Don't fly United

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, there are some dim people participating here. Federal workers with time to waste maybe.

Former frequent flyer here. I'm furious about this issue because it could have been me.

Or me.

You mean you could have been bumped? Yes. It happens. And maybe this incident will prompt federal regs that actually protect the customer.

But I hope you don't mean that you could have been the crazy person who doesn't listen to the police. I mean, how dumb are you if you opt to ignore instructions from the police?

If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

They had no right to do what they did. It was wrong. You're either a United shill, or some giant apologist who is ready to sell our citizens out to corporations. Either way, it's not a good look.

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The man was knocked unconscious, bloodied, broken nose and lost teeth. Knowing that police will drag you off against your will if you are foolish enough to ignore them, you would still stay put? Even knowing what we all know from this incident? Wow. That's just crazy.

Yes, the airline was wrong. But when the police arrive and tell you to do something---even if they are in the wrong---you should listen. Follow directions and sort it out later. You don't argue with cops...ever...period.

You don't have to obey an unlawful order. This was an unlawful order. If a cop comes to my door and asks for money, I don't have to give it to them. If I'm lawfully in my seat on the airplane, I don't have to give it to them.

+1

Precisely. A jerk neighbor with an agenda could call and say "my neighbor is doing something illegal!" and get all of their drinking buddies to call the cops, but that is not enough reason for the cops to have ten cars show up at someone's house.....

United definitely bit off more than they could chew. If United were smart, they would settle. But the airline also dragged the city into it, when they involved the cops unnecessarily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, there are some dim people participating here. Federal workers with time to waste maybe.

Former frequent flyer here. I'm furious about this issue because it could have been me.

Or me.

You mean you could have been bumped? Yes. It happens. And maybe this incident will prompt federal regs that actually protect the customer.

But I hope you don't mean that you could have been the crazy person who doesn't listen to the police. I mean, how dumb are you if you opt to ignore instructions from the police?

If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

They had no right to do what they did. It was wrong. You're either a United shill, or some giant apologist who is ready to sell our citizens out to corporations. Either way, it's not a good look.

?

The man was knocked unconscious, bloodied, broken nose and lost teeth. Knowing that police will drag you off against your will if you are foolish enough to ignore them, you would still stay put? Even knowing what we all know from this incident? Wow. That's just crazy.

Yes, the airline was wrong. But when the police arrive and tell you to do something---even if they are in the wrong---you should listen. Follow directions and sort it out later. You don't argue with cops...ever...period.

You don't have to obey an unlawful order. This was an unlawful order. If a cop comes to my door and asks for money, I don't have to give it to them. If I'm lawfully in my seat on the airplane, I don't have to give it to them.

You would prefer to be dragged off? Gotcha.

You know once they call the cops, you're getting dragged off. Period.

Haven't you ever seen a person removed from a plane? A pilot or flight attendant can request it if you don't follow their directions.

Dr Dao and his family will be gazillionaires once United settles this. Wrong is wrong is wrong.

[Anonymous]

United CEO already admitted it was NOT overbooked. They had 4 employees that were commuting (on personal passes) to Louisville to work and the ground crew decided that they took priority over a paying passenger. They also showed up at the last minute which is why everyone was boarded - hence, why it was NOT overbooked. If it truly was overbooked, those employees would have been confirmed on that flight (when you commute on personal passes, it is always space available). So- the ground crew protected their on a flight that was not overbooked to accommodate space available employees commuting to work (on personal passes since they didn't live in Louisville as they should have when they were assigned there).

It is all just so wrong on so many levels-the CEO's 1st insulting non-statement.. the email he sent to the employees afterwards saying he was behind them on pulling out this disruptive customer.

Love how Jimmy Kimmel did a United commercial reflecting their attitude- this is the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV28_ENzFog

[Anonymous]

I'll never fly united.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boy, there are some dim people participating here. Federal workers with time to waste maybe.

Former frequent flyer here. I'm furious about this issue because it could have been me.

Or me.

You mean you could have been bumped? Yes. It happens. And maybe this incident will prompt federal regs that actually protect the customer.

