Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand why Republican men want to control women's bodies--they are bitter haters. Yes they are more manly than Democratic men, but a lot less understanding of women's perspectives. But Republican women are traitors to their gender. How can any woman not be pro-choice? What the heck?

They aren't more manly, they are insecure manchild material hiding in a big pickup truck or surrounded by guns.

This. Whenever I see a guy driving a giant pickup truck (unless it’s the truck he drives for his actual job), I assume he’s sexually insecure. Maybe that’s not fair, but I can’t help it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the rise of transwomen is not great news for biological women. While I support equal rights for trans people, biological men claiming and defining women's rights and women's spaces is problematic. Unfortunately, we've gotten addicted to victim-celebrating culture. And white, straight women (from the DMV!) are not that high on the totem pole of oppression. In fact, the trans community are singling us out as oppressors. We have to be careful on the left that we don't just tear each other apart.

Apart from DCUM, I don’t see this “rise of trans women” although I don’t doubt I’ve shared public spaces with them. So. They are very discreet in real life. As my very elderly mother says: who cares who’s in the next bathroom stall?

And yes I know about the infamous swimmer. But seems to me we can just add a third athletic category for transgender people and be done.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the rise of transwomen is not great news for biological women. While I support equal rights for trans people, biological men claiming and defining women's rights and women's spaces is problematic. Unfortunately, we've gotten addicted to victim-celebrating culture. And white, straight women (from the DMV!) are not that high on the totem pole of oppression. In fact, the trans community are singling us out as oppressors. We have to be careful on the left that we don't just tear each other apart.

Apart from DCUM, I don’t see this “rise of trans women” although I don’t doubt I’ve shared public spaces with them. So. They are very discreet in real life. As my very elderly mother says: who cares who’s in the next bathroom stall?

And yes I know about the infamous swimmer. But seems to me we can just add a third athletic category for transgender people and be done.

Trans people represent barely 1% of the population and frankly I think it's perverse to obsess over what's between some stranger's legs.

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I don't know--the idea that manly Republican men are acting manly to cover up insecurity sounds like a cope.

In my dating life, I'm more suspicious of feminist men agreeing with me on everything than I am of men who vote Republican like the vast majority of employed, homeowning men do.

While I disagree with Republican male policy preferences, I think they are honestly held. Whereas with progressive men, I often feel like they being a bit disingenuous and trying to curry favor with me, with their employers, etc.

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The labels R and D are misleading bc a good percentage of each support some positions of the other. Im R, but Im an atheist and pro choice (actually pro-abortion). Im for federal funding for abortions for woman of any age w/o parental notice and abortions on demand right up until delivery of the baby. I also despise guns - if there was a way to eliminate all guns, i would love to see them banned. Im R bc I dont want police defunded - i actually want more police. i dont want our border open to everyone - we shouldn't be the world's safety net. I want people to go to jail if they commit crimes, and I think the oppressed/oppressor framework through which many on the left view the world is simplistic and poisonous and that DEI and affirmative action are bad for a merit based society. I also am appalled at the anti-First Amendment views from D party. im an anti-religious, pro-abortion, anti-gun Republican.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know--the idea that manly Republican men are acting manly to cover up insecurity sounds like a cope.

In my dating life, I'm more suspicious of feminist men agreeing with me on everything than I am of men who vote Republican like the vast majority of employed, homeowning men do.

While I disagree with Republican male policy preferences, I think they are honestly held. Whereas with progressive men, I often feel like they being a bit disingenuous and trying to curry favor with me, with their employers, etc.

Did you forget to add "white" employed, homeowning men? Does this mean my white employed husband who is currently a renter not of standing?

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Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread is a common Democratic formulation. “Help me understand Republican women” because I literally cannot fathom how anyone could disagree with any of my political ideas.

Nah this thread was helpful.
Republican women seem motivated by grievances both personal and imagined.
Their legitimate concerns are not improved by voting for republicans, but they don’t seem to be a persuadable voting block. And that’s ok.
There are other constituencies.

Crime and lenient treatment of repeat offenders, lax immigration policies, and inflation are driving many voters of all ages to vote Republican.

Weird to say you're concerned about crime when your side turns a blind eye to mass shootings of our children and wants people with psychological problems and histories of domestic violence to have unfettered access to mass killing weapons to include bump stocks which can let them mow down crowds firing hundreds of rounds in a matter of seconds.

"My side?" We don't have any guns in our home (just a big ole barking black lab) and want stricter gun control. We also want repeat criminals incarcerated or hospitalized long-term.

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Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread is a common Democratic formulation. “Help me understand Republican women” because I literally cannot fathom how anyone could disagree with any of my political ideas.

Nah this thread was helpful.
Republican women seem motivated by grievances both personal and imagined.
Their legitimate concerns are not improved by voting for republicans, but they don’t seem to be a persuadable voting block. And that’s ok.
There are other constituencies.

