Game of Thrones

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Why did Cersei leave Tommen alone during the burning of the city? So stupid -- he has the fortitude of a wet dishrag.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Cersei leave Tommen alone during the burning of the city? So stupid -- he has the fortitude of a wet dishrag.

She just wanted to keep him alive.

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Some other parts of Cersei's prophecy was that her little brother would kill her and that a new queen would rise up to take away everything she has. She just saw her third child die, which I believe she accepted as fate as part of the prophecy, but does she think she just got rid of the new queen (Margery) and has otherwise dispatched Tyrion, so she thinks she is therefore safe? She is not counting on Dany and Jamie, who was born minutes after she was.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is petty, but I expected Lyanna Stark to be gorgeous. Both Robert and Rhaegar wanted here and started a war about it. She was pretty average and plain looking. Why couldn't they have got a hotter actress?

IKR? I mean, she was only dying of hemorrhage GOD WHY WASN'T SHE HOTTER HER HAIR WAS A MESS AMIRITE!?

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Anyone else felt sadness about Tommen's suicide? I think the scene was shot masterfully.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is petty, but I expected Lyanna Stark to be gorgeous. Both Robert and Rhaegar wanted here and started a war about it. She was pretty average and plain looking. Why couldn't they have got a hotter actress?

IKR? I mean, she was only dying of hemorrhage GOD WHY WASN'T SHE HOTTER HER HAIR WAS A MESS AMIRITE!?

+1000

Lyanna

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else felt sadness about Tommen's suicide? I think the scene was shot masterfully.

Yes, it was heartbreaking. He was a genuinely sweet, naive kid.

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I'm sad that Margaery is dead. I liked her character.
I'm curious as to how the information that Bran has (R+L=J) will get to the rest of Westeros. Also curious how the Night King and Walkers will get through the wall. The suggestion about Bran being touched is a good theory. Agree with other PPs that his plot line has had a lot of holes, and has become my least favorite, other than the flashbacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember how when the night King touched Bran and that allowed the king to enter the cave of the three eyed Raven? Does this mean that when Bran crosses the wall the night King will be able to pass?

Oooooooo, hadn't thought of this. I did ponder how they will get past the wall when Benjen left Meera and Bran at the tree and talked to them about how the dead could not pass the Wall, but didn't think of this loophole.

It kind of bugs me that this didn't come up earlier. I mean, the children of the forest should've known that (as well as the former three-eyed raven).

They should've told Bran about being touched by the dude. It seems like a vital piece of information to leave out.

I think the entire children of the forest/bran story line is the one filled with the most holes. I mean, if the dead can't get past the wall, then there never was a problem. But now there is? I mean, Bran's visions led him beyond the wall, but if his going beyond the wall and getting touched by the night king is what enables the army of the dead to invade, then Bran isn't the solution and wasn't all along. He's the problem.

Unless the three-eyed raven and children of the forest wanted him to come out there because they want the night king to get beyond the wall. But that doesn't add up either.

If the night kind knows bran going south of the wall will enable his army to go through it, then he wouldn't have come after bran -- unless he was driving him toward the wall.

I don't know. There are too many holes with that story line. It's the most irritating part of the series.

In the books (which, let's face it, are the only thing that have internal logic, the show is great but whew, it goes off the rails a lot), there's a "Horn of Winter" that supposedly will bring the wall down if it's blown. There's a lot of fan speculation that it's the little, nondescript horn that the crows found near the fist of the First Men north of the wall (in the second season/second book). In the books, Mance claimed to have it, and it was supposedly burned with "his" body (Rattleshirt). But I think that was a red herring. There's also another fancy-dancy horn called Dragonbinder that Victarion has on his ship that he thinks will bind Dany's dragons but that COULD be the Horn of Winter.

The Winds of Winter book has a picture of a horn on it, so I think it's pretty likely this is going to be a plot point soon.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sad that Margaery is dead. I liked her character.
I'm curious as to how the information that Bran has (R+L=J) will get to the rest of Westeros. Also curious how the Night King and Walkers will get through the wall. The suggestion about Bran being touched is a good theory. Agree with other PPs that his plot line has had a lot of holes, and has become my least favorite, other than the flashbacks.

I think R+L=J will only be relevant if Bran makes it to Winterfell or if "the Dragon has three heads" and only Targs can ride them. In that case, there needs to be a third head (in the books it's speculated this is Tyrion and he's really a bastard of Joanna and Aerys).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sad that Margaery is dead. I liked her character.

