Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Dufief mom here (just catching up after a friend said this chain was wild today): I am so happy to hear this because this has had me concerned recently. I also want to say that I think the ongoing threat of litigation is going to undermine this effort to build a close knit community. Is this something that is being considered for Fallsmead and Lakewood families who, like you, wherever you are from, want this sort of community for all our kids?

Lol nice try. Admire the effort to stop litigation.

The final decision isn’t the vote but what happens after litigation. Let the courts decide what the final decision is. And if it is H, ok let’s go full steam ahead.

Plus litigation, or threat thereof, doesn’t stop community building or cluster wide events. I met plenty of very nice and great Dufief families at the Harlem Wizards game. Yall have a pretty cool principal and I didn’t know yall had a Dragon as a mascot, which is also pretty neat!

Super not an effort to stop litigation--do I think it's frivolous and a waste, sure, but not my waste. I really do worry about the message it sends to the kids of "we are still trying to get you guys to not go to school with them or over there" which feels very counter to trying to build community to me. I come in peace, I promise!

The lawsuit is not at all about not going to school with XYZ group of kids.

I personally am not in conversations with people who make disparaging about kids whether explicitly or implicitly. And if I heard people make those remarks, I would ask them to please shut up.

Every group has its own “crazies”. Someone in the pro H group starts targeting folks by name. Someone else in pro H started calling kids losers.

Regardless of the basis for the lawsuit, I guess the desired outcome is to "not go to school over there with those people" so I guess I am not really sure families and children will be able to work to build community while still hoping it doesn't happen. But I am always open to being wrong and I really hope I am because we do all want the best for our kids, I know that.

And, for sure on the last part--people are unhinged, about...so many things. I don't know about doxxing people (here? Fb?) but I did see the loser comment and thought it was gross. Especially from someone who is not personally impacted by the outcome. I have always asked people to approach others with understanding even if we disagree (reading the book, "I Respectfully Disagree: How to have difficult conversations in a divided world" now and it's great). I think it has been so disheartening/classless to see cluster schools target Dufief or the contingents from Stone Mill and Travilah who also are excited about this new chapter and really hope it stops.

Ignore the question-my friend caught me up and I hear I was name dropped! I feel famous!! Thanks, friends

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Dufief mom here (just catching up after a friend said this chain was wild today): I am so happy to hear this because this has had me concerned recently. I also want to say that I think the ongoing threat of litigation is going to undermine this effort to build a close knit community. Is this something that is being considered for Fallsmead and Lakewood families who, like you, wherever you are from, want this sort of community for all our kids?

Lol nice try. Admire the effort to stop litigation.

The final decision isn’t the vote but what happens after litigation. Let the courts decide what the final decision is. And if it is H, ok let’s go full steam ahead.

Plus litigation, or threat thereof, doesn’t stop community building or cluster wide events. I met plenty of very nice and great Dufief families at the Harlem Wizards game. Yall have a pretty cool principal and I didn’t know yall had a Dragon as a mascot, which is also pretty neat!

Super not an effort to stop litigation--do I think it's frivolous and a waste, sure, but not my waste. I really do worry about the message it sends to the kids of "we are still trying to get you guys to not go to school with them or over there" which feels very counter to trying to build community to me. I come in peace, I promise!

The lawsuit is not at all about not going to school with XYZ group of kids.

I personally am not in conversations with people who make disparaging about kids whether explicitly or implicitly. And if I heard people make those remarks, I would ask them to please shut up.

Every group has its own “crazies”. Someone in the pro H group starts targeting folks by name. Someone else in pro H started calling kids losers.

Regardless of the basis for the lawsuit, I guess the desired outcome is to "not go to school over there with those people" so I guess I am not really sure families and children will be able to work to build community while still hoping it doesn't happen. But I am always open to being wrong and I really hope I am because we do all want the best for our kids, I know that.

