Remind me why we hate Jon Gosselin?

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Anonymous wrote:People who think Kate put her son in psychiatric hospital for his benefit are extremely gullible. She was absolutely vindictive in placing him there instead of his other parent first.

The gag order has run out and her ability to control the narrative is unraveling.

It would be horrible of Jon to talk about the very personal details of Collin's psychiatric issues. I truly hope for Collin's sake that he is doing well living with his dad and that he has been able to overcome any issues that he might have.

I do not blame Kate for putting Collin in the psychiatric hospital. She must have thought that her son desperately needed help. I'm sure she considered this placement to be temporary and that Kate planned to have Collin return to live with her once his therapy had been completed.

If she was so caring why did she only visit him three times in three years? She should have given him up to Jon. How tragic that he spent all of those birthdays, Christmas, Easters, alone. To go from living with 7 siblings to be locked up alone-it is just so sad.

I don't know the details of what happened and why it happened. I have two sons of my own and I can not imagine putting them into a residential facility like this and then only visiting him once a year. That would be a living hell for me as a parent.

I doubt we'll ever get the complete story about Collin because he absolutely does have a right to privacy. Thankfully, Kate seems to get that and has continually refused to discuss this publicly. Good for her. I hope Collin is doing well!

[Anonymous]

For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who think Kate put her son in psychiatric hospital for his benefit are extremely gullible. She was absolutely vindictive in placing him there instead of his other parent first.

The gag order has run out and her ability to control the narrative is unraveling.

It would be horrible of Jon to talk about the very personal details of Collin's psychiatric issues. I truly hope for Collin's sake that he is doing well living with his dad and that he has been able to overcome any issues that he might have.

I do not blame Kate for putting Collin in the psychiatric hospital. She must have thought that her son desperately needed help. I'm sure she considered this placement to be temporary and that Kate planned to have Collin return to live with her once his therapy had been completed.

Most psych hospitals are short term. A few weeks to stabilize. She hid him away at a residential institution and planned to keep him there till 18. Google their relationship. She was alway scapegoating and targeting him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who think Kate put her son in psychiatric hospital for his benefit are extremely gullible. She was absolutely vindictive in placing him there instead of his other parent first.

The gag order has run out and her ability to control the narrative is unraveling.

It would be horrible of Jon to talk about the very personal details of Collin's psychiatric issues. I truly hope for Collin's sake that he is doing well living with his dad and that he has been able to overcome any issues that he might have.

I do not blame Kate for putting Collin in the psychiatric hospital. She must have thought that her son desperately needed help. I'm sure she considered this placement to be temporary and that Kate planned to have Collin return to live with her once his therapy had been completed.

Most psych hospitals are short term. A few weeks to stabilize. She hid him away at a residential institution and planned to keep him there till 18. Google their relationship. She was alway scapegoating and targeting him.

Scapegoats are no fun if they are put away where no one can torment them. If that was the dynamic in the family, Kate would have kept him in punching range. I really do think that Collin had some out of control behavioral/emotional issues and that Kate thought he need professional counseling to overcome them.

But, again, Kate is protecting her son's privacy so this is not going to play out in the court of public opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who think Kate put her son in psychiatric hospital for his benefit are extremely gullible. She was absolutely vindictive in placing him there instead of his other parent first.

The gag order has run out and her ability to control the narrative is unraveling.

It would be horrible of Jon to talk about the very personal details of Collin's psychiatric issues. I truly hope for Collin's sake that he is doing well living with his dad and that he has been able to overcome any issues that he might have.

I do not blame Kate for putting Collin in the psychiatric hospital. She must have thought that her son desperately needed help. I'm sure she considered this placement to be temporary and that Kate planned to have Collin return to live with her once his therapy had been completed.

Most psych hospitals are short term. A few weeks to stabilize. She hid him away at a residential institution and planned to keep him there till 18. Google their relationship. She was alway scapegoating and targeting him.

Scapegoats are no fun if they are put away where no one can torment them. If that was the dynamic in the family, Kate would have kept him in punching range. I really do think that Collin had some out of control behavioral/emotional issues and that Kate thought he need professional counseling to overcome them.

But, again, Kate is protecting her son's privacy so this is not going to play out in the court of public opinion.

She needs the therapy and parenting classes. No child should be locked away for years without the parent visiting and participating in his care. Nor should he be kept from his dad.

[Anonymous]

I really am not interested in them anymore.

The mudslinging got old for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who think Kate put her son in psychiatric hospital for his benefit are extremely gullible. She was absolutely vindictive in placing him there instead of his other parent first.

The gag order has run out and her ability to control the narrative is unraveling.

It would be horrible of Jon to talk about the very personal details of Collin's psychiatric issues. I truly hope for Collin's sake that he is doing well living with his dad and that he has been able to overcome any issues that he might have.

I do not blame Kate for putting Collin in the psychiatric hospital. She must have thought that her son desperately needed help. I'm sure she considered this placement to be temporary and that Kate planned to have Collin return to live with her once his therapy had been completed.

