Tell me what we can do about the guns
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Anonymous
This is actually right. Ammo is not the problem. It's the guns themselves. This is not a problem that can be solved with taxes or insurance. I doubt liability laws would even work. We need sensible regulations that make people jump through a reasonable number of hurdles to get a gun license. There should be limits on the number of guns people can buy. Private sales should be severely restricted. |
Anonymous
Kindly provide a list of “hurdles” you consider reasonable. Please list what you think would constitute “sensible” regulations. Please explain how a limit on the number of guns people can buy would operate, and how that would impact the criminal misuse of firearms. Please specify what “severe” restrictions you advocate on private sale of firearms. Because all you’ve proposed so far are a bunch of empty generalities. |
Anonymous
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Look at Switzerland you guys- lots of guns, but very strict laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland
Why can’t we do the same? Why don’t we value life enough to do so? |
Anonymous
Well, obviously you don't think there is such a thing as a reasonable gun regulation. Hurdles: 1. 30-day period between purchase and delivery for a background check for every gun sold. 2. 40-hour course for ownership of a handgun or any gun with a magazine or more than three bullets. 3. Five-year renewable term for all gun licenses. 4. Ban on magazines with more than seven bullets - (excluding special circumstances such as demonstrated need for rodent or hog extermination.) 5. Limiting the number of guns a person can purchase in a given term - say 5 guns over a five year period would curtail strawman purchases of guns where someone buys 50 guns and then sells them privately to people who could not qualify for gun ownership. This is a leading conduit for guns ending up on the streets. 6. Ban private sales so the purchase of any gun must go through a third party that reports the sale to state and feds. (Again - aimed at curtailing guns ending up on the streets.) |
Anonymous
People in Switzerland have army-issued MACHINE GUNS and ammunition at home. |
Anonymous
1. 30 day background check delay: What is the purpose of a 30 day delay when background checks can be, and are, conducted virtually instantly right now in connection with the vast majority of firearm sales in the US, and certainly in DC, MD and VA? 2. 40 hours training except for guns with magazines that hold only 3 “bullets:” How do you get to 40 hours? Curriculum? Cost? Why 3 “bullets?” Why not 2? Why not 4? 3. Five year renewable term for all gun licenses. Are you aware that, for the most part, there are no “gun licenses” other than carry permits, which typically run for less than five years. What purpose would such a license serve? What about existing gun owners? 4. 7-round magazine limit: How do you get to 7? What gun are you using on rats, for God’s sake? And how are hogs different than other invasive vermin? What about self-defense? Do you not recognize that right? 5. Limit on purchases to stop straw sales: Straw sales are already unlawful. Multiple sales are already reported to ATF. How do you arrive at 5 per year? Why no 4? Why not 6? 6. Ban on private sales: Criminals aren’t using guns they purchase privately in any legitimate way. Responsible gun owners are also responsible private sellers. In any event, at least 2 of 3 local jurisdictions already require private handgun sales to go through dealers, with no discernible impact on crime. Your “wish list” is just the same tired talking points we’ve been hearing for years, with their proponents all the while refusing to hold criminals accountable under the vast body of existing firearm regulation. Your proposals for magazine capacity limits are arbitrary and have no reference to guns that actually exist. Your idea that gun owners should be licensed is a synonym for registration, which has at best a tenuous relationship, if any, to crime reduction and raises legitimate fear in the minds of decent people. Much of what you propose is already the law in DC, MD and Virginia anyway. The fact remains that law abiding people obey the law and criminals don’t. Lock up the criminals and prevent crime. When every firearm related crime is fully prosecuted with maximum sentences, come back with your idea that more laws will make things even better. |
Anonymous
This is because the problem is not the guns, but the scum of society. Switzerland has a far lower percentage of scum |
Anonymous
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The new Texas abortion ban gives every state a new framework for severely curtailing firearms. You don't go after the gun owner - you go after those who sell the firearms and severely limit their ability to operate.