And, for sure on the last part--people are unhinged, about...so many things. I don't know about doxxing people (here? Fb?) but I did see the loser comment and thought it was gross. Especially from someone who is not personally impacted by the outcome. I have always asked people to approach others with understanding even if we disagree (reading the book, "I Respectfully Disagree: How to have difficult conversations in a divided world" now and it's great). I think it has been so disheartening/classless to see cluster schools target Dufief or the contingents from Stone Mill and Travilah who also are excited about this new chapter and really hope it stops.

My desired outcome for the lawsuit is to hold MCPS accountable for its decision making, making sure that it complies with all laws, including state laws governing state funding, and does everything in a transparent manner. I'm personally sick and tired of the gross negligence coming from elected officials who appear to be asleep at the wheel. the amount of waste and mismanagement needs to stop.

Yes people here were doxxed. Seems like Jeff removed those comments though.

But anyways, I agree on your respectfully disagreeing point & agree we shouldn't be targeting Dufief or any other contingents from anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Dufief mom here (just catching up after a friend said this chain was wild today): I am so happy to hear this because this has had me concerned recently. I also want to say that I think the ongoing threat of litigation is going to undermine this effort to build a close knit community. Is this something that is being considered for Fallsmead and Lakewood families who, like you, wherever you are from, want this sort of community for all our kids?

Lol nice try. Admire the effort to stop litigation.

The final decision isn’t the vote but what happens after litigation. Let the courts decide what the final decision is. And if it is H, ok let’s go full steam ahead.

Plus litigation, or threat thereof, doesn’t stop community building or cluster wide events. I met plenty of very nice and great Dufief families at the Harlem Wizards game. Yall have a pretty cool principal and I didn’t know yall had a Dragon as a mascot, which is also pretty neat!

Super not an effort to stop litigation--do I think it's frivolous and a waste, sure, but not my waste. I really do worry about the message it sends to the kids of "we are still trying to get you guys to not go to school with them or over there" which feels very counter to trying to build community to me. I come in peace, I promise!

The lawsuit is not at all about not going to school with XYZ group of kids.

I personally am not in conversations with people who make disparaging about kids whether explicitly or implicitly. And if I heard people make those remarks, I would ask them to please shut up.

Every group has its own “crazies”. Someone in the pro H group starts targeting folks by name. Someone else in pro H started calling kids losers.

Regardless of the basis for the lawsuit, I guess the desired outcome is to "not go to school over there with those people" so I guess I am not really sure families and children will be able to work to build community while still hoping it doesn't happen. But I am always open to being wrong and I really hope I am because we do all want the best for our kids, I know that.

And, for sure on the last part--people are unhinged, about...so many things. I don't know about doxxing people (here? Fb?) but I did see the loser comment and thought it was gross. Especially from someone who is not personally impacted by the outcome. I have always asked people to approach others with understanding even if we disagree (reading the book, "I Respectfully Disagree: How to have difficult conversations in a divided world" now and it's great). I think it has been so disheartening/classless to see cluster schools target Dufief or the contingents from Stone Mill and Travilah who also are excited about this new chapter and really hope it stops.

Ignore the question-my friend caught me up and I hear I was name dropped! I feel famous!! Thanks, friends

IDK which one you were, but lol I was name dropped too. And, while I agree not cool, I also felt famous. So look at that, another thing we have in common .

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Dufief mom here (just catching up after a friend said this chain was wild today): I am so happy to hear this because this has had me concerned recently. I also want to say that I think the ongoing threat of litigation is going to undermine this effort to build a close knit community. Is this something that is being considered for Fallsmead and Lakewood families who, like you, wherever you are from, want this sort of community for all our kids?

Lol nice try. Admire the effort to stop litigation.

The final decision isn’t the vote but what happens after litigation. Let the courts decide what the final decision is. And if it is H, ok let’s go full steam ahead.

Plus litigation, or threat thereof, doesn’t stop community building or cluster wide events. I met plenty of very nice and great Dufief families at the Harlem Wizards game. Yall have a pretty cool principal and I didn’t know yall had a Dragon as a mascot, which is also pretty neat!

Super not an effort to stop litigation--do I think it's frivolous and a waste, sure, but not my waste. I really do worry about the message it sends to the kids of "we are still trying to get you guys to not go to school with them or over there" which feels very counter to trying to build community to me. I come in peace, I promise!

