Biden as defender of “freedom” - how do we think this will go?

[Anonymous]

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OK, fine, I'll stipulate that Texas is pretty bad

also saw Abbott reference the murder of some "illegal immigrants," to which I guess we could say thanks for the heads-up, "cripple"

but apart from that, I wonder if the "normal people" referenced earlier feel like the Democrats are the ones telling people they can think what they like, do what they like (as long as not harming others and yes, I know abortion is a glaring exception), speak their mind, and protect their families? because these are all things that the "normal people" I've been around consider important freedoms - not the "freedom" to make $15 an hour mopping floors

it's hard to filter out all the stupidity on the Internet but my impression, at a very high level, is that one party spends a lot more effort than the other these days on enforcing social conformity, and it's not the Republicans - and I'm not a Republican, and never voted for one in my life - Scout's Honor! I am one of the many millions who held my nose and voted for a guy who could barely put a sentence together for the sole reason that he wasn't trying to light forest fires every single day, even if he occasionally lights some by accident

and I would hate to see the Dems F it up next summer

are you kidding? The republicans are forcing a fundamentalist Christian society on a country that is not supposed to be of any specific religion. Talk about imposing conformity.

the only issue that supports that viewpoint is abortion and that's now at the state level, not the federal

tell me, do you think more meetings these days include land acknowledgements and pronoun discussions, or the Lord's Prayer?

So, the Supreme Court isn't the federal level?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3982207-biden-seeks-to-flip-the-script-on-freedom-in-2024/

Does this include, say, freedom to practice one’s religion?

Freedom to vaccinate one’s own body, or not, as one prefers?

Freedom to speak as one likes, and not be forced to adopt words and concepts invented in the last 5 nanoseconds of human history?

Freedom from mandatory political indoctrination sessions at work?

I would really hate to see Trump Part Deux, but I can see this messaging backfiring big time. Personally I would have liked to see the focus be on “stability” because I think that’s what got Joe 95% of his votes last time.

Where is freedom of religion being curtailed?

Mandatory vaccination with exceptions has long been the law of the land and is safe and effective.

Where is freedom of speech being curtailed or forced by the government?

Where is there mandatory political indoctrination at work that violates your Constitutional or civil rights?

Your complaints are a list of right wing talking points. Good luck with that.

My religion allows me to get an abortion whenever I want. I am being told by the state, at the behest of Evangelical Christians, that I cannot. My rights are being curtailed.

[Anonymous]

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OK, fine, I'll stipulate that Texas is pretty bad

also saw Abbott reference the murder of some "illegal immigrants," to which I guess we could say thanks for the heads-up, "cripple"

but apart from that, I wonder if the "normal people" referenced earlier feel like the Democrats are the ones telling people they can think what they like, do what they like (as long as not harming others and yes, I know abortion is a glaring exception), speak their mind, and protect their families? because these are all things that the "normal people" I've been around consider important freedoms - not the "freedom" to make $15 an hour mopping floors

it's hard to filter out all the stupidity on the Internet but my impression, at a very high level, is that one party spends a lot more effort than the other these days on enforcing social conformity, and it's not the Republicans - and I'm not a Republican, and never voted for one in my life - Scout's Honor! I am one of the many millions who held my nose and voted for a guy who could barely put a sentence together for the sole reason that he wasn't trying to light forest fires every single day, even if he occasionally lights some by accident

and I would hate to see the Dems F it up next summer

are you kidding? The republicans are forcing a fundamentalist Christian society on a country that is not supposed to be of any specific religion. Talk about imposing conformity.

You keep saying this. Explain how you see this playing out.
Because, I can tell you...... "fundamentalist Christians" are not occupying seats in government, leadership at universities, positions in Big Tech, roles in mainstream media, or any other position with power.

And, while we are at it. Define "fundamentalist Christians." I think this is a term you are using as a slur when I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about.

Because, I can tell you...... "fundamentalist Christians" are not occupying seats in government
Are you sure about that?

Name them.

