Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.


Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.


You were never guaranteed a specific school when you bought your house. We are all going through redistricting and changes. You make it sound like Wootton is the only one. The difference is we are dealing with it and if we don't like the changes will move or go private. You all brought this upon yourself by saying the building is immediately unsafe. MCPS is giving you a new school. Be grateful. Many of us would jump at the chance for a new school.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


This honesty is good. Love it actually. The challenge however is that your coalition has diverse views. You are clear in your reasons as a PP. Others also fighting your same cause are 1000% scared of Gburg FARMS families though and can’t get over increasing diversity.

Kudos for you having a clear perspective and being honest in your own reasons… but you are buddying up with folks that are far more lost in their reasons to be anti-H so unfortunately, the company you keep to further your ends is kinda ick.


Woah woah, you are making this seem like it’s akin to how you have conservatives looking the other way as they side with TACO Don. Interesting. I can see it. Overlook the Epstein files and such because he will help you keep more of your wealth and keep the immigrants out who are stealing our jobs.

I guess the parallels are there.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


This honesty is good. Love it actually. The challenge however is that your coalition has diverse views. You are clear in your reasons as a PP. Others also fighting your same cause are 1000% scared of Gburg FARMS families though and can’t get over increasing diversity.

Kudos for you having a clear perspective and being honest in your own reasons… but you are buddying up with folks that are far more lost in their reasons to be anti-H so unfortunately, the company you keep to further your ends is kinda ick.


Woah woah, you are making this seem like it’s akin to how you have conservatives looking the other way as they side with TACO Don. Interesting. I can see it. Overlook the Epstein files and such because he will help you keep more of your wealth and keep the immigrants out who are stealing our jobs.

I guess the parallels are there.


Are we making inroads here on DCUM? As you would say, "whoa, whoa"--this is kinda incredible. Look at us, just a coupla antiandproH parents coming together. If only Israel and it's enemies could do the same. Please DON'T EVEN THINK of killing the current vibe of this chain and turning to geopolical warfare.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


This honesty is good. Love it actually. The challenge however is that your coalition has diverse views. You are clear in your reasons as a PP. Others also fighting your same cause are 1000% scared of Gburg FARMS families though and can’t get over increasing diversity.

Kudos for you having a clear perspective and being honest in your own reasons… but you are buddying up with folks that are far more lost in their reasons to be anti-H so unfortunately, the company you keep to further your ends is kinda ick.


Woah woah, you are making this seem like it’s akin to how you have conservatives looking the other way as they side with TACO Don. Interesting. I can see it. Overlook the Epstein files and such because he will help you keep more of your wealth and keep the immigrants out who are stealing our jobs.

I guess the parallels are there.


Are we making inroads here on DCUM? As you would say, "whoa, whoa"--this is kinda incredible. Look at us, just a coupla antiandproH parents coming together. If only Israel and it's enemies could do the same. Please DON'T EVEN THINK of killing the current vibe of this chain and turning to geopolical warfare.


If you search Epstein files, Wootton is mentioned exactly 1,345,678 times.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


This honesty is good. Love it actually. The challenge however is that your coalition has diverse views. You are clear in your reasons as a PP. Others also fighting your same cause are 1000% scared of Gburg FARMS families though and can’t get over increasing diversity.

Kudos for you having a clear perspective and being honest in your own reasons… but you are buddying up with folks that are far more lost in their reasons to be anti-H so unfortunately, the company you keep to further your ends is kinda ick.


Woah woah, you are making this seem like it’s akin to how you have conservatives looking the other way as they side with TACO Don. Interesting. I can see it. Overlook the Epstein files and such because he will help you keep more of your wealth and keep the immigrants out who are stealing our jobs.

I guess the parallels are there.


Are we making inroads here on DCUM? As you would say, "whoa, whoa"--this is kinda incredible. Look at us, just a coupla antiandproH parents coming together. If only Israel and it's enemies could do the same. Please DON'T EVEN THINK of killing the current vibe of this chain and turning to geopolical warfare.


If you search Epstein files, Wootton is mentioned exactly 1,345,678 times.


I would expect no less from another white slave owner. Epstein and THE TS Wootton had a lot in common.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


So the 87% of Travilah families we keep getting told oppose the move are just sad about the loss of their…3 hour walk to Wootton?