The lawsuit is not at all about not going to school with XYZ group of kids.

I personally am not in conversations with people who make disparaging about kids whether explicitly or implicitly. And if I heard people make those remarks, I would ask them to please shut up.

Every group has its own “crazies”. Someone in the pro H group starts targeting folks by name. Someone else in pro H started calling kids losers.

Regardless of the basis for the lawsuit, I guess the desired outcome is to "not go to school over there with those people" so I guess I am not really sure families and children will be able to work to build community while still hoping it doesn't happen. But I am always open to being wrong and I really hope I am because we do all want the best for our kids, I know that.

And, for sure on the last part--people are unhinged, about...so many things. I don't know about doxxing people (here? Fb?) but I did see the loser comment and thought it was gross. Especially from someone who is not personally impacted by the outcome. I have always asked people to approach others with understanding even if we disagree (reading the book, "I Respectfully Disagree: How to have difficult conversations in a divided world" now and it's great). I think it has been so disheartening/classless to see cluster schools target Dufief or the contingents from Stone Mill and Travilah who also are excited about this new chapter and really hope it stops.

My desired outcome for the lawsuit is to hold MCPS accountable for its decision making, making sure that it complies with all laws, including state laws governing state funding, and does everything in a transparent manner. I'm personally sick and tired of the gross negligence coming from elected officials who appear to be asleep at the wheel. the amount of waste and mismanagement needs to stop.

Yes people here were doxxed. Seems like Jeff removed those comments though.

But anyways, I agree on your respectfully disagreeing point & agree we shouldn't be targeting Dufief or any other contingents from anywhere.

I hear where you are coming from, but what would holding them accountable look like? At this point, the school is built and the county is struggling to get more funds. I think that, even if a delay is made, it will be hard to financially justify filling it as a 27th high school at this point, and using a brand new building as a holding school when other buildings are nearing end of life is also not a great decision.

Do you envision other forms of accountability, then? Getting Taylor or others fired? Increased oversight with future use of state funds?

At the same time, I do wonder the extent to which school systems may be allowed to 'move' their schools and the reasons governing this. In the case of Wootton, I agree with you. There's no location based reason why the Crown Farm site is any better than the current one (although it's not worse really either).

Having said that, one thing that stood out to me that Taylor said in a recent meeting was that the Middle School locations were a problem - and that problems will continue existing so long as Hoover and CJMS are right next to each other and we have, on the other hand, various ES to the west. I tend to agree with them there, and think it's a shame that both of those schools were recently rebuilt, as moving one of them west (perhaps somewhere near the Potomac/Travilah ES boundary) would have been better.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Dufief mom here (just catching up after a friend said this chain was wild today): I am so happy to hear this because this has had me concerned recently. I also want to say that I think the ongoing threat of litigation is going to undermine this effort to build a close knit community. Is this something that is being considered for Fallsmead and Lakewood families who, like you, wherever you are from, want this sort of community for all our kids?

Lol nice try. Admire the effort to stop litigation.

The final decision isn’t the vote but what happens after litigation. Let the courts decide what the final decision is. And if it is H, ok let’s go full steam ahead.

Plus litigation, or threat thereof, doesn’t stop community building or cluster wide events. I met plenty of very nice and great Dufief families at the Harlem Wizards game. Yall have a pretty cool principal and I didn’t know yall had a Dragon as a mascot, which is also pretty neat!

Super not an effort to stop litigation--do I think it's frivolous and a waste, sure, but not my waste. I really do worry about the message it sends to the kids of "we are still trying to get you guys to not go to school with them or over there" which feels very counter to trying to build community to me. I come in peace, I promise!

The lawsuit is not at all about not going to school with XYZ group of kids.

I personally am not in conversations with people who make disparaging about kids whether explicitly or implicitly. And if I heard people make those remarks, I would ask them to please shut up.

Every group has its own “crazies”. Someone in the pro H group starts targeting folks by name. Someone else in pro H started calling kids losers.