Me too. I really thought she would somehow manage to get out.

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Why is Cersei on the Iron Throne instead of Jaime? As the male Lannister heir, wouldn't he have a stronger claim to the throne than Cersei?

Cersei was named Queen Regent for her son, until his majority. She previously ruled the country. Jaime gave up the right to hold any kind of lordship when he became a King's Guard.

Legalities doesn't matter than much in Westeros, anyway. What matters most is if you can take it and if you can hold it.

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So Bran comes back through the Wall and becomes -- boom -- the Lord o' Winterfell, as the last true Stark son? Kinda awkward, since the North just declared for Jon, aka the White Wolf. And why don't Sansa and Jon chat about the fates of Arya and Bran, like -- hey, where do you think those two crazy kids are? They've been kinda busy, sure, but it would have been nice. Brienne had seen Arya, but Jon and Sansa don't even ask about her? And hadn't Jon seen Bran, briefly, during a battle north of the Wall, or am I wrong about that? I know Bran saw Jon.

And when they do meet Arya, don't let her be the one preparing the food.

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Did anyone else love Ser Davos' confrontation of Melisandre over her burning Shireen at the stake? I've been waiting for that--so heartbreaking and beautifully acted by all three in the room. Go away, Red Witch!

Agree that Tommen's suicide was very well shot. So sad.

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I actually think it's telling that Cercei didn't seem that upset that he died. Compare how upset she was over Geoffrey's death compared to Tommen's death. I think that she liked that Geoffrey was ruthless, even if his sheer level of ruthlessness even surpassed her own. I think she was actually kind of disgusted by Tommen's compassion and preference for nonviolence. And I think she was even perhaps relieved that he was gone, because she could see he was not going to be the kind of king she thought he should be.

As for Jaimie, I think he is coming to see that Cercei is crazy. Jaimie can be ruthless as well (let's not forget what happened to Bran), but Jaimie's character has grown. I think he is also smarter than Cercei and knows that a ruler who is hated and viewed as crazy won't last long. After all, Jaimie is the one who killed the mad king. I think that scene where he looks at Cercei on the thrown is him starting to realize that Cercei is slightly (if not full on) mad. I think he also might realize that she sent him away for a reason. It will be interesting to see how they interact.

I think Cercei's non-reaction may simply be due to the fact that she has gone over the edge now. Without her children, her last shred of humanity is gone.

I agree about Jamie having mixed feelings as he watched her in the throne room. And Tommen was his child, also. He also has lost all his children, children he never got to love and acknowledge as a father (other than Myrcella at the end. That scene with Myrcella on the boat where they acknowledged each other was so moving.) And Jamie, although capable of a lot of bad shit, is not as far gone as Cercei, so I agree it will be really interesting to see where their relationship goes.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how things will develop between Dany and Jon. Even if it comes to light that Jon is Targaryen, I can't imagine she will readily believe it without seeing him survive fire or some such thing. I don't think Jon is interested in the Iron Throne. Perhaps they will negotiate something.

Another piece of this puzzle is that Tyrion spent time with Jon on the journey to the Wall and then at the Wall. Dany will likely hear about Jon from Tyrion, who came to like Jon (and Jon him) before Tyrion left. And...Sansa was married to Tyrion in Kings Landing and he was just about the *only* person there who treated her with kindness and respect. So it is likely Sansa is predisposed to have kinder feelings towards Tyrion than most other people. Having Tyrion as her advisor may color how Jon and Sansa see Dany.

Anonymous wrote:But the real question in my mind is, what happened to Ghost? I don't recall Ghost getting killed in any of the episodes. Perhaps I missed something?

And will Nymeria come back now that Arya has returned?

I know! I miss Ghost and have always hoped that Arya and Nymeria will be reunited. Corny, I know.

Just one of those things that impresses me about GRRM's writing -- how he put Tyrion in all these places -- like the Wall -- in the first book, knowing that it would be useful far, far in advance. Like the name "Hodor" -- did he think about "Hold the Door" that long ago? Makes you understand why he takes so long to write each book; he has to think 5 moves ahead.

It's taking him that long to write the books because he wandered off from his original plot and doesn't have the slightest clue what to do with the story. He can't finish Winds of Winter, because he doesn't know where he is going. He's going to wait for the TV show to finish it for him and then write the ending that they give him.

GRRM hasn't plotted anything out 5 moves in advance. If he had, his writing would be a lot less bloated and the books would be finished by now.