Tell me what we can do about the guns

[Anonymous]

13% of guns commit 50% of murders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

Look, as a gun owner, who went through the registration process in DC, I don't find it onerous. Aside from the two-day training, it takes less time and effort than getting a driver's license. You only have to take the training once. And anybody who owns a gun should have some formal training.

You can stop the flood of illegal guns, by slowing down the supply. It's much easier to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands by toughening up laws than to go out and find them after the fact. People are opposed to gun laws purely for artificial political reasons. That's dumb and it's costing lives.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that more laws will magically have the effect of “slowing down the supply” of firearms that already are being sold and used in violation of numerous existing laws. If mere laws were the solution, there’d be no drug problem. Criminals are criminals because they decide to ignore the law. Fentanyl is one of the most tightly controlled and regulated drugs in existence. It also is everywhere on the street. More unenforced laws will accomplish nothing. Jailing criminals will.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND THE ILLEGAL GUNS? If cops start searching for those guns - you and the NRA and going to scream until your teeth fall out. The best way to handle this is put reasonable gun controls in place. Right now, gun laws in the U.S. are absurd and the result is 40k lives a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

Look, as a gun owner, who went through the registration process in DC, I don't find it onerous. Aside from the two-day training, it takes less time and effort than getting a driver's license. You only have to take the training once. And anybody who owns a gun should have some formal training.

You can stop the flood of illegal guns, by slowing down the supply. It's much easier to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands by toughening up laws than to go out and find them after the fact. People are opposed to gun laws purely for artificial political reasons. That's dumb and it's costing lives.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that more laws will magically have the effect of “slowing down the supply” of firearms that already are being sold and used in violation of numerous existing laws. If mere laws were the solution, there’d be no drug problem. Criminals are criminals because they decide to ignore the law. Fentanyl is one of the most tightly controlled and regulated drugs in existence. It also is everywhere on the street. More unenforced laws will accomplish nothing. Jailing criminals will.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND THE ILLEGAL GUNS? If cops start searching for those guns - you and the NRA and going to scream until your teeth fall out. The best way to handle this is put reasonable gun controls in place. Right now, gun laws in the U.S. are absurd and the result is 40k lives a year.

The way to FIND THE ILLEGAL GUNS is the same way they’re found now — incident to arrest, incident to a lawful stop, when warrants are executed, and so forth. The difference is that if criminals go to prison instead of getting endless chances at recidivism without consequence, both the suppliers and the users of unlawful firearms will be out of the marketplace. It doesn’t take cordon and search operations. And the people who decry proven effective “broken windows policing” and targeted stop and frisk efforts are hardly Second Amendment supporters.

We probably agree (albeit for widely divergent reasons) that the current firearm laws are absurd. What is even more absurd, however, is the childlike belief that more laws will do anything if the existing laws are not enforced.

[Anonymous]

It’s too late if there has already been “an incident.” Wake up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

Look, as a gun owner, who went through the registration process in DC, I don't find it onerous. Aside from the two-day training, it takes less time and effort than getting a driver's license. You only have to take the training once. And anybody who owns a gun should have some formal training.

You can stop the flood of illegal guns, by slowing down the supply. It's much easier to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands by toughening up laws than to go out and find them after the fact. People are opposed to gun laws purely for artificial political reasons. That's dumb and it's costing lives.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that more laws will magically have the effect of “slowing down the supply” of firearms that already are being sold and used in violation of numerous existing laws. If mere laws were the solution, there’d be no drug problem. Criminals are criminals because they decide to ignore the law. Fentanyl is one of the most tightly controlled and regulated drugs in existence. It also is everywhere on the street. More unenforced laws will accomplish nothing. Jailing criminals will.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND THE ILLEGAL GUNS? If cops start searching for those guns - you and the NRA and going to scream until your teeth fall out. The best way to handle this is put reasonable gun controls in place. Right now, gun laws in the U.S. are absurd and the result is 40k lives a year.

No gun is illegal. Lowers are lowers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s too late if there has already been “an incident.” Wake up.

Sorry. You’re the one dreaming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

Look, as a gun owner, who went through the registration process in DC, I don't find it onerous. Aside from the two-day training, it takes less time and effort than getting a driver's license. You only have to take the training once. And anybody who owns a gun should have some formal training.

You can stop the flood of illegal guns, by slowing down the supply. It's much easier to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands by toughening up laws than to go out and find them after the fact. People are opposed to gun laws purely for artificial political reasons. That's dumb and it's costing lives.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that more laws will magically have the effect of “slowing down the supply” of firearms that already are being sold and used in violation of numerous existing laws. If mere laws were the solution, there’d be no drug problem. Criminals are criminals because they decide to ignore the law. Fentanyl is one of the most tightly controlled and regulated drugs in existence. It also is everywhere on the street. More unenforced laws will accomplish nothing. Jailing criminals will.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND THE ILLEGAL GUNS? If cops start searching for those guns - you and the NRA and going to scream until your teeth fall out. The best way to handle this is put reasonable gun controls in place. Right now, gun laws in the U.S. are absurd and the result is 40k lives a year.