Walking distance isn't the only reason to prefer the current Wootton location. Crown is a much busier area. Some of us don't like the idea of our kids being so close to Rio and Crown during lunch and after school. There's more traffic, and several nearby hotels. I appreciate that not everyone would be bothered by this, but it's just a different environment that isn't what I would have picked.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


So the 87% of Travilah families we keep getting told oppose the move are just sad about the loss of their…3 hour walk to Wootton?


Walking distance isn't the only reason to prefer the current Wootton location. Crown is a much busier area. Some of us don't like the idea of our kids being so close to Rio and Crown during lunch and after school. There's more traffic, and several nearby hotels. I appreciate that not everyone would be bothered by this, but it's just a different environment that isn't what I would have picked.


What’s the ongoing concern about hotels?! Elaborate please. Pharma bros staying at the nearby hotels are a threat? Or is it a concern that our students may check in?! Inquiring minds want to understand this one.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


So the 87% of Travilah families we keep getting told oppose the move are just sad about the loss of their…3 hour walk to Wootton?


Walking distance isn't the only reason to prefer the current Wootton location. Crown is a much busier area. Some of us don't like the idea of our kids being so close to Rio and Crown during lunch and after school. There's more traffic, and several nearby hotels. I appreciate that not everyone would be bothered by this, but it's just a different environment that isn't what I would have picked.


How is this an issue? Tell your kids no.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL at kids being ostracized years from now because parents disagree with boundary studies. I like H so 90% of the community is going to look down on my kid years from now? GMAFB. It's not that deep. Kim, there's people that are dying...


It’s not. It was the pro H poster who first suggested that kids would be ostracized, which—I agree—is just wild.

The 90% was in response to that person.

I’m against H. But I’m not cool with calling kids losers or ostracizing kids.

If H is the chosen option, while I don’t agree, I would work toward building a close knit community.



Also, correct me if I'm wrong but, even if H passes, wouldn't the current Wootton schools be in the majority? And also wouldn't they move into the building with all four grades while just 9th and 10th graders arrive from Fields Road/Rosemont?

So, if anything, DuFief/SMES/Lakewood/TES/Fallsmead will be setting the culture first and are unlikely to be the ones ostracized...


PP here. Very reassuring to hear this viewpoint. I think community building will be more important than ever. I have a lot of concerns about the amount of awfulness being thrown at Dufief right now from the parkway parents. if not for that I would agree with you.


Parkway parent here. One that lol was name dropped. Thanks to whoever did that btw. But I don’t have ill will against Dufief or anyone who supports H.

I don’t agree with H and I will continue to advocate against it. But not cool with name calling kids/parents or ostracizing kids/parents. Also not cool implying that other kids are less then, and not cool calling out Dufief or anyone else.

I think most of us parents on both sides are not crazy. We have more in common than not. Whatever the final decision is, I’m all for working to create a positive culture of kids.


I think the issue is there is harm being done now and the not crazy parents who are anti-h might not be contributing to it but they’re also not taking a stand against it (and they do see it, as we all do both publicly and in their private planning threads). The anti-h parents who are concerned about an increase in the FARMS rate are vocal enough about it that it paints everyone in the anti-h movement with the same brush. And it leaves FRES and Rosemont families feeling like the Parkway parents are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid having to send their kids to school with FRES and Crown kids. I fully believe that is not your intent but the harm is real and it hinders all of our ability to build that positive culture.


GET OFF DCUM. Seriously. This is not the place to get a "feeling" about what real people are thinking. This is the place to hear from a literal handful of people who post over and over.

Look, we're walkers to Wootton. I don't support H because I don't want to trek to Crown every day. Our family's schedule is built around being walkable to school. This will genuinely present logistical problems for us. But, I'm also not contributing to the lawsuit because, as a lawyer, I don't think they have a good case and I don't like throwing money away. We'll just figure out the logistics somehow. But those who are involved with the litigation are fully within their rights and I understand. But I assure you, they are motivated by their own situations, not by you.

The vast, vast, vast majority of anti-H sentiment I have heard, even from the litigious folks, has nothing to do with Rosemont or Fields. If the plan was to send those schools to Wootton where it is, about 95% or more of the kvetching would stop. There are no "private planning threads" (that I've seen) ranting about the minor FARMS increase. Really. Rosemont and Fields are fine. Anyone shouting otherwise on here is probably a troll.