Comey
Alito
Kavanaugh
Roberts
Thomas
Pence
Most of the GOP in the House
Most of the GOP in the Senate
DiSantis
Abbott
the list goes on and on...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, fine, I'll stipulate that Texas is pretty bad

also saw Abbott reference the murder of some "illegal immigrants," to which I guess we could say thanks for the heads-up, "cripple"

but apart from that, I wonder if the "normal people" referenced earlier feel like the Democrats are the ones telling people they can think what they like, do what they like (as long as not harming others and yes, I know abortion is a glaring exception), speak their mind, and protect their families? because these are all things that the "normal people" I've been around consider important freedoms - not the "freedom" to make $15 an hour mopping floors

it's hard to filter out all the stupidity on the Internet but my impression, at a very high level, is that one party spends a lot more effort than the other these days on enforcing social conformity, and it's not the Republicans - and I'm not a Republican, and never voted for one in my life - Scout's Honor! I am one of the many millions who held my nose and voted for a guy who could barely put a sentence together for the sole reason that he wasn't trying to light forest fires every single day, even if he occasionally lights some by accident

and I would hate to see the Dems F it up next summer

are you kidding? The republicans are forcing a fundamentalist Christian society on a country that is not supposed to be of any specific religion. Talk about imposing conformity.

the only issue that supports that viewpoint is abortion and that's now at the state level, not the federal

tell me, do you think more meetings these days include land acknowledgements and pronoun discussions, or the Lord's Prayer?

So, the Supreme Court isn't the federal level?

and at the federal level - in a classic totalitarian move /s - the issue has simply been handed back down to the states

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

Federal income tax started in 1861

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

Federal income tax started in 1861

Exactly … there were Ports, Roads, clean air, cleaner water than today, money was exchanged…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

Federal income tax started in 1861

Exactly … there were Ports, Roads, clean air, cleaner water than today, money was exchanged…

Come on, man 😂

There were slaves

There were no cars

60% of the non slave workforce were farmers

Hardly instructive for our present day situation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, fine, I'll stipulate that Texas is pretty bad

also saw Abbott reference the murder of some "illegal immigrants," to which I guess we could say thanks for the heads-up, "cripple"

but apart from that, I wonder if the "normal people" referenced earlier feel like the Democrats are the ones telling people they can think what they like, do what they like (as long as not harming others and yes, I know abortion is a glaring exception), speak their mind, and protect their families? because these are all things that the "normal people" I've been around consider important freedoms - not the "freedom" to make $15 an hour mopping floors

it's hard to filter out all the stupidity on the Internet but my impression, at a very high level, is that one party spends a lot more effort than the other these days on enforcing social conformity, and it's not the Republicans - and I'm not a Republican, and never voted for one in my life - Scout's Honor! I am one of the many millions who held my nose and voted for a guy who could barely put a sentence together for the sole reason that he wasn't trying to light forest fires every single day, even if he occasionally lights some by accident

and I would hate to see the Dems F it up next summer

are you kidding? The republicans are forcing a fundamentalist Christian society on a country that is not supposed to be of any specific religion. Talk about imposing conformity.

the only issue that supports that viewpoint is abortion and that's now at the state level, not the federal

tell me, do you think more meetings these days include land acknowledgements and pronoun discussions, or the Lord's Prayer?

So, the Supreme Court isn't the federal level?

and at the federal level - in a classic totalitarian move /s - the issue has simply been handed back down to the states

Except Lindsey Graham and Donald Trumps are both proposing a national ban.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

Federal income tax started in 1861

Exactly … there were Ports, Roads, clean air, cleaner water than today, money was exchanged…

How do you think the water became polluted and why were regulations passed?

Whatever. You are nuts. I’m glad that you basically have admitted that you would like to live a present day version of America circa 1810.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

Federal income tax started in 1861

Exactly … there were Ports, Roads, clean air, cleaner water than today, money was exchanged…

How do you think the water became polluted and why were regulations passed?

Whatever. You are nuts. I’m glad that you basically have admitted that you would like to live a present day version of America circa 1810.