No gun is illegal. Lowers are lowers.

Huh?

[Anonymous]

The “gun is a symbol of American freedom” crowd has become so unable to compromise and unreasonable that they have lost all credibility. Again, I say that as a gun owner in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

First, donate to Demand Justice. We can’t regulate guns with this Republican Supreme Court. Demand Justice is working on fixing that.

Second, educate everyone you know that the second amendment interpretation we live under today was MADE UP by Republican Supreme Court justices.
Scalia did this, because flooding our streets with guns enriches a major GOP lobby: gun manufacturers. Also, it gets votes for GOP politicians. Gun identity politics (“I love my guns don’t take my guns I don’t care who gets hurt”) gets votes for radical rightwingers who also cut billionaires’ taxes. Many of them wouldn’t be elected if not for the gun-lovers. The Fed Soc Supreme Court justices know this and act accordingly.

Your “understanding” of Second Amendment jurisprudence is utterly without foundation or understanding of even the most basic foundational documents.

As for politically motivated Supreme Court panels making things up, let’s just say there are plenty of quite obvious examples at hand, at least one of which has cost millions of lives.

Are you talking about when they made George W. Bush president? That’s a pretty traumatic memory let’s not get into it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This country understands money so that's where I would go. Tax those guns and make them require pricey insurance. Violations would result in confiscation, etc. No one's constitutional bs rights are violated in the process.

Right. Because the people shooting innocent children in DC pay taxes and purchase guns legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

First, donate to Demand Justice. We can’t regulate guns with this Republican Supreme Court. Demand Justice is working on fixing that.

Second, educate everyone you know that the second amendment interpretation we live under today was MADE UP by Republican Supreme Court justices.
Scalia did this, because flooding our streets with guns enriches a major GOP lobby: gun manufacturers. Also, it gets votes for GOP politicians. Gun identity politics (“I love my guns don’t take my guns I don’t care who gets hurt”) gets votes for radical rightwingers who also cut billionaires’ taxes. Many of them wouldn’t be elected if not for the gun-lovers. The Fed Soc Supreme Court justices know this and act accordingly.

Your “understanding” of Second Amendment jurisprudence is utterly without foundation or understanding of even the most basic foundational documents.

As for politically motivated Supreme Court panels making things up, let’s just say there are plenty of quite obvious examples at hand, at least one of which has cost millions of lives.

Are you talking about when they made George W. Bush president? That’s a pretty traumatic memory let’s not get into it.

I think you know precisely what I’m talking about and it ain’t “W.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

First, donate to Demand Justice. We can’t regulate guns with this Republican Supreme Court. Demand Justice is working on fixing that.

Second, educate everyone you know that the second amendment interpretation we live under today was MADE UP by Republican Supreme Court justices.
Scalia did this, because flooding our streets with guns enriches a major GOP lobby: gun manufacturers. Also, it gets votes for GOP politicians. Gun identity politics (“I love my guns don’t take my guns I don’t care who gets hurt”) gets votes for radical rightwingers who also cut billionaires’ taxes. Many of them wouldn’t be elected if not for the gun-lovers. The Fed Soc Supreme Court justices know this and act accordingly.

Your “understanding” of Second Amendment jurisprudence is utterly without foundation or understanding of even the most basic foundational documents.

As for politically motivated Supreme Court panels making things up, let’s just say there are plenty of quite obvious examples at hand, at least one of which has cost millions of lives.

Are you talking about when they made George W. Bush president? That’s a pretty traumatic memory let’s not get into it.

I think you know precisely what I’m talking about and it ain’t “W.”

Actually… I don’t. What on Earth are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

You do realize that this is ridiculous right? Read the DC Crime blotter. Look how many arrests are made for unregistered / unlicensed guns. Do you think any of these gang members and criminals shooting into houses have registered guns they pay taxes on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

You both seem to naively think that people go about getting guns and ammo in LEGAL ways.

All kinds of nope on this. Open your eyes.

[Anonymous]

What exactly is the objective of a tax on ammunition?

All it would do is reduce the number of law abiding people going to the range to practice shooting or sportsman clearing nuisance deer.

Mass shooters and gang bangers don't care one bit. Ammunition is key to their thing. All you do is hurt the law abiding marginal buyers.

That all said, a punitive tax on ammunition would be rightly deemed unconstitutional.