HBO The Undoing

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Anonymous wrote:I also think it’s Donald Sutherland. I suspect that he’s the baby’s father, too. Why else would he walk over to the apartment to stare into the window?

Henry the son has brown eyes. Kidman and Grant have blue eyes. I wonder if Kidman also had affairs and we’ll find out that Henry is not actually Grant’s son.

Next week, is Grant going to throw Kidman under the bus? Try to lay blame on her in court?

Didn't they take a DNA test and that's how they discovered Hugh Grant's character Jonathan is the baby's father?

What about the portrait of Nicole Kidman and the lesbian affair undercurrents?

When they did the DNA test was it to compare Hugh Grant’s character to the baby’s or to compare Elena’s husband’s to the baby’s? If the latter, we’re all assuming Grant is the father ... but ... maybe not. PP does have a point about Southerland walking by their apartment.

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Anonymous wrote:I also think it’s Donald Sutherland. I suspect that he’s the baby’s father, too. Why else would he walk over to the apartment to stare into the window?

Henry the son has brown eyes. Kidman and Grant have blue eyes. I wonder if Kidman also had affairs and we’ll find out that Henry is not actually Grant’s son.

Next week, is Grant going to throw Kidman under the bus? Try to lay blame on her in court?

Didn't they take a DNA test and that's how they discovered Hugh Grant's character Jonathan is the baby's father?

What about the portrait of Nicole Kidman and the lesbian affair undercurrents?

When they did the DNA test was it to compare Hugh Grant’s character to the baby’s or to compare Elena’s husband’s to the baby’s? If the latter, we’re all assuming Grant is the father ... but ... maybe not. PP does have a point about Southerland walking by their apartment.

DNA test can only rule in/rule out one person. The police told Kidman that Hugh Grant was the father and obviously Hugh Grant thinks he's the father as does Elena's husband.

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Anonymous wrote:I find NK's plastic surgery distracting.

There’s one scene where she’s being interviewed by the police and trying desperately to show some emotion. But her face is so stretched, filled and immobilized that all she can do is try to widen her eyes. I generally like her as an actress, but it’s time for her to dump her plastic surgeon. She starting to get that Joker look.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m through Episode three. Frankly this is just one Law & Order stretched out over three episodes. And, as with Law & Order, you can guess who did it by asking “ Who is the biggest star in the ensemble?”. I’m quitting. I’m tired of Nicole’s confused look and unmoving face. She can’t play a mom in her thirties anymore. She’s 54.

My thoughts exactly! And it's clearly Donald Southerland.

You think? Would an old man have strength enough to bash in Elena’s head with a sculpting hammer? Also, just for fun, what do you think Grace was doing in Elena’s neighborhood that evening? It’s possible she isn’t the murderer, but did she hook up with Elena? They had wicked chemistry in the elevator after the Reardon party.

There have already been a couple of incidents where Grace seemed to have totally forgotten something or had a mysterious flashback. The show is either planting red herrings or they’ve tipped their hand. Obviously the kiss was designed to be caught on camera to rouse suspicion against Grace. That was a pretty clunky scene.

What has Grace completely forgotten?

*In the scene where Grace finds out about the death via text she doesn’t bat an eye. She gets the text in the middle of a therapy session, turns to her clients, smiles and starts talking about the thrill of both doing illicit things clandestinely and risking getting caught.
*In the second episode she is envisioning things that maybe she really saw and suppressed, or maybe she’s just imagining some of them- the murder scene, the son discovering his mother’s body, an earlier family moment in an apartment where the mother and two kids are alive and well. In the apartment vision/memory the murdered woman seems to be wearing the same scarf in her hair that Grace later finds in her husband’s office. She has seen the scarf before discovering it in the office.
*In the scene in the police station, where the investigators are questioning her, she seems surprised that her husband was fired, but she has one of her ear ringing, panicky moments over the fact that they obtained his “confidential” work records and they know why he was fired. Why, in the bombshell moment that she finds out that he has only been pretending to be employed, is she more concerned about the police obtaining his employment records than the fact that he was lying to her? There are flashes of her frenzied internal self whispering things while she talks to the police, and that internal dialogue seems unhealthy. Along with the times that she’s stumbling around picturing the OW naked, with her husband, or begging for her life...

My preliminary guess, 3 episodes in, is that Jonathan knows that Grace is mentally ill, killed the woman, and he is trying to protect her, or at least their son, from the truth. Or at least that is what the show is setting us up to believe in advance of another curveball.

She may be mentally ill but none of the things you listed shoe she’s forgotten anything.

“Grace seemed to have totally forgotten something or had a mysterious flashback”

After watching the latest episode, it’s clear that Grace’s “vision” (or whatever you want to call it) of Elena with her children occurred in Elena’s apartment, on her green couch. Grace has sworn repeatedly that she didn’t know Elena outside of a few established encounters, but her flashbacks/memories/visions say otherwise.

