Tell me what we can do about the guns

[Anonymous]

How are you going to get guns away from “the bad guys?” How????

[Anonymous]

Freedom =/= keeping a weapon of war in your house

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.

Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.

"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/

This seems like a really tortured argument to me. Violence is a problem because children get federal assistance, not because every idiot that wants a gun can get one? What???

“Every idiot that wants a gun can get one.”

Really? The multitude of federal and local laws and regulations governing firearms never prevent a single person from obtaining a firearm? Yeah, that’s probably not true. And there are numerous laws that make it unlawful for certain persons (felons, for example) to obtain or possess firearms. When those laws are enforced people with unlawful firearms don’t have them any more and they go to jail. There are other laws prohibiting criminal misuse of firearms. When those are enforced criminals go to jail.

As superficially satisfying as emotional hyperbole may be, it really does nothing to move the ball down the field toward reduced crime.

That’s “probably” not true?

Gun show sales and other loopholes basically give US gun laws no teeth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.

Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.

"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/

This seems like a really tortured argument to me. Violence is a problem because children get federal assistance, not because every idiot that wants a gun can get one? What???

“Every idiot that wants a gun can get one.”

Really? The multitude of federal and local laws and regulations governing firearms never prevent a single person from obtaining a firearm? Yeah, that’s probably not true. And there are numerous laws that make it unlawful for certain persons (felons, for example) to obtain or possess firearms. When those laws are enforced people with unlawful firearms don’t have them any more and they go to jail. There are other laws prohibiting criminal misuse of firearms. When those are enforced criminals go to jail.

As superficially satisfying as emotional hyperbole may be, it really does nothing to move the ball down the field toward reduced crime.

That’s “probably” not true?

Gun show sales and other loopholes basically give US gun laws no teeth.

No, what give gun laws no teeth is that police don't actually go in and enforce laws in dangerous neighborhoods. They'd rather hand out speeding tickets and not put themselves in danger. ALthough, the bigger factor is a neutered prosecutor's office. Slap on the wrist, revolving door between prison and DC neighborhoods. The worst people will always get guns so the best thing to do is just lock the bad apples up and throw away the key

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Freedom =/= keeping a weapon of war in your house

Kindly define “weapon of war.” Hammers have been used as weapons of war. So have axes. What’re you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.

Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.

"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/

This seems like a really tortured argument to me. Violence is a problem because children get federal assistance, not because every idiot that wants a gun can get one? What???

“Every idiot that wants a gun can get one.”

Really? The multitude of federal and local laws and regulations governing firearms never prevent a single person from obtaining a firearm? Yeah, that’s probably not true. And there are numerous laws that make it unlawful for certain persons (felons, for example) to obtain or possess firearms. When those laws are enforced people with unlawful firearms don’t have them any more and they go to jail. There are other laws prohibiting criminal misuse of firearms. When those are enforced criminals go to jail.

As superficially satisfying as emotional hyperbole may be, it really does nothing to move the ball down the field toward reduced crime.

That’s “probably” not true?

Gun show sales and other loopholes basically give US gun laws no teeth.

Could you tell us what percentage of crime guns are bought at gun shows?

What “other loopholes?”

If existing laws were enforced, the criminal misuse of firearms would plummet. And, unlike the “magic magnet” that would spontaneously remove all guns from existence, enforcement could actually happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Freedom =/= keeping a weapon of war in your house

We live in DC with a concealed carry permit and gun in our home in a biometric safe and feel fine about it. We were carefully vetted and follow all laws and safety protocols.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedom =/= keeping a weapon of war in your house

We live in DC with a concealed carry permit and gun in our home in a biometric safe and feel fine about it. We were carefully vetted and follow all laws and safety protocols.

I don’t mind gun ownership with this level of responsible behavior but I want gun owners to be held liable when they fail to meet these standards and I don’t want people who are violent, mentally ill, or irresponsible to have access to guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not like this is new to DC. Crime was much worst in past decades. The actual solution is something that is distasteful to most.

Impose limits on welfare because now no one has incentive to ever leave bc if they do they lose very generous benefits they can't get elsewhere. When you basically decide you are stuck in one place, you tend to ignore a lot of the bad that goes on around you. It sucks but it is easier to deal with because you can just cobble together a life and you feel like things are ok - not great but not horrible. If you leave you have to work harder and maybe it won't be as easy to cobble things together and you lose a little of what of you have built up. So yes, no one wants to live that way with violence but the alternative might be too much complaining and you up end the apple cart and things start to change away from your favor. When you think about it, how many families who children have been victims of shootings have moved away from their neighborhoods. Sadly there are times they interview families on the news who talk about multiple children or family members being shot but even then they continue to live in the same place, often with young kids with them.