This. What has also been interesting is the real absence of any ideas to fix the legitimate concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:The labels R and D are misleading bc a good percentage of each support some positions of the other. Im R, but Im an atheist and pro choice (actually pro-abortion). Im for federal funding for abortions for woman of any age w/o parental notice and abortions on demand right up until delivery of the baby. I also despise guns - if there was a way to eliminate all guns, i would love to see them banned. Im R bc I dont want police defunded - i actually want more police. i dont want our border open to everyone - we shouldn't be the world's safety net. I want people to go to jail if they commit crimes, and I think the oppressed/oppressor framework through which many on the left view the world is simplistic and poisonous and that DEI and affirmative action are bad for a merit based society. I also am appalled at the anti-First Amendment views from D party. im an anti-religious, pro-abortion, anti-gun Republican.

Look. I used to be republican too. But if you consider where the GOP is these days, it fails on all three of the adjectives you list.

Labels are unhelpful. I actually believe many of the issues you cite concern many of us. It’s become impossible to have real policy discussions about them though.

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"Does this mean my white employed husband who is currently a renter not of standing?" LOL.

Who said anything about "standing"? I'm just saying that most men are Republicans, and that's even more true when you narrow in to employed men, and it's even more true when you narrow in to employed, homeowning men.

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Men tend to be more conservative than women.
Women are trending more and more liberal.
And republicans answer to that is to take away women’s right to vote:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/north-carolina-gop-candidate-mark-robinson-wants-america-where-women-could-not-vote-1234982773/

Sure this guy is a crack pot. But if you are paying any attention to the very online spaces of right wing male punditry , you see agitation for this.
It wasn’t a year ago that everyone thought birth control was silly to worry about, and now we have elected republicans on the record threatening Women’s rights to it. We have the conservative justices remarking that Griswold wasn’t correctly decided.
They’ve already started moving the discussion that direction.

And even if it’s a loser, it achieves the goal of moving reasonable discussion into the absurd.
And now losing birth control doesn’t seem as extreme.
It’s not like you are losing your voting rights…

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Anonymous wrote:Even on this thread asking for help understanding Republican women, the Democrats won't stop insulting us and accusing us of destroying the country. Why would I vote for a party that clearly hates us?

I mean. You guys aren’t lovable.
Like “ oh those conservative rascals can’t help but push policy that is literally endangering the lives of every woman of childbearing years in the nation. They are giving political cover to a movement that seeks to take away birth control. Those scamps!”

Sorry not sorry.

Abortion is now a state issue.

And it's threatening women's lives because now if they have a medical emergency they may have to drive hundreds of miles to a different state and face prosecution, either that or have to wait weeks for lawyers and judges instead of doctors to decide whether or not it's a medical emergency

So lobby for change at the state level if you can persuade the voters to agree with you. Problem is, the voters of many states including women, don’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread is a common Democratic formulation. “Help me understand Republican women” because I literally cannot fathom how anyone could disagree with any of my political ideas.

Nah this thread was helpful.
Republican women seem motivated by grievances both personal and imagined.
Their legitimate concerns are not improved by voting for republicans, but they don’t seem to be a persuadable voting block. And that’s ok.
There are other constituencies.

And it’s people like you who are going (unfortunately) to elect Trump. Your combination of idiocy and condescension is toxic for Democrats.

Babe, aholes gonna be aholes.
You aren’t gonna convince them not to be who they are. They were never getable voters.
Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Even on this thread asking for help understanding Republican women, the Democrats won't stop insulting us and accusing us of destroying the country. Why would I vote for a party that clearly hates us?

I mean. You guys aren’t lovable.
Like “ oh those conservative rascals can’t help but push policy that is literally endangering the lives of every woman of childbearing years in the nation. They are giving political cover to a movement that seeks to take away birth control. Those scamps!”

Sorry not sorry.

Abortion is now a state issue.

And it's threatening women's lives because now if they have a medical emergency they may have to drive hundreds of miles to a different state and face prosecution, either that or have to wait weeks for lawyers and judges instead of doctors to decide whether or not it's a medical emergency

So lobby for change at the state level if you can persuade the voters to agree with you. Problem is, the voters of many states including women, don’t.

Dp- literally abortion access and rights has won on every ballot at every election since Roe. Ya dum.

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Anonymous wrote:The labels R and D are misleading bc a good percentage of each support some positions of the other. Im R, but Im an atheist and pro choice (actually pro-abortion). Im for federal funding for abortions for woman of any age w/o parental notice and abortions on demand right up until delivery of the baby. I also despise guns - if there was a way to eliminate all guns, i would love to see them banned. Im R bc I dont want police defunded - i actually want more police. i dont want our border open to everyone - we shouldn't be the world's safety net. I want people to go to jail if they commit crimes, and I think the oppressed/oppressor framework through which many on the left view the world is simplistic and poisonous and that DEI and affirmative action are bad for a merit based society. I also am appalled at the anti-First Amendment views from D party. im an anti-religious, pro-abortion, anti-gun Republican.

Ironic.
The R's actually vote against police and law enforcement funding. The D's want more police too.
The D's actually wanted the bi-partisan immigration bill passed, the R's opposed.
The D's want sensible gun laws, the R's don't.
Merit based is great, but there is also making up for structural and institutional racism.

But go on and support a christo-facist regime.