Girl Raped at Rockville HS

[Anonymous]

You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

Yeah. We need to wait until our schools become a hotbed of sexual violence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You do realize there is a supreme court case that says illegal immigrants are entitled to an education?
What do you want him to do? Break the law?

Exactly where does it say that you have to dump them together with the children who already speak English?

Zip.

Solution: Implement an education system where you have university-track (similar to the German's Gymnasium) schools and vocational schools. Place the illegals in vocational. If they have high academic achievement at the vocational then they can switch to the university-track.

How about if we have districts like in hunger games and we assign people jobs as they enter the school system.

God help us if any of these people are ever put in charge of anything.

You, obviously, know nothing about the German school system if you're comparing it to the Hunger Games. How about you do a little Googling to open up your very limited mind?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

Yeah. We need to wait until our schools become a hotbed of sexual violence.

But it exposed something that the general public wasn't really that aware of. 18 year olds with no birth certificate , no English , no vaccinations , no citizenship, no transcripts , no criminal background checks are wandering around our schools freshmen classes and in the schools until 21-22 years old .

That's something the schools didn't want publicized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

Yes, but I think parents are also very disturbed about the things they are only just now learning, like the adult age of many of the beginning students, the fact they can begin HS at 18 and remain in the schools into their 20's. I think until now, parents assumed this was only in the less frequent cases of special needs students, whose problems/background/needs are well known to school administrators. And of course there would also be the occasional "flunkies", who might stick around past 18, but those kids and their backgrounds are also well known to school administrators, and are more likely to be on security's radar if their failure in school is tied to behavioral problems. It's the new realization about the sheer volume of these older completely unknown students that is of great concern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

Yeah. We need to wait until our schools become a hotbed of sexual violence.

But it exposed something that the general public wasn't really that aware of. 18 year olds with no birth certificate , no English , no vaccinations , no citizenship, no transcripts , no criminal background checks are wandering around our schools freshmen classes and in the schools until 21-22 years old .

That's something the schools didn't want publicized.

Yes this exactly. I have to fill out 100 things and show my child's birth certificate to get them registered. How was it even possible to register? Its total lack of control/regard for safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

First off, I am not convinced that this is the first time this has ever happened. Are you sure? These men seemed to know exactly which bathroom to use that was out of the way and then they went back to class as if nothing had happened. Don't you think it's possible that they did this other times, but the girls were too scared to come forward?

Also, once is enough, IMO. How many times do we allow this to happen before we decide that things need to change?

Agree with the PP. It has brought to light some policies that need to be addressed. If MCPS was actively demonstrating that they are reviewing polices and willing to engage parents, there would not be as much outrage. But, Jack Smith has basically been trying to minimize the incident.

Do your kids go to Rockville HS? Mine are at Wood Middle School, so we'll be at Rockville soon. This is a huge concern for us. Would you be more concerned if it had happened to a school that your kid attends? (just questions to think about - you don't need to answer)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

FTR, we've been in MCPS for 5 years and there have definitely been a number of sexual assault incidents in the school system that we've heard of. Hopefully it's not happening all the time, but it really seems to be an issue in the county.

Just a few months ago, there was a story about a Silver Spring bus driver accused of inappropriateness with young girls on the bus. I understand this is a large county, but you seem to hear more about it here than in Fairfax (we have relatives in Fairfax, so I hear about their issues also).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

First off, I am not convinced that this is the first time this has ever happened. Are you sure? These men seemed to know exactly which bathroom to use that was out of the way and then they went back to class as if nothing had happened. Don't you think it's possible that they did this other times, but the girls were too scared to come forward?

Also, once is enough, IMO. How many times do we allow this to happen before we decide that things need to change?

Agree with the PP. It has brought to light some policies that need to be addressed. If MCPS was actively demonstrating that they are reviewing polices and willing to engage parents, there would not be as much outrage. But, Jack Smith has basically been trying to minimize the incident.