"Last year, DC leaders took the bold step to make this jurisdiction the first in the country to entirely eliminate a harmful time limit that would have permanently cut 10,000 children from assistance. "
https://www.dcfpi.org/all/22-years-after-federal-changes-to-welfare-dc-stands-out-as-a-rare-success-for-families/

This seems like a really tortured argument to me. Violence is a problem because children get federal assistance, not because every idiot that wants a gun can get one? What???

“Every idiot that wants a gun can get one.”

Really? The multitude of federal and local laws and regulations governing firearms never prevent a single person from obtaining a firearm? Yeah, that’s probably not true. And there are numerous laws that make it unlawful for certain persons (felons, for example) to obtain or possess firearms. When those laws are enforced people with unlawful firearms don’t have them any more and they go to jail. There are other laws prohibiting criminal misuse of firearms. When those are enforced criminals go to jail.

As superficially satisfying as emotional hyperbole may be, it really does nothing to move the ball down the field toward reduced crime.

That’s “probably” not true?

Gun show sales and other loopholes basically give US gun laws no teeth.

Can you elaborate?

Perhaps you should go to a gun show in VA and try to purchase a gun illegally, see what happens.

[Anonymous]

"No, what give gun laws no teeth is that police don't actually go in and enforce laws in dangerous neighborhoods."

This is dumb. There are flood of illegal guns on the streets. If you are "concerned" about Constitutional rights, imagine how you would feel if cops started house to house searches for guns. There are 300 million guns in private hands in the U.S. - millions end up in the wrong hands.

I say this as a gun owner in DC. I wish the entire U.S. had DC's gun laws. It is very difficult to purchase a gun in the District. It involves red tape and at least two trips to the Indiana Ave. If the rest of the country did it like DC, we would save a lot of lives.

[Anonymous]

“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

First, donate to Demand Justice. We can’t regulate guns with this Republican Supreme Court. Demand Justice is working on fixing that.

Second, educate everyone you know that the second amendment interpretation we live under today was MADE UP by Republican Supreme Court justices.
Scalia did this, because flooding our streets with guns enriches a major GOP lobby: gun manufacturers. Also, it gets votes for GOP politicians. Gun identity politics (“I love my guns don’t take my guns I don’t care who gets hurt”) gets votes for radical rightwingers who also cut billionaires’ taxes. Many of them wouldn’t be elected if not for the gun-lovers. The Fed Soc Supreme Court justices know this and act accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

Look, as a gun owner, who went through the registration process in DC, I don't find it onerous. Aside from the two-day training, it takes less time and effort than getting a driver's license. You only have to take the training once. And anybody who owns a gun should have some formal training.

You can stop the flood of illegal guns, by slowing down the supply. It's much easier to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands by toughening up laws than to go out and find them after the fact. People are opposed to gun laws purely for artificial political reasons. That's dumb and it's costing lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“There [is] a flood of illegal guns on the street.”

Each and every one of which represents a violation of [typically multiple] existing federal and state law(s). Where are the prosecutions?

As for converting the whole country to DC’s onerous and highly questionable laws (which are not very different from the laws in many other places), how will that stop the “flood of illegal guns” that already are in violation of those laws.

Look, as a gun owner, who went through the registration process in DC, I don't find it onerous. Aside from the two-day training, it takes less time and effort than getting a driver's license. You only have to take the training once. And anybody who owns a gun should have some formal training.

You can stop the flood of illegal guns, by slowing down the supply. It's much easier to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands by toughening up laws than to go out and find them after the fact. People are opposed to gun laws purely for artificial political reasons. That's dumb and it's costing lives.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that more laws will magically have the effect of “slowing down the supply” of firearms that already are being sold and used in violation of numerous existing laws. If mere laws were the solution, there’d be no drug problem. Criminals are criminals because they decide to ignore the law. Fentanyl is one of the most tightly controlled and regulated drugs in existence. It also is everywhere on the street. More unenforced laws will accomplish nothing. Jailing criminals will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

First, donate to Demand Justice. We can’t regulate guns with this Republican Supreme Court. Demand Justice is working on fixing that.

Second, educate everyone you know that the second amendment interpretation we live under today was MADE UP by Republican Supreme Court justices.
Scalia did this, because flooding our streets with guns enriches a major GOP lobby: gun manufacturers. Also, it gets votes for GOP politicians. Gun identity politics (“I love my guns don’t take my guns I don’t care who gets hurt”) gets votes for radical rightwingers who also cut billionaires’ taxes. Many of them wouldn’t be elected if not for the gun-lovers. The Fed Soc Supreme Court justices know this and act accordingly.

Your “understanding” of Second Amendment jurisprudence is utterly without foundation or understanding of even the most basic foundational documents.

As for politically motivated Supreme Court panels making things up, let’s just say there are plenty of quite obvious examples at hand, at least one of which has cost millions of lives.