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OK, anybody see the images I've been trying to attach here? I am giving up
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He was giving up his own mother, for chrissakes, so not really. I mean, mom was no prize, sure, but she did love him very much. |
I think that's why he did it. He was finished being controlled by Cersei. It was the only way he could win. |
I laughed so hard at this I nearly spit my coffee out through my nose. |
Tommen's suicide was beautifully shot - in fact, that whole beginning sequence and the music throughout were gorgeous. Tommen's death was tragic, and so was Rickon's on the previous episode. Both were just kids, really. They were pawns in the game, never had much of a chance. |
I thought Margaery had more of a plan beyond "The High Sparrow promised me he would set Loras free." She seemed way too clever and strategic to just go out like that. Disappointed that she is gone. She was a formidable foe for Cersei. |
But wasn't Jaime kicked out of the Kings Guard by Tommen? Very confused about this. I think either the PP who chalked it up to the Baratheon line to the throne or the PP who said "Hey, Cersei just did a power grab" is right. |
Nope can't see them. But still doesn't change the fact that in the books her beauty was renown. Even Littlefinger commented on her beauty. |
Cersei's claim to the throne is weak. I think she knows it. But she's going to hold on to it for as long as she can. She's felt for a long time that the men in her life and those with a legitimate claim were too weak or too unfocused or too unskilled to lead. She sees herself as the true heir to Tywin's ruthless ambition and resents the fact that her being a woman made him disregard her as anything other than a pawn for marriages and heirs. |
I can see them! |
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Yeah, I think really elaborate/convoluted plot lines (in literature, tv, and movies) aren't a sign of good writing. They're a sign of bad writing. There's a balance. You want some complexity, but when you make things too convoluted, it means you're trying too hard to make pieces fit. This is a common problem in science fiction and/or fantasy writing. Because there are no rules when it comes to the magical, the key to keeping those stories believable (despite being fantastical) is to have some discipline and stay within the parameters/rules you establish early on. There are some elements of the plot that seem to be grasping at straws. The horn thing seems to be a bit too obscure, even for GoT. For the most part, I liked this season. But I think that that was largely due to the production. The scene with the Night King invading the tree was well done, and really it's because it was so well done that I was able to overlook all of the really problematic plot holes in that story. The same with the battle of the bastards. There were some holes in that, too. Sansa should've said something to Jon about LF's offer. There was no reason for her not to trust Jon. I just don't believe that plot hole. I also don't believe that Ramsey wouldn't have had more forces remaining to protect Winterfell. He had the manpower. He wasn't an idiot. There's no way he would've left Winterfell that vulnerable. And in ALL of those scenes, Ghost was nowhere to be seen. As short on manpower as they were, I can't imagine Jon not keeping Ghost close. Robb Stark always had Grey Wolf with him, and there was mention of all of the men Grey Wolf killed in battle. I mean, I can understand not having Ghost charge initially because he would have been at a disadvantage with everyone on horses, but it just didn't make sense to not have Ghost in any of those scenes. It would have been better (plot-wise) to have fewer Wun Wun scenes and at least have a scene with Ghost than to completely eliminate Ghost from the story. But the initial battle scene itself was so powerful that I was able to look past that. I actually didn't like the scene with Sir Davos and the Red Lady. It was just too easy. And it was not in keeping with Jon's view of justice. He hung a child because that child attempted to kill him, but he lets the Red Lady go after she admits to burning an innocent child alive? I mean, maybe you could say that he had to hang the child because the child would have continued to be a threat. But that scene just didn't sit right with me. I also don't think Sir Davos would have let it go down that way so easily. He was ready to kill her, but he's cool with Jon just sending her away? Also, Sir Davos knows what she is capable of. He's seen her black magic. He has to know that sending her away makes her potentially more dangerous. And there were so many holes in the Westeros story. First of all, Margery was smart. There's no way she would have gone there without Tommen. It also doesn't make sense that the High Sparrow thought that Cercei was just going to show up on her own, that any of them would have proceeded without getting her first. I also don't see how the High Sparrow would have begun the proceedings without the King present, given how much fuss was made about their partnership. I actually think it would have been better if Tommen arrived at the trial and Cercei had to choose between herself and Tommen -- and still chose herself, feeling Tommen had betrayed her. Just my thoughts. I'm excited about next season, but I suspect I'm going to be disappointed. I think that in an effort to wrap it all up, there will be way more plot holes than in this season. I forgot to mention that I was also really disappointed in Arya's story. There is no way she would have survived that stabbing. So many characters on the show died of lesser wounds. They overdid that. They should have made it a more believable wound -- something she could realistically have survived. |
I thought the only reason the Red Lady was still around was because, well, she's been useful for battle and they're also pretty effin scared of her. |
| Is Tommen's the first suicide we've seen in this world? |