The Supreme Court just opened pandora's box. It's going to be an Interstate Commerce clusterf#ck. |
Anonymous
We're not supposed to notice that, and certainly not to say. |
Anonymous
Is there any evidence that the US just has more “scum?” What do you mean by “scum?” |
Anonymous
I'm fine with that, but it will have zero impact on criminals. |
Anonymous
Well, just look at the crime rate for all other crimes. The crime rate in Switzerland (and most other civilized countries) of all types that do NOT involve guns is already MUCH MUCH lower than in the U.S. The citizens of europe have much lower proclivity towards violence and other types of crime. Take a group of people with a natural proclivity toward crime (united states citizens) and arm them with guns, and you have a problem. Arm decent, law abiding citizens with guns and you do not have a problem. What's the mystery here? |
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote: What exactly is the objective of a tax on ammunition? All it would do is reduce the number of law abiding people going to the range to practice shooting or sportsman clearing nuisance deer. Mass shooters and gang bangers don't care one bit. Ammunition is key to their thing. All you do is hurt the law abiding marginal buyers. That all said, a punitive tax on ammunition would be rightly deemed unconstitutional. This is actually right. Ammo is not the problem. It's the guns themselves. This is not a problem that can be solved with taxes or insurance. I doubt liability laws would even work. We need sensible regulations that make people jump through a reasonable number of hurdles to get a gun license. There should be limits on the number of guns people can buy. Private sales should be severely restricted. Kindly provide a list of “hurdles” you consider reasonable. Please list what you think would constitute “sensible” regulations. Please specify what “severe” restrictions you advocate on private sale of firearms. Please explain how a limit on the number of guns people can buy would operate, and how that would impact the criminal misuse of firearms. Because all you’ve proposed so far are a bunch of empty generalities. Well, obviously you don't think there is such a thing as a reasonable gun regulation. Hurdles: 1. 30-day period between purchase and delivery for a background check for every gun sold. 2. 40-hour course for ownership of a handgun or any gun with a magazine or more than three bullets. 3. Five-year renewable term for all gun licenses. 4. Ban on magazines with more than seven bullets - (excluding special circumstances such as demonstrated need for rodent or hog extermination.) 5. Limiting the number of guns a person can purchase in a given term - say 5 guns over a five year period would curtail strawman purchases of guns where someone buys 50 guns and then sells them privately to people who could not qualify for gun ownership. This is a leading conduit for guns ending up on the streets. 6. Ban private sales so the purchase of any gun must go through a third party that reports the sale to state and feds. (Again - aimed at curtailing guns ending up on the streets.) 1. 30 day background check delay: What is the purpose of a 30 day delay when background checks can be, and are, conducted virtually instantly right now in connection with the vast majority of firearm sales in the US, and certainly in DC, MD and VA? An instant background check is superficial. I real background check would include interviews with actual people including workplace, friends and family 2. 40 hours training except for guns with magazines that hold only 3 “bullets:” How do you get to 40 hours? Curriculum? Cost? Why 3 “bullets?” Why not 2? Why not 4? Three bullets/or shells would ensure the vast majority of hunters would not be impacted. There is a three shell limit for most bird hunters - for instance. 3. Five year renewable term for all gun licenses. Are you aware that, for the most part, there are no “gun licenses” other than carry permits, which typically run for less than five years. What purpose would such a license serve? What about existing gun owners? I'd grandfather folks in if that helped it make a reality. 4. 7-round magazine limit: How do you get to 7? What gun are you using on rats, for God’s sake? And how are hogs different than other invasive vermin? What about self-defense? Do you not recognize that right? Mant Shotguns have a seven shell capacity. Hogs, vermin - what ever. If you have a legit reason to have more than seven shots - I see an opening for exceptions that could form a compromise. Home defense  Really. Seven is plenty.
5. Limit on purchases to stop straw sales: Straw sales are already unlawful. Multiple sales are already reported to ATF. How do you arrive at 5 per year? Why no 4? Why not 6? I don;t have a magic number. I say five, but if six is fine too. There has to be limit. 300 million guns in private hands are too many and 40k deaths a year are the proof. 6. Ban on private sales: Criminals aren’t using guns they purchase privately in any legitimate way. Responsible gun owners are also responsible private sellers. In any event, at least 2 of 3 local jurisdictions already require private handgun sales to go through dealers, with no discernible impact on crime. Here you are just being a moron. Responsible gun owners sell to irresponsible gun owners. That's how they guns get into the wrong hands. Your “wish list” is just the same tired talking points we’ve been hearing for years, with their proponents all the while refusing to hold criminals accountable under the vast body of existing firearm regulation. Your proposals for magazine capacity limits are arbitrary and have no reference to guns that actually exist. Your idea that gun owners should be licensed is a synonym for registration, which has at best a tenuous relationship, if any, to crime reduction and raises legitimate fear in the minds of decent people. Much of what you propose is already the law in DC, MD and Virginia anyway. The fact remains that law abiding people obey the law and criminals don’t. Lock up the criminals and prevent crime. When every firearm related crime is fully prosecuted with maximum sentences, come back with your idea that more laws will make things even better. |
Anonymous
Can you provide where you are getting these crime numbers please? I actually am not sure that the rate of crime in Europe is lower. Also, given your initial assumption (that there is less crime in Europe), you are making a lot of connections here randomly. How do you know that there are not other conditions in Europe that help facilitate a lower crime rate? Why do you assume that people in the US just have a higher "proclivity" towards crime? That just seems like a lack of coherent thinking. There is no such thing that I know of as a "natural proclivity" towards crime. Can you share your source for that term? The reason could be something entirely unrelated. Perhaps giving mothers parental leave starts children off better, leading to lower crime. Perhaps the fact that Europeans have better access to healthcare, more vacation time, less poverty, are all contributing factors? Also, you state that US citizens have a "proclivity" towards violence, and then state that you need to arm them anyway. Do you see how that makes no sense whatsoever? |
Anonymous
True. At least the scum isn't into the same violent crimes that ours is, they prefer white collar crime. |