Regardless of the basis for the lawsuit, I guess the desired outcome is to "not go to school over there with those people" so I guess I am not really sure families and children will be able to work to build community while still hoping it doesn't happen. But I am always open to being wrong and I really hope I am because we do all want the best for our kids, I know that.

And, for sure on the last part--people are unhinged, about...so many things. I don't know about doxxing people (here? Fb?) but I did see the loser comment and thought it was gross. Especially from someone who is not personally impacted by the outcome. I have always asked people to approach others with understanding even if we disagree (reading the book, "I Respectfully Disagree: How to have difficult conversations in a divided world" now and it's great). I think it has been so disheartening/classless to see cluster schools target Dufief or the contingents from Stone Mill and Travilah who also are excited about this new chapter and really hope it stops.

Ignore the question-my friend caught me up and I hear I was name dropped! I feel famous!! Thanks, friends

IDK which one you were, but lol I was name dropped too. And, while I agree not cool, I also felt famous. So look at that, another thing we have in common .

One of my best friends (who I met in 2016 on DCUM---crazy, I know) was one of your OG anti H admins. I know y'all aren't bad people. I'll post on here and bat signal you next time I'm in Fallsmead and we can hang!

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine what the $100K donation could do for the new school, instead of a lawsuit. New uniforms for sports, music and theater needs, STEM equipment...

Nothing compared to the hundreds of millions that MCPS wasted on a school that didn’t need to be built. Imagine what that money could have done not just for Wootton, but Magruder, Damascus, and everyone else.

This is why I don’t get this whole community vs community fight. This is a MCPS BOE mess.

MCPS didn't waste money on building the school, and it made sense at the time. MCPS and the BOE is a hot mess and needs to be held accountable but pitting school against school isn't the way to do it. And, right now, moving Wootton to a safer school per the wishes of parents and staff makes the most sense and if the population expands, they can then remodel it and reopen it as they have with other schools. I don't understand why you wouldn't want your child at a safer, healthier school.

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Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Dufief mom here (just catching up after a friend said this chain was wild today): I am so happy to hear this because this has had me concerned recently. I also want to say that I think the ongoing threat of litigation is going to undermine this effort to build a close knit community. Is this something that is being considered for Fallsmead and Lakewood families who, like you, wherever you are from, want this sort of community for all our kids?

Lol nice try. Admire the effort to stop litigation.

The final decision isn’t the vote but what happens after litigation. Let the courts decide what the final decision is. And if it is H, ok let’s go full steam ahead.

Plus litigation, or threat thereof, doesn’t stop community building or cluster wide events. I met plenty of very nice and great Dufief families at the Harlem Wizards game. Yall have a pretty cool principal and I didn’t know yall had a Dragon as a mascot, which is also pretty neat!

Super not an effort to stop litigation--do I think it's frivolous and a waste, sure, but not my waste. I really do worry about the message it sends to the kids of "we are still trying to get you guys to not go to school with them or over there" which feels very counter to trying to build community to me. I come in peace, I promise!

The lawsuit is not at all about not going to school with XYZ group of kids.

I personally am not in conversations with people who make disparaging about kids whether explicitly or implicitly. And if I heard people make those remarks, I would ask them to please shut up.

Every group has its own “crazies”. Someone in the pro H group starts targeting folks by name. Someone else in pro H started calling kids losers.

Regardless of the basis for the lawsuit, I guess the desired outcome is to "not go to school over there with those people" so I guess I am not really sure families and children will be able to work to build community while still hoping it doesn't happen. But I am always open to being wrong and I really hope I am because we do all want the best for our kids, I know that.

And, for sure on the last part--people are unhinged, about...so many things. I don't know about doxxing people (here? Fb?) but I did see the loser comment and thought it was gross. Especially from someone who is not personally impacted by the outcome. I have always asked people to approach others with understanding even if we disagree (reading the book, "I Respectfully Disagree: How to have difficult conversations in a divided world" now and it's great). I think it has been so disheartening/classless to see cluster schools target Dufief or the contingents from Stone Mill and Travilah who also are excited about this new chapter and really hope it stops.