So,.stop thinking it's about you. It's not. People are inherently selfish. We oppose H because it will make our lives more inconvenient and it's bullshit that we have to bear that inconvenience because MCPS are morons. That's it. As I'm always telling my kids - no one is thinking about you anywhere near as much as you think they are. And once this happens, and everyone adjusts and figures out how to make it work, things will settle down and be fine. No one will be ostracized. The kids don't really care one way or the other.


So the 87% of Travilah families we keep getting told oppose the move are just sad about the loss of their…3 hour walk to Wootton?


Walking distance isn't the only reason to prefer the current Wootton location. Crown is a much busier area. Some of us don't like the idea of our kids being so close to Rio and Crown during lunch and after school. There's more traffic, and several nearby hotels. I appreciate that not everyone would be bothered by this, but it's just a different environment that isn't what I would have picked.


There are horels walking distance to current Wootton too. And there's about to be brand new retail across the street from current Wootton kocation. For decades there were multiple rearaurants and other retail across from Wootton. What is the issue exactly? Blair, RM, Northwest, and QO all have retail and busy roads. What is the problem that is unique to Crown??!
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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.


Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.


You were never guaranteed a specific school when you bought your house. We are all going through redistricting and changes. You make it sound like Wootton is the only one. The difference is we are dealing with it and if we don't like the changes will move or go private. You all brought this upon yourself by saying the building is immediately unsafe. MCPS is giving you a new school. Be grateful. Many of us would jump at the chance for a new school.


DP.

It’s true that nobody is “guaranteed” a specific school assignment. But people absolutely make major life decisions based on stable public infrastructure. When families buy homes near a high school that has been in the same place for decades, it’s reasonable to expect that the school itself isn’t going to be moved miles away. That’s not about entitlement—it’s about relying on long-standing public planning when making the biggest financial investment most people will ever make.

And while a new building sounds great in theory, a new building in a different location isn’t automatically an upgrade. A school isn’t just the physical structure; it’s the role it plays in the surrounding community. A brand-new building in a high-traffic urban area doesn’t replace the value of a neighborhood school that students can reach easily and that families feel connected to.

Finally, saying “just move or go private if you don’t like it” really isn’t a serious answer. Public schools are supposed to serve the communities that already exist around them. If there were planning mistakes, enrollment projection errors, or maintenance decisions that created this situation, those should be addressed directly rather than solved by asking one community to absorb the full impact of losing its neighborhood school.
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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.


Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.


You were never guaranteed a specific school when you bought your house. We are all going through redistricting and changes. You make it sound like Wootton is the only one. The difference is we are dealing with it and if we don't like the changes will move or go private. You all brought this upon yourself by saying the building is immediately unsafe. MCPS is giving you a new school. Be grateful. Many of us would jump at the chance for a new school.


DP.

It’s true that nobody is “guaranteed” a specific school assignment. But people absolutely make major life decisions based on stable public infrastructure. When families buy homes near a high school that has been in the same place for decades, it’s reasonable to expect that the school itself isn’t going to be moved miles away. That’s not about entitlement—it’s about relying on long-standing public planning when making the biggest financial investment most people will ever make.

And while a new building sounds great in theory, a new building in a different location isn’t automatically an upgrade. A school isn’t just the physical structure; it’s the role it plays in the surrounding community. A brand-new building in a high-traffic urban area doesn’t replace the value of a neighborhood school that students can reach easily and that families feel connected to.

Finally, saying “just move or go private if you don’t like it” really isn’t a serious answer. Public schools are supposed to serve the communities that already exist around them. If there were planning mistakes, enrollment projection errors, or maintenance decisions that created this situation, those should be addressed directly rather than solved by asking one community to absorb the full impact of losing its neighborhood school.


1. Crown is in a neighborhood, including the beighborhood of current Fallsmead students. It is walkable by current Fallsmead students.

2. Rio and Crown are not urban areas. If is bot downtown DC or even Bethesda (like BCC) Crown is a residential neighborhood wirh retail, like the Kentlands.

3. The majority of kids who currently attend Wootton are not walkers and the school is not in their neighborhood. In fact, the majority of students who go to Wootton live farther away from Wootton than kids who are zoned to other high schools.