Do your kids go to Rockville HS? Mine are at Wood Middle School, so we'll be at Rockville soon. This is a huge concern for us. Would you be more concerned if it had happened to a school that your kid attends? (just questions to think about - you don't need to answer)

I want PP to answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I had a child in a MCPS I would be seriously considering pulling them out and putting them into a private school right now. The school district is so far over the ideological deep end, it seems hopeless for the children and parents.

advice from the expert with no children in the system

I have children in public schools and you better believe I'm thinking about pulling out my daughters! Either that or sue to get my tax dollars back!

? If something horrible happens at a private school will you pull your kid out of private? So, where then where will you go? Home school?

Some white men have commited rape; are you going to tell your DD not to marry a white man?

I'm not the PP, but we have a reasonable expectation that we can send our girls (and boys) to school and expect that they will not be RAPED by an 18 year old man in the bathroom.

If this happened and we were at a private school, you can damn well believe that the parents would sue.

I come from a country where women face threats and realize what it does to female society as a whole. If there is the possibility of rape at school, it has an immense effect on girls' educations. It's a great way to keep girls and their parents scared.

This is unacceptable.

This person or people who keep bringing up rapes outside of school grounds simply don't understand the conversation. No one is saying rape doesn't happen. No one is saying rapes don't occur among other races. Stop bringing race or incidents outside of school into this.

This issue is rape on school grounds during school hours. Get it?

I think everyone gets it. The point is - a really horrible thing happened in school, like school shootings. If a white guy in a private school rapes a girl in school, are you going to home school your kid? Fine, you can sue the school, but pulling your kid out of an entire school system because of this horrific incident seems like an over reaction. I think parents should hold the school board accountable, but kids can be hurt at any school, private or public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Calm down, lynch mob. You are whipping yourselves into a frenzy because of one crime that happens to fit your narrative of everything wrong with the world. Yes, we should consider whether this crime is an indicator that certain policies should be changed. But calling for the superintendent to resign? That is hysteria and it does your cause no good. Would you have called for the superintendent of the Newtown school district to resign? No, because that was considered an isolated tragedy no one could predict. If you think YOU could have predicted this because undocumented students are so obviously all criminals to you, al I can say is that your prejudices are not supported by facts.

The Superintendant has made it clear that he does not thing this is a big deal. It took days for him to even acknowledge the event and then at the meeting, he refers to it as an 'event'.

He is the one who is not even making an effort to address policy issues. Seems to want the whole 'event' to just go away without making any meaningful change. That is why there are calls for him to resign. He has failed our students repeatedly. And is not even willing to own up to that.

Do you feel that Jack Smith's response has been appropriate?

He doesn't want to take responsibility. He tried to cover this up. He's callous and uncaring. He's not serious about making changes to prevent this from happening again. To him it's one single "event".He's a joke. We need someone who's up for the task of running a school system. This is a tough job and he's proven he can't handle it. Yes, he needs to step down. Mcps will do something about him once they are sued senseless if not before. Our kids deserve better.

[Anonymous]

I don't really understand what the students' age has to do with it. There are plenty of 17 year olds in high schools and there's nothing inherently different about them being potential rapists vs 18 or 19 year olds. Technically students of any age in a high school could be potential rapists. Nothing magical happens when someone turns 18/19/20 that makes them more likely to rape than a 17 year old. My son will be almost 19 when he graduates because his birthday is at the beginning of September. Would you consider him to be someone who should not be allowed to attend school with 14 or 15 year olds?

Was this situation a terrible one? Of course. But let's focus on the issues that matter--such as security in schools vs. focusing on that there are some male students over the age of 18 in high schools. Because what you're really saying is that immigrants from Central America who are currently in US high schools are all potential rapists just waiting to pounce on your child.

[Anonymous]

[guardian]

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Anonymous wrote:You all do realize this is the first time this has ever happened. It's not like this is happening all the time or anything. I'm not minimizing the horrific nature of it but your acting like our schools are a hotbed of sexual violence. They are not.