My desired outcome for the lawsuit is to hold MCPS accountable for its decision making, making sure that it complies with all laws, including state laws governing state funding, and does everything in a transparent manner. I'm personally sick and tired of the gross negligence coming from elected officials who appear to be asleep at the wheel. the amount of waste and mismanagement needs to stop.

Yes people here were doxxed. Seems like Jeff removed those comments though.

But anyways, I agree on your respectfully disagreeing point & agree we shouldn't be targeting Dufief or any other contingents from anywhere.

Out of curiosity… have you ever thought about being part of the change then from the inside? It is so easy to point fingers, to criticize and apparently to sue. We elected the BOE and county council / county executive. How about we hold ourselves accountable? How about we be part of the change either by running for office or working from the inside?

The fact that we revert to litigation as a tactic is crazy and just adds to the mess of a culture we have. How does that help us be constructive with a path forward? It’s wild to me.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...

PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.

Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.

I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.

GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...

PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.

Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.

I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.

GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.

That’s the kind of quitter attitude that doesn’t get you invited to the private planning thread

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...

PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.

Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.

I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.

GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.

This honesty is good. Love it actually. The challenge however is that your coalition has diverse views. You are clear in your reasons as a PP. Others also fighting your same cause are 1000% scared of Gburg FARMS families though and can’t get over increasing diversity.

Kudos for you having a clear perspective and being honest in your own reasons… but you are buddying up with folks that are far more lost in their reasons to be anti-H so unfortunately, the company you keep to further your ends is kinda ick.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...

It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...

PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.

Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.

I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.

GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.

So the 87% of Travilah families we keep getting told oppose the move are just sad about the loss of their…3 hour walk to Wootton?

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Anonymous wrote:Not so sure it's actually viable. But good luck...

Essentially the ones suing don't like the data and they are insisting this Wootton relocation is instead a move. They say it's "carving" up the school. Uh, no. The school clusters are completely intact except for Cold Spring who ASKED to be sent to Churchill. Adding some Fields Rd and Rosemont students- gasp!


Per their press release-

The plan:

The complaint raises concerns that the Superintendent’s recommended “Modified Option H” may have been advanced through a process that lacked required planning analysis and transparency.

The concerns:

The complaint asks the Inspector General to review several issues related to the boundary study and capital planning process, including:

Material Exceedance of Board-Approved Boundary Study Scope as the recommendation exceeds Board’s own The October 30, 2025 amendment that authorized only the consideration of Crown High School as temporary holding space.
Possible predetermined decision-making in the boundary study process prior to completion of the public engagement phase.
Potential misuse or recharacterization of state-approved capital funding for the new Crown High School project.
Failure to conduct transportation, infrastructure, environmental, and safety analyses typically associated with major public infrastructure decisions.
Potential reliance on flawed or incomplete enrollment projections, including modeling that may not account for significant new housing development within the Wootton cluster.
Possible waste or inefficient use of public infrastructure, including repurposing an existing high school facility for indefinite temporary use.
Inadequate documentation and administrative record supporting a major structural change to the county’s high school system.
Defacto school closure, constituting a functional discontinuance of a comprehensive high school under Md. Educ. § 4-109 and COMAR 13A.02.09.


This has led community-based groups to launch a Legal Defense Fund managed by the newly-formed non-profit, the Community and Education Policy Alliance (CEPA,) with plans to sue over multiple aspects of the mismanaged decision-making process.

EDIT: Essentially the ones suing don't like the data and they are insisting this Wootton relocation is instead a CLOSURE.

Misuse of state funds sounds serious.

Serious if true. The problem is they have no evidence. Just vibes.

How do you know they don’t have evidence? Are you a part of their legal team?

I wouldn’t be so quick to say that.

Is it like that AI data video they put out about projections? Their version of alternate facts?

Nope! Guess you’ll just have to wait 😉

And you think opening Crown as a holding school couldn't also be construed as misuse of state funds? LOL

But isn’t that what Taylor proposed as Option G? So you’re saying Taylor proposed misusing state funds?

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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.

Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.

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So when is the OAR fundraising concert at the football stadium for the cepa fund? Gotta mark the calendar!