4. Yes you can move. Everyone can move if they really want to you are not stuck in your house in Fallsmead.

5. Change is part of life. This is a good lesson for you and to teach your children. And also that things we catastrophize can turn out okay. Because the chances are that once this settles everyone will be just fine and happy at Crown and Crown will be a great school.
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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.


Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.


You were never guaranteed a specific school when you bought your house. We are all going through redistricting and changes. You make it sound like Wootton is the only one. The difference is we are dealing with it and if we don't like the changes will move or go private. You all brought this upon yourself by saying the building is immediately unsafe. MCPS is giving you a new school. Be grateful. Many of us would jump at the chance for a new school.


DP.

It’s true that nobody is “guaranteed” a specific school assignment. But people absolutely make major life decisions based on stable public infrastructure. When families buy homes near a high school that has been in the same place for decades, it’s reasonable to expect that the school itself isn’t going to be moved miles away. That’s not about entitlement—it’s about relying on long-standing public planning when making the biggest financial investment most people will ever make.

And while a new building sounds great in theory, a new building in a different location isn’t automatically an upgrade. A school isn’t just the physical structure; it’s the role it plays in the surrounding community. A brand-new building in a high-traffic urban area doesn’t replace the value of a neighborhood school that students can reach easily and that families feel connected to.

Finally, saying “just move or go private if you don’t like it” really isn’t a serious answer. Public schools are supposed to serve the communities that already exist around them. If there were planning mistakes, enrollment projection errors, or maintenance decisions that created this situation, those should be addressed directly rather than solved by asking one community to absorb the full impact of losing its neighborhood school.


Wootton at Crown is still a neighborhood school that students can reach easily. That doesn't change. And what does it even mean for "families to feel connected" to a specific building?

And Option H IS directly addressing planning mistakes, enrollment projection errors and maintenance decisions. Literally, that is exactly what it is doing.
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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.


Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.


You were never guaranteed a specific school when you bought your house. We are all going through redistricting and changes. You make it sound like Wootton is the only one. The difference is we are dealing with it and if we don't like the changes will move or go private. You all brought this upon yourself by saying the building is immediately unsafe. MCPS is giving you a new school. Be grateful. Many of us would jump at the chance for a new school.


DP.

It’s true that nobody is “guaranteed” a specific school assignment. But people absolutely make major life decisions based on stable public infrastructure. When families buy homes near a high school that has been in the same place for decades, it’s reasonable to expect that the school itself isn’t going to be moved miles away. That’s not about entitlement—it’s about relying on long-standing public planning when making the biggest financial investment most people will ever make.

And while a new building sounds great in theory, a new building in a different location isn’t automatically an upgrade. A school isn’t just the physical structure; it’s the role it plays in the surrounding community. A brand-new building in a high-traffic urban area doesn’t replace the value of a neighborhood school that students can reach easily and that families feel connected to.

Finally, saying “just move or go private if you don’t like it” really isn’t a serious answer. Public schools are supposed to serve the communities that already exist around them. If there were planning mistakes, enrollment projection errors, or maintenance decisions that created this situation, those should be addressed directly rather than solved by asking one community to absorb the full impact of losing its neighborhood school.


1. Crown is in a neighborhood, including the beighborhood of current Fallsmead students. It is walkable by current Fallsmead students.

2. Rio and Crown are not urban areas. If is bot downtown DC or even Bethesda (like BCC) Crown is a residential neighborhood wirh retail, like the Kentlands.

3. The majority of kids who currently attend Wootton are not walkers and the school is not in their neighborhood. In fact, the majority of students who go to Wootton live farther away from Wootton than kids who are zoned to other high schools.

4. Yes you can move. Everyone can move if they really want to you are not stuck in your house in Fallsmead.

5. Change is part of life. This is a good lesson for you and to teach your children. And also that things we catastrophize can turn out okay. Because the chances are that once this settles everyone will be just fine and happy at Crown and Crown will be a great school.


I think some of what you’re saying is fair, but it still misses the core issue people are raising.

First, no one is saying Crown isn’t in a neighborhood. Of course it is. The point people are making is that Wootton has been the neighborhood high school for the communities around it for decades, and the proposal would remove that school entirely from those communities and place it several miles away. Saying that it happens to be walkable for Fallsmead students actually illustrates the concern: it would make the school walkable for a completely different set of neighborhoods while taking it away from the ones it has historically served. That’s not just a boundary adjustment—it’s shifting the geographic center of the school and fundamentally changing which communities the school is anchored in.