First off, I am not convinced that this is the first time this has ever happened. Are you sure? These men seemed to know exactly which bathroom to use that was out of the way and then they went back to class as if nothing had happened. Don't you think it's possible that they did this other times, but the girls were too scared to come forward?

Also, once is enough, IMO. How many times do we allow this to happen before we decide that things need to change?

Agree with the PP. It has brought to light some policies that need to be addressed. If MCPS was actively demonstrating that they are reviewing polices and willing to engage parents, there would not be as much outrage. But, Jack Smith has basically been trying to minimize the incident.

Do your kids go to Rockville HS? Mine are at Wood Middle School, so we'll be at Rockville soon. This is a huge concern for us. Would you be more concerned if it had happened to a school that your kid attends? (just questions to think about - you don't need to answer)

Well said. Generally speaking, most rapes go UNreported, as the shear trauma can often be emotionally (at the very least) crippling for the victim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I had a child in a MCPS I would be seriously considering pulling them out and putting them into a private school right now. The school district is so far over the ideological deep end, it seems hopeless for the children and parents.

advice from the expert with no children in the system

I have children in public schools and you better believe I'm thinking about pulling out my daughters! Either that or sue to get my tax dollars back!

? If something horrible happens at a private school will you pull your kid out of private? So, where then where will you go? Home school?

Some white men have commited rape; are you going to tell your DD not to marry a white man?

I'm not the PP, but we have a reasonable expectation that we can send our girls (and boys) to school and expect that they will not be RAPED by an 18 year old man in the bathroom.

If this happened and we were at a private school, you can damn well believe that the parents would sue.

I come from a country where women face threats and realize what it does to female society as a whole. If there is the possibility of rape at school, it has an immense effect on girls' educations. It's a great way to keep girls and their parents scared.

This is unacceptable.

This person or people who keep bringing up rapes outside of school grounds simply don't understand the conversation. No one is saying rape doesn't happen. No one is saying rapes don't occur among other races. Stop bringing race or incidents outside of school into this.

This issue is rape on school grounds during school hours. Get it?

I think everyone gets it. The point is - a really horrible thing happened in school, like school shootings. If a white guy in a private school rapes a girl in school, are you going to home school your kid? Fine, you can sue the school, but pulling your kid out of an entire school system because of this horrific incident seems like an over reaction. I think parents should hold the school board accountable, but kids can be hurt at any school, private or public.

Weird thing is that when there is a school shooting, it gets reported on all news outlets, because even though there are political issues about guns, everyone is concerned about children's safety. This tragedy isn't showing up on MSNBC. Sad, and just goes to show the deep complexities of this issue. Makes me wonder what else we don't know about because it isn't convenient to furthering an agenda (left or right).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what the students' age has to do with it. There are plenty of 17 year olds in high schools and there's nothing inherently different about them being potential rapists vs 18 or 19 year olds. Technically students of any age in a high school could be potential rapists. Nothing magical happens when someone turns 18/19/20 that makes them more likely to rape than a 17 year old. My son will be almost 19 when he graduates because his birthday is at the beginning of September. Would you consider him to be someone who should not be allowed to attend school with 14 or 15 year olds?

Was this situation a terrible one? Of course. But let's focus on the issues that matter--such as security in schools vs. focusing on that there are some male students over the age of 18 in high schools. Because what you're really saying is that immigrants from Central America who are currently in US high schools are all potential rapists just waiting to pounce on your child.

1) Your son is about to graduate, not just getting started.

2) If age has nothing to do with it, then why to we bother to have statutory rape laws? I guess anyone who's comfortable with their HS daughter dating should be fine with them dating a man of any age? No? Then this is why. This is not just about fear of more rape. There is a big difference (or should be) in the maturity level of a 14 year old and a 21 year old, and there is a lot that goes along with that.