the "chilling effect."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

Texas wants prayer and the Ten Commandments in public schools.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/ten-commandments-and-prayer-in-public-schools-texas-senate-approves-religious-bills/

Except, some of us are Hindu, or Muslim, and that's not part of our scripture. And, the Ten Commandments has absolutely nothing to do with federal or state law, so why is it being brought in to glare down on school children as if it's law? What if you're Jewish and you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and pray the way the school says you should?

And as for "regular citizens and free speech" versus the left... you people on the right seem to have a funny idea about what free speech is, and how it works.

People on the left aren't forbidding you from saying anything. But what they are doing is, if you say something that's racist, misogynist, or a lie, et cetera they will call you out for it, and if that goes viral, there's likelihood of you being embarrassed, having it catch the attention of your employer, your sponsor, your advertisers et cetera, who in turn may have the right to fire you, to pull support from you, et cetera. You have the right to speak, but the problem you on the right seem to have trouble understanding is that free speech is not a one way street. You have the right to say what you want, but others also have the right to speak, and to counter what you said. THAT is how free speech works. You HAVE free speech - nobody ever took that away from you - but need to understand that it can come with consequences. A better solution would be to not say jackass things in the first place, if you don't want to be called out for being a jackass. But that choice is also yours to freely make, or not.

if your paradigm for the entire right is Texas, then we should use Oregon for the left, and see where we find more nuts - or not, because that is a tiresome exercise repeated continually all over the Internet

moving on, your entire analysis of the free speech point is premised on the assumption that if someone gets mobbed, deplatformed, demoted, fired to deflect attention from their employer, etc. it must have been because they said something MORALLY AWFUL, as proven by the fact that the online public sphere, which dispenses this justice impartially, must be representative of the views of SOCIETY, and certainly not dominated by a small number of partisan lunatics (on both sides, of course) with various personality disorders, present DCUM company excluded because everyone is just on these forums to learn

maybe just reflect on those assumptions for a second

also I'm not on the right so save the "you people"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

And if the right is so in favor of free speech then why am I still banned from Twitter by your boy Elon?

I guess you were naughty

Elon is a fruitcake

I bet if you sent him some free drugs he would let you back on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

Texas wants prayer and the Ten Commandments in public schools.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/ten-commandments-and-prayer-in-public-schools-texas-senate-approves-religious-bills/

Except, some of us are Hindu, or Muslim, and that's not part of our scripture. And, the Ten Commandments has absolutely nothing to do with federal or state law, so why is it being brought in to glare down on school children as if it's law? What if you're Jewish and you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and pray the way the school says you should?

And as for "regular citizens and free speech" versus the left... you people on the right seem to have a funny idea about what free speech is, and how it works.

People on the left aren't forbidding you from saying anything. But what they are doing is, if you say something that's racist, misogynist, or a lie, et cetera they will call you out for it, and if that goes viral, there's likelihood of you being embarrassed, having it catch the attention of your employer, your sponsor, your advertisers et cetera, who in turn may have the right to fire you, to pull support from you, et cetera. You have the right to speak, but the problem you on the right seem to have trouble understanding is that free speech is not a one way street. You have the right to say what you want, but others also have the right to speak, and to counter what you said. THAT is how free speech works. You HAVE free speech - nobody ever took that away from you - but need to understand that it can come with consequences. A better solution would be to not say jackass things in the first place, if you don't want to be called out for being a jackass. But that choice is also yours to freely make, or not.

That's the definition of the "chilling effect."

And?

You have the right to say whatever you want. Are you suggesting only you have the right but not others with contrasting viewpoints. If you want to use the N word, go for it, but expect blowback. That is all the PP is saying. Are you suggesting there shouldn't be blowback for using the N Word?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school


I can keep going

please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens

Texas wants prayer and the Ten Commandments in public schools.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/ten-commandments-and-prayer-in-public-schools-texas-senate-approves-religious-bills/

Except, some of us are Hindu, or Muslim, and that's not part of our scripture. And, the Ten Commandments has absolutely nothing to do with federal or state law, so why is it being brought in to glare down on school children as if it's law? What if you're Jewish and you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and pray the way the school says you should?

And as for "regular citizens and free speech" versus the left... you people on the right seem to have a funny idea about what free speech is, and how it works.

People on the left aren't forbidding you from saying anything. But what they are doing is, if you say something that's racist, misogynist, or a lie, et cetera they will call you out for it, and if that goes viral, there's likelihood of you being embarrassed, having it catch the attention of your employer, your sponsor, your advertisers et cetera, who in turn may have the right to fire you, to pull support from you, et cetera. You have the right to speak, but the problem you on the right seem to have trouble understanding is that free speech is not a one way street. You have the right to say what you want, but others also have the right to speak, and to counter what you said. THAT is how free speech works. You HAVE free speech - nobody ever took that away from you - but need to understand that it can come with consequences. A better solution would be to not say jackass things in the first place, if you don't want to be called out for being a jackass. But that choice is also yours to freely make, or not.

if your paradigm for the entire right is Texas, then we should use Oregon for the left, and see where we find more nuts - or not, because that is a tiresome exercise repeated continually all over the Internet

moving on, your entire analysis of the free speech point is premised on the assumption that if someone gets mobbed, deplatformed, demoted, fired to deflect attention from their employer, etc. it must have been because they said something MORALLY AWFUL, as proven by the fact that the online public sphere, which dispenses this justice impartially, must be representative of the views of SOCIETY, and certainly not dominated by a small number of partisan lunatics (on both sides, of course) with various personality disorders, present DCUM company excluded because everyone is just on these forums to learn

maybe just reflect on those assumptions for a second

also I'm not on the right so save the "you people"

Here is the difference: many on the left would agree with your that there are some in Oregon who are very progressive to radical. But there isn't anyone on the right saying that what is happening in different red states is unamerican where trampling of rights is concerned. Where Dem leadership calls out those in the Dem party who do stupid or illlegal things and hold them accountable, no one is doing any such thing on the right.

see the difference?