Maybe Grace is being set up by Jonathan because he is aware of her mental illness and is taking advantage, or maybe Jonathan or Grace’s father are trying to protect her after she did the killing. Or maybe something else. Who knows.

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Great ending last night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also think it’s Donald Sutherland. I suspect that he’s the baby’s father, too. Why else would he walk over to the apartment to stare into the window?

Henry the son has brown eyes. Kidman and Grant have blue eyes. I wonder if Kidman also had affairs and we’ll find out that Henry is not actually Grant’s son.

Next week, is Grant going to throw Kidman under the bus? Try to lay blame on her in court?

Didn't they take a DNA test and that's how they discovered Hugh Grant's character Jonathan is the baby's father?

What about the portrait of Nicole Kidman and the lesbian affair undercurrents?

When they did the DNA test was it to compare Hugh Grant’s character to the baby’s or to compare Elena’s husband’s to the baby’s? If the latter, we’re all assuming Grant is the father ... but ... maybe not. PP does have a point about Southerland walking by their apartment.

DNA test can only rule in/rule out one person. The police told Kidman that Hugh Grant was the father and obviously Hugh Grant thinks he's the father as does Elena's husband.

Could Sutherland’s hair have been in the hairbrush used for DNA testing? Probably a long shot theory, but still.

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I was struck by the scene in which Henry reminds his mother that she said “If we were strong enough to make it this far, we’ll make it through this to the end.” (Or something like that. She said it to him after she returned home from her late night d’alliance with Grant.)

Kidman said, “What? I said that? No I didn’t.”

Is she having blackouts?

Last night ended with a surprise, but SPOILER

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I wonder if Henry could be trying to cover for his family. However, DH thought it was Henry all along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was struck by the scene in which Henry reminds his mother that she said “If we were strong enough to make it this far, we’ll make it through this to the end.” (Or something like that. She said it to him after she returned home from her late night d’alliance with Grant.)

Kidman said, “What? I said that? No I didn’t.”

Is she having blackouts?

Last night ended with a surprise, but SPOILER

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I wonder if Henry could be trying to cover for his family. However, DH thought it was Henry all along.

It’s starting to feel like everyone is trying to cover for Nicole Kidman. They all know she is crazy - husband, son, father. Perhaps Hugh Grant went out chasing after her on her “evening walk” and found her at Elena’s art gallery? Still, I would think Kidman’s footprints and DNA would be at the scene.

From the preview of next week’s final episode, we know that the lawyer comes to the apartment and is told about the murder weapon. So perhaps it’s none of them?

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Anonymous wrote:I was struck by the scene in which Henry reminds his mother that she said “If we were strong enough to make it this far, we’ll make it through this to the end.” (Or something like that. She said it to him after she returned home from her late night d’alliance with Grant.)

Kidman said, “What? I said that? No I didn’t.”

Is she having blackouts?

Last night ended with a surprise, but SPOILER

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I wonder if Henry could be trying to cover for his family. However, DH thought it was Henry all along.

Could a young teen really commit a murder that violent? I tend to think he’s covering for his dad, in the same way he didn’t tell his mom when he saw his dad with Elena at school. I think he desperately wants his father’s approval and part of that means covering for him.

Also, was Jonathan’s mother correct in her assessment of his behavior after his sister was killed? Was/is he truly a sociopath or was he so deeply traumatized that he couldn’t speak about the incident? He certainly seemed appropriately upset about it when he confessed to Grace, but did he just learn to act appropriately over the years the way many sociopaths do?

[Anonymous]

I love reading all of the theories here. This series has been one of my favorites of the year in terms of story, characters, settings, styling etc. - so entertaining overall And the attorney - boy does she steal the show. Can't wait for the finale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love reading all of the theories here. This series has been one of my favorites of the year in terms of story, characters, settings, styling etc. - so entertaining overall And the attorney - boy does she steal the show. Can't wait for the finale.

I’ve found the attorney to be completely unrealistic fan service.

[Anonymous]

Kidman and the attorney, Sylvia, plotted the death together. Kidman carried it out with her help. She will alibi her.

Sutherland was having an affair with Elena as well, which is why he hates Grant so much.

Henry is trying to cover for both parents.

Ask me how I know...

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I’m going to be upset if it’s anyone but Hugh Grant. They’ve shown him to be a sociopath during the series and it would be such a cop out to have it be NIcole Kidman. Like, no, it’s always the woman who is crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to be upset if it’s anyone but Hugh Grant. They’ve shown him to be a sociopath during the series and it would be such a cop out to have it be NIcole Kidman. Like, no, it’s always the woman who is crazy.

More than one person did it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going to be upset if it’s anyone but Hugh Grant. They’ve shown him to be a sociopath during the series and it would be such a cop out to have it be NIcole Kidman. Like, no, it’s always the woman who is crazy.

More than one person did it.

He is a sociopath but he didn’t kill her.