Second, while Crown may not be downtown DC, it’s still a very different environment from where Wootton currently sits. The area around Crown is built around major roads, major retail, and significantly higher traffic volumes. Whether someone calls that “urban” or “mixed-use,” it’s simply not the same type of setting as the current Wootton campus. For families thinking about daily drop-off traffic, student drivers, after-school activities, and pedestrian safety, that difference matters.

Third, many Wootton students don’t currently walk—true, but that doesn’t mean proximity doesn’t matter. There’s a big difference between being a short drive away versus being several miles farther in a completely different corridor. Even if most students are bused or driven, the school’s location still affects commute times, traffic patterns, after-school participation, and how connected the school feels to the surrounding community.

Forth, as for “you can move,” that’s technically true for anyone, but it’s not a realistic public policy answer. People choose homes partly based on long-standing public infrastructure like schools. Expecting families to move because the district decides to relocate a high school is very different from asking people to accept a normal boundary adjustment. Public systems are supposed to serve existing communities, not tell those communities they should relocate if the planning changes.

The other thing is how rushed this entire process feels. The proposal to move Wootton is happening on an accelerated timeline, and it’s hard not to see it in the context of larger planning mistakes that the district has made over the past several years—especially around enrollment projections and capital planning. When a major structural change like relocating a long-standing high school is pushed through quickly, it raises the question of whether the goal is thoughtful long-term planning or simply trying to patch over earlier errors. Many residents feel that the district leadership, including Taylor and the Board of Education, is trying to move quickly to create political cover for decisions that didn’t age well.

And yes, change is part of life. Most people accept that. But acknowledging that change happens doesn’t mean every proposed change is automatically the right one. Communities are allowed to ask whether a decision makes sense, whether alternatives were fully considered, and whether the impacts are being distributed fairly. Wanting those questions answered isn’t catastrophizing—it’s participating in the public process that shapes decisions affecting thousands of families.
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Anonymous wrote:Happy Saturday y’all. Dufief mom here. I heard my name was dropped last night. No hard feelings about whomever did that - I just want to say having read this very long thread that kids should be 1000000% off limits, period. We keep our heads held high and stick to facts and our various POV. Make our kids proud for advocating for what we think is best for them and our community. Reading these vitriolic petty attacks makes me feel like I’m in a mean girls movie. Yuck.
Anyway, regardless of what the vote is, I am looking forward to the next phase of building bridges with whomever will be at the new Wootton at either location. Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.


Just saying thanks for this post, that’s all!

Especially appreciate the “Even though I support the rec, this process could have been much more thoughtful and solicitous of affected communities. I respect others pursuing in good faith paths they think might give them clarity even if I don’t agree as to the legal merit. Anything we learn that can improve this process for the ES study will be helpful.”

I’ve long said, if this process was done the right way, starting first with the superintendent coming to the cluster before the option came out to explain it first to us OR coming to visit us within the first week or 2, perhaps we wouldn’t be feeling this frustrated. Personally, I could have been convinced to stay out of the way of it even if I don’t agree with it.

But not like this. This was a sham of a process. I do hope the lawsuit will make MCPS tighten up especially for the ES boundary coming up.


You were never guaranteed a specific school when you bought your house. We are all going through redistricting and changes. You make it sound like Wootton is the only one. The difference is we are dealing with it and if we don't like the changes will move or go private. You all brought this upon yourself by saying the building is immediately unsafe. MCPS is giving you a new school. Be grateful. Many of us would jump at the chance for a new school.


DP.

It’s true that nobody is “guaranteed” a specific school assignment. But people absolutely make major life decisions based on stable public infrastructure. When families buy homes near a high school that has been in the same place for decades, it’s reasonable to expect that the school itself isn’t going to be moved miles away. That’s not about entitlement—it’s about relying on long-standing public planning when making the biggest financial investment most people will ever make.

And while a new building sounds great in theory, a new building in a different location isn’t automatically an upgrade. A school isn’t just the physical structure; it’s the role it plays in the surrounding community. A brand-new building in a high-traffic urban area doesn’t replace the value of a neighborhood school that students can reach easily and that families feel connected to.