We also need to abolish all income taxes & institute a national sales tax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, fine, I'll stipulate that Texas is pretty bad

also saw Abbott reference the murder of some "illegal immigrants," to which I guess we could say thanks for the heads-up, "cripple"

but apart from that, I wonder if the "normal people" referenced earlier feel like the Democrats are the ones telling people they can think what they like, do what they like (as long as not harming others and yes, I know abortion is a glaring exception), speak their mind, and protect their families? because these are all things that the "normal people" I've been around consider important freedoms - not the "freedom" to make $15 an hour mopping floors

it's hard to filter out all the stupidity on the Internet but my impression, at a very high level, is that one party spends a lot more effort than the other these days on enforcing social conformity, and it's not the Republicans - and I'm not a Republican, and never voted for one in my life - Scout's Honor! I am one of the many millions who held my nose and voted for a guy who could barely put a sentence together for the sole reason that he wasn't trying to light forest fires every single day, even if he occasionally lights some by accident

and I would hate to see the Dems F it up next summer

are you kidding? The republicans are forcing a fundamentalist Christian society on a country that is not supposed to be of any specific religion. Talk about imposing conformity.

the only issue that supports that viewpoint is abortion and that's now at the state level, not the federal

tell me, do you think more meetings these days include land acknowledgements and pronoun discussions, or the Lord's Prayer?

So, the Supreme Court isn't the federal level?

and at the federal level - in a classic totalitarian move /s - the issue has simply been handed back down to the states

Access to certain healthcare procedures should not be dependent on which state you live in. We have certain fundamental natural rights as American citizens. Freedom to consult with a doctor privately about your personal health is one of them.

Or do you just love chaos and anarchy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, fine, I'll stipulate that Texas is pretty bad

also saw Abbott reference the murder of some "illegal immigrants," to which I guess we could say thanks for the heads-up, "cripple"

but apart from that, I wonder if the "normal people" referenced earlier feel like the Democrats are the ones telling people they can think what they like, do what they like (as long as not harming others and yes, I know abortion is a glaring exception), speak their mind, and protect their families? because these are all things that the "normal people" I've been around consider important freedoms - not the "freedom" to make $15 an hour mopping floors

it's hard to filter out all the stupidity on the Internet but my impression, at a very high level, is that one party spends a lot more effort than the other these days on enforcing social conformity, and it's not the Republicans - and I'm not a Republican, and never voted for one in my life - Scout's Honor! I am one of the many millions who held my nose and voted for a guy who could barely put a sentence together for the sole reason that he wasn't trying to light forest fires every single day, even if he occasionally lights some by accident

and I would hate to see the Dems F it up next summer

are you kidding? The republicans are forcing a fundamentalist Christian society on a country that is not supposed to be of any specific religion. Talk about imposing conformity.

the only issue that supports that viewpoint is abortion and that's now at the state level, not the federal

tell me, do you think more meetings these days include land acknowledgements and pronoun discussions, or the Lord's Prayer?

So, the Supreme Court isn't the federal level?

and at the federal level - in a classic totalitarian move /s - the issue has simply been handed back down to the states

And the red states are imposing draconion abortion and other laws that will suppress votes and suppress actual freedom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom from taxes

The most important freedom. Taxes literally make people work 2/5 of the year for free.

Without taxes we would have no roads, no method of air travel, no ports to sail big freighters or ships from, no mechanism for assuring drug or food safety, no mechanism for clean air or water, no ability to exchange dollars for goods and services, no ability to have fair banking practices, no ability to ensure workers in factories or other places had safe conditions, should I go on?

Sure we would . We had most of those things before taxes.

Federal income tax started in 1861

Exactly … there were Ports, Roads, clean air, cleaner water than today, money was exchanged…

How do you think the water became polluted and why were regulations passed?

Whatever. You are nuts. I’m glad that you basically have admitted that you would like to live a present day version of America circa 1810.

We also need to abolish all income taxes & institute a national sales tax.

Regressive so the "poors" will stay that way forever. We see you.