But I hope you don't mean that you could have been the crazy person who doesn't listen to the police. I mean, how dumb are you if you opt to ignore instructions from the police?

If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

They had no right to do what they did. It was wrong. You're either a United shill, or some giant apologist who is ready to sell our citizens out to corporations. Either way, it's not a good look.

?

The man was knocked unconscious, bloodied, broken nose and lost teeth. Knowing that police will drag you off against your will if you are foolish enough to ignore them, you would still stay put? Even knowing what we all know from this incident? Wow. That's just crazy.

Yes, the airline was wrong. But when the police arrive and tell you to do something---even if they are in the wrong---you should listen. Follow directions and sort it out later. You don't argue with cops...ever...period.

What makes you think the victims argued with the (suspended) officers?

The Vietnamese physician immigrant did the right thing by staying in the seat he had already paid for. He's a hero. Because of his heroism, the laws will start to protect us, the consumers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boy, there are some dim people participating here. Federal workers with time to waste maybe.

Former frequent flyer here. I'm furious about this issue because it could have been me.

Or me.

You mean you could have been bumped? Yes. It happens. And maybe this incident will prompt federal regs that actually protect the customer.

But I hope you don't mean that you could have been the crazy person who doesn't listen to the police. I mean, how dumb are you if you opt to ignore instructions from the police?

If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

They had no right to do what they did. It was wrong. You're either a United shill, or some giant apologist who is ready to sell our citizens out to corporations. Either way, it's not a good look.

?

The man was knocked unconscious, bloodied, broken nose and lost teeth. Knowing that police will drag you off against your will if you are foolish enough to ignore them, you would still stay put? Even knowing what we all know from this incident? Wow. That's just crazy.

Yes, the airline was wrong. But when the police arrive and tell you to do something---even if they are in the wrong---you should listen. Follow directions and sort it out later. You don't argue with cops...ever...period.

You don't have to obey an unlawful order. This was an unlawful order. If a cop comes to my door and asks for money, I don't have to give it to them. If I'm lawfully in my seat on the airplane, I don't have to give it to them.

+1

Precisely. A jerk neighbor with an agenda could call and say "my neighbor is doing something illegal!" and get all of their drinking buddies to call the cops, but that is not enough reason for the cops to have ten cars show up at someone's house.....

United definitely bit off more than they could chew. If United were smart, they would settle. But the airline also dragged the city into it, when they involved the cops unnecessarily.

+1

I would not have given up my seat either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:United CEO already admitted it was NOT overbooked. They had 4 employees that were commuting (on personal passes) to Louisville to work and the ground crew decided that they took priority over a paying passenger. They also showed up at the last minute which is why everyone was boarded - hence, why it was NOT overbooked. If it truly was overbooked, those employees would have been confirmed on that flight (when you commute on personal passes, it is always space available). So- the ground crew protected their on a flight that was not overbooked to accommodate space available employees commuting to work (on personal passes since they didn't live in Louisville as they should have when they were assigned there).

It is all just so wrong on so many levels-the CEO's 1st insulting non-statement.. the email he sent to the employees afterwards saying he was behind them on pulling out this disruptive customer.

Love how Jimmy Kimmel did a United commercial reflecting their attitude- this is the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV28_ENzFog

Were they in Chicago for personal reasons and not for work? Just wondering -- it would add another terrible layer to this story.

[Anonymous]

The states and local jurisdictions need to stop letting the cops be used to further United corporate interests. This is a waste of tax payer money and takes the police away from doing more important work. If there is a safety or a security issue - then its appropriate for the local police to become involved but removing a passenger because United employees want a free seat? Even if it had been over booked, United needs to compensate the paying passengers that didn't get on or raise the incentives for volunteers not use the CPD as its personal bouncers to save money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:United CEO already admitted it was NOT overbooked. They had 4 employees that were commuting (on personal passes) to Louisville to work and the ground crew decided that they took priority over a paying passenger. They also showed up at the last minute which is why everyone was boarded - hence, why it was NOT overbooked. If it truly was overbooked, those employees would have been confirmed on that flight (when you commute on personal passes, it is always space available). So- the ground crew protected their on a flight that was not overbooked to accommodate space available employees commuting to work (on personal passes since they didn't live in Louisville as they should have when they were assigned there).