Finally, saying “just move or go private if you don’t like it” really isn’t a serious answer. Public schools are supposed to serve the communities that already exist around them. If there were planning mistakes, enrollment projection errors, or maintenance decisions that created this situation, those should be addressed directly rather than solved by asking one community to absorb the full impact of losing its neighborhood school.


1. Crown is in a neighborhood, including the beighborhood of current Fallsmead students. It is walkable by current Fallsmead students.

2. Rio and Crown are not urban areas. If is bot downtown DC or even Bethesda (like BCC) Crown is a residential neighborhood wirh retail, like the Kentlands.

3. The majority of kids who currently attend Wootton are not walkers and the school is not in their neighborhood. In fact, the majority of students who go to Wootton live farther away from Wootton than kids who are zoned to other high schools.

4. Yes you can move. Everyone can move if they really want to you are not stuck in your house in Fallsmead.

5. Change is part of life. This is a good lesson for you and to teach your children. And also that things we catastrophize can turn out okay. Because the chances are that once this settles everyone will be just fine and happy at Crown and Crown will be a great school.


I think some of what you’re saying is fair, but it still misses the core issue people are raising.

First, no one is saying Crown isn’t in a neighborhood. Of course it is. The point people are making is that Wootton has been the neighborhood high school for the communities around it for decades, and the proposal would remove that school entirely from those communities and place it several miles away. Saying that it happens to be walkable for Fallsmead students actually illustrates the concern: it would make the school walkable for a completely different set of neighborhoods while taking it away from the ones it has historically served. That’s not just a boundary adjustment—it’s shifting the geographic center of the school and fundamentally changing which communities the school is anchored in.

Second, while Crown may not be downtown DC, it’s still a very different environment from where Wootton currently sits. The area around Crown is built around major roads, major retail, and significantly higher traffic volumes. Whether someone calls that “urban” or “mixed-use,” it’s simply not the same type of setting as the current Wootton campus. For families thinking about daily drop-off traffic, student drivers, after-school activities, and pedestrian safety, that difference matters.

Third, many Wootton students don’t currently walk—true, but that doesn’t mean proximity doesn’t matter. There’s a big difference between being a short drive away versus being several miles farther in a completely different corridor. Even if most students are bused or driven, the school’s location still affects commute times, traffic patterns, after-school participation, and how connected the school feels to the surrounding community.

Forth, as for “you can move,” that’s technically true for anyone, but it’s not a realistic public policy answer. People choose homes partly based on long-standing public infrastructure like schools. Expecting families to move because the district decides to relocate a high school is very different from asking people to accept a normal boundary adjustment. Public systems are supposed to serve existing communities, not tell those communities they should relocate if the planning changes.

The other thing is how rushed this entire process feels. The proposal to move Wootton is happening on an accelerated timeline, and it’s hard not to see it in the context of larger planning mistakes that the district has made over the past several years—especially around enrollment projections and capital planning. When a major structural change like relocating a long-standing high school is pushed through quickly, it raises the question of whether the goal is thoughtful long-term planning or simply trying to patch over earlier errors. Many residents feel that the district leadership, including Taylor and the Board of Education, is trying to move quickly to create political cover for decisions that didn’t age well.

And yes, change is part of life. Most people accept that. But acknowledging that change happens doesn’t mean every proposed change is automatically the right one. Communities are allowed to ask whether a decision makes sense, whether alternatives were fully considered, and whether the impacts are being distributed fairly. Wanting those questions answered isn’t catastrophizing—it’s participating in the public process that shapes decisions affecting thousands of families.


I totally understand that moving the location makes logistics harder for the neighborhoods immediately adjacent to the current location. That is not a change I would personally want if I lived in that small area.

That being said, the impact on those relatively small number of people should not be determinative of the outcome here. And your own post acknowledges that there are distributed impacts- some families that could not walk under the current boundaries COULD walk under the new one. It is still a walkable school. Possibly even more walkable to a higher number of students.

And I still have no idea what it means to "feel connected" to a building.

Also, I agree that the process could be better. But a process can ALWAYS be better- longer, more engagement, more opportunities for feedback, etc. And arguing process is what people ALWAYS do when they don't like an outcome. We see the same thing happen for every single zoning or development decision.
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And process for closing a school is required by law.
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