It is all just so wrong on so many levels-the CEO's 1st insulting non-statement.. the email he sent to the employees afterwards saying he was behind them on pulling out this disruptive customer.

Love how Jimmy Kimmel did a United commercial reflecting their attitude- this is the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV28_ENzFog

Were they in Chicago for personal reasons and not for work? Just wondering -- it would add another terrible layer to this story.

Not sure if this is true, but supposedly they were assigned to work in Louisville, but live in Chicago because they prefer it, and basically "commute" to Louisville for work. I've seen this as conjecture, do not know if it is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The states and local jurisdictions need to stop letting the cops be used to further United corporate interests. This is a waste of tax payer money and takes the police away from doing more important work. If there is a safety or a security issue - then its appropriate for the local police to become involved but removing a passenger because United employees want a free seat? Even if it had been over booked, United needs to compensate the paying passengers that didn't get on or raise the incentives for volunteers not use the CPD as its personal bouncers to save money.

+ a million. That right there is what is so galling about this case. United used the cops to protect their money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boy, there are some dim people participating here. Federal workers with time to waste maybe.

Former frequent flyer here. I'm furious about this issue because it could have been me.

Or me.

You mean you could have been bumped? Yes. It happens. And maybe this incident will prompt federal regs that actually protect the customer.

But I hope you don't mean that you could have been the crazy person who doesn't listen to the police. I mean, how dumb are you if you opt to ignore instructions from the police?

If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

They had no right to do what they did. It was wrong. You're either a United shill, or some giant apologist who is ready to sell our citizens out to corporations. Either way, it's not a good look.

?

The man was knocked unconscious, bloodied, broken nose and lost teeth. Knowing that police will drag you off against your will if you are foolish enough to ignore them, you would still stay put? Even knowing what we all know from this incident? Wow. That's just crazy.

Yes, the airline was wrong. But when the police arrive and tell you to do something---even if they are in the wrong---you should listen. Follow directions and sort it out later. You don't argue with cops...ever...period.

You don't have to obey an unlawful order. This was an unlawful order. If a cop comes to my door and asks for money, I don't have to give it to them. If I'm lawfully in my seat on the airplane, I don't have to give it to them.

+1

Precisely. A jerk neighbor with an agenda could call and say "my neighbor is doing something illegal!" and get all of their drinking buddies to call the cops, but that is not enough reason for the cops to have ten cars show up at someone's house.....

United definitely bit off more than they could chew. If United were smart, they would settle. But the airline also dragged the city into it, when they involved the cops unnecessarily.

+1

I would not have given up my seat either.

+ 1,000,000
Me neither. Drag me down the aisle, United.
I dare you. (I'm an older woman.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:United CEO already admitted it was NOT overbooked. They had 4 employees that were commuting (on personal passes) to Louisville to work and the ground crew decided that they took priority over a paying passenger. They also showed up at the last minute which is why everyone was boarded - hence, why it was NOT overbooked. If it truly was overbooked, those employees would have been confirmed on that flight (when you commute on personal passes, it is always space available). So- the ground crew protected their on a flight that was not overbooked to accommodate space available employees commuting to work (on personal passes since they didn't live in Louisville as they should have when they were assigned there).

It is all just so wrong on so many levels-the CEO's 1st insulting non-statement.. the email he sent to the employees afterwards saying he was behind them on pulling out this disruptive customer.

Love how Jimmy Kimmel did a United commercial reflecting their attitude- this is the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV28_ENzFog

Were they in Chicago for personal reasons and not for work? Just wondering -- it would add another terrible layer to this story.

Not sure if this is true, but supposedly they were assigned to work in Louisville, but live in Chicago because they prefer it, and basically "commute" to Louisville for work. I've seen this as conjecture, do not know if it is true.

This is true- the employees didn't want to move to Louisville so they stayed in Chicago and flew on personal passes to commute. Personal space-available is NEVER above paying passengers- it is purely space available. So- yes the ground crew got nasty thinking they could get a way with this and that everyone would just oblige - to take care of their buddies. This type of "commuting" on personal passes/stand-by is rampant throughout the airline industry. Flight attendants and pilots are like the mafia of the flying discretion- so glad this story will hopefully put a dent in this horrible practice. I worked for a major airline (not flight attendant) and it was horrible trying to fly anywhere due to this commuting mafia situation- they all logged in exactly when they could and it was a list of 8-10 flight attendants. They all knew the ground staff who also let them check in early, etc. It's wrong. Now- kicking off any paying passenger for a personal commute is extremely wrong.

I remember flying with a friend on personal (both employees, not flight attendants though in this industry everyone assumes a female is a flight attendant). The flight attendants were so nasty and mean! As employees traveling, you lay low- you don't demand anything, complain, just lay low. I remember after we sat down (coach), we were talking and a flight attendant came up and whispered- I am SO sorry, I didn't know you were employees! (by how we are booked it shows employees- not what position we had). She gave us a bag full of little bottles of liquor and wine. Really?? So- if we were paying customers, just get the f*** out of the way. Oh- one of us? so sorry, didn't mean for us to mishandle YOU. It really stuck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:United CEO already admitted it was NOT overbooked. They had 4 employees that were commuting (on personal passes) to Louisville to work and the ground crew decided that they took priority over a paying passenger. They also showed up at the last minute which is why everyone was boarded - hence, why it was NOT overbooked. If it truly was overbooked, those employees would have been confirmed on that flight (when you commute on personal passes, it is always space available). So- the ground crew protected their on a flight that was not overbooked to accommodate space available employees commuting to work (on personal passes since they didn't live in Louisville as they should have when they were assigned there).

It is all just so wrong on so many levels-the CEO's 1st insulting non-statement.. the email he sent to the employees afterwards saying he was behind them on pulling out this disruptive customer.

Love how Jimmy Kimmel did a United commercial reflecting their attitude- this is the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV28_ENzFog

Were they in Chicago for personal reasons and not for work? Just wondering -- it would add another terrible layer to this story.

Not sure if this is true, but supposedly they were assigned to work in Louisville, but live in Chicago because they prefer it, and basically "commute" to Louisville for work. I've seen this as conjecture, do not know if it is true.

This is true- the employees didn't want to move to Louisville so they stayed in Chicago and flew on personal passes to commute. Personal space-available is NEVER above paying passengers- it is purely space available. So- yes the ground crew got nasty thinking they could get a way with this and that everyone would just oblige - to take care of their buddies. This type of "commuting" on personal passes/stand-by is rampant throughout the airline industry. Flight attendants and pilots are like the mafia of the flying discretion- so glad this story will hopefully put a dent in this horrible practice. I worked for a major airline (not flight attendant) and it was horrible trying to fly anywhere due to this commuting mafia situation- they all logged in exactly when they could and it was a list of 8-10 flight attendants. They all knew the ground staff who also let them check in early, etc. It's wrong. Now- kicking off any paying passenger for a personal commute is extremely wrong.

I remember flying with a friend on personal (both employees, not flight attendants though in this industry everyone assumes a female is a flight attendant). The flight attendants were so nasty and mean! As employees traveling, you lay low- you don't demand anything, complain, just lay low. I remember after we sat down (coach), we were talking and a flight attendant came up and whispered- I am SO sorry, I didn't know you were employees! (by how we are booked it shows employees- not what position we had). She gave us a bag full of little bottles of liquor and wine. Really?? So- if we were paying customers, just get the f*** out of the way. Oh- one of us? so sorry, didn't mean for us to mishandle YOU. It really stuck.

That's awful to hear, but thank you for sharing all of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

that's right, because your time is more important than my time - got it.

That's right, I have a plane to fly so give up your seat, or else!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I was on my way to a client session and knew a dozen people were waiting for me, I'd have stayed put. They had no right to pull him from the plane, and I wouldn't have moved either.

that's right, because your time is more important than my time - got it.

That's right, I have a plane to fly so give up your seat, or else!

...How many teeth can you spare? Lol. What a nightmare.