Most psych hospitals are short term. A few weeks to stabilize. She hid him away at a residential institution and planned to keep him there till 18. Google their relationship. She was alway scapegoating and targeting him.

He didn’t fit her image. She doesn’t respect her 7 other kids’ privacy by putting them on tv. Hospitalization programs are generally short term.

She’s not trying to help her kids, she’s trying to help herself. You can’t defend the indefensible.

Scapegoats are no fun if they are put away where no one can torment them. If that was the dynamic in the family, Kate would have kept him in punching range. I really do think that Collin had some out of control behavioral/emotional issues and that Kate thought he need professional counseling to overcome them.

But, again, Kate is protecting her son's privacy so this is not going to play out in the court of public opinion.

She needs the therapy and parenting classes. No child should be locked away for years without the parent visiting and participating in his care. Nor should he be kept from his dad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA to like everything you said.

[Anonymous]

team jon, and I'll tell you why:

- Kate's treatment of Collin is exactly the dynamic I've seen in families where there's a scapegoat/identified patient and a personality disordered parent. Sending the kid away for "treatment" as opposed to keeping them in the family.
- It's likely sending Collin away was at least in part driven by his inability to cope in the public school setting.
- Collin may have ADHD or other issues (my guess is aggression) but institutionalizing for that for THREE YEARS is a drastic solution.
- Jon retained physical (visitation) rights but not legal. This gave Kate broad latitude to institutionalize Collin
- Jon may have been persuaded into signing away legal custody rights as part of an overall parenting plan. Most people don't necessarily get what that means - I'm sure he never anticipated that it meant she would institutionalize one of their kids.
- If Kate decided to violate their custody agreement by refusing visitation and refusing to tell him where Collin was, it's not like there's an immediate legal remedy for that. The legal process doesn't work that way. It take time and money. To my eye, once Jon got it together, he pushed forward with that process.
- Based on my experience with personality disordered parents, Jon's initial decision to distance himself from the family and not fight Kate on visitation is somewhat understandable. The thing about personality disorders is that the BPD/NPD person is willing to GO THERE - take the nuclear option - and make life chaos for everyone. Sometimes it's an understandable and perhaps not horrible choice for one parent to back off and keep a modicum of stability. Based on my experience, the "normal" parent sometimes comes back into the kids' lives when the kids get older and can make their own decisions. That is the pattern that Jon is following.
- Given all this history, I can't blame Jon for telling his story to the press. If he starts to exploit it, then yeah, not great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA to like everything you said.

Her choice was either to keep the dysfunction going in her family or send him to live with his table waiting/promiscuous dad or send him to a facility where he would get the professional help that he so desperately needed.

Jon now has some semblance of stability in his life but when Collin was in crisis mode the weight of the problem was entirely on Kate and it was her problem to deal with. The blind hatred that Jon has for Kate is very clear. He HATES Kate and wants to destroy her. I can not blame Kate for wanting nothing to do with him. He is toxic and evil towards her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:team jon, and I'll tell you why:

- Kate's treatment of Collin is exactly the dynamic I've seen in families where there's a scapegoat/identified patient and a personality disordered parent. Sending the kid away for "treatment" as opposed to keeping them in the family.
- It's likely sending Collin away was at least in part driven by his inability to cope in the public school setting.
- Collin may have ADHD or other issues (my guess is aggression) but institutionalizing for that for THREE YEARS is a drastic solution.
- Jon retained physical (visitation) rights but not legal. This gave Kate broad latitude to institutionalize Collin
- Jon may have been persuaded into signing away legal custody rights as part of an overall parenting plan. Most people don't necessarily get what that means - I'm sure he never anticipated that it meant she would institutionalize one of their kids.
- If Kate decided to violate their custody agreement by refusing visitation and refusing to tell him where Collin was, it's not like there's an immediate legal remedy for that. The legal process doesn't work that way. It take time and money. To my eye, once Jon got it together, he pushed forward with that process.
- Based on my experience with personality disordered parents, Jon's initial decision to distance himself from the family and not fight Kate on visitation is somewhat understandable. The thing about personality disorders is that the BPD/NPD person is willing to GO THERE - take the nuclear option - and make life chaos for everyone. Sometimes it's an understandable and perhaps not horrible choice for one parent to back off and keep a modicum of stability. Based on my experience, the "normal" parent sometimes comes back into the kids' lives when the kids get older and can make their own decisions. That is the pattern that Jon is following.
- Given all this history, I can't blame Jon for telling his story to the press. If he starts to exploit it, then yeah, not great.

+1 to all of this. I lived through this in my family. Now that the kids are preteens, they live with the "other/non-disordered" parent nearly full time. I wonder if the pro-Kate posts in this thread are all one poster?

[Anonymous]

^And, yes, I remember how stricken Kate was when Jon decided to drop the bomb on their family. She did not see it coming. She was completely blindsided by it. Talk about a nuclear option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA to like everything you said.

Her choice was either to keep the dysfunction going in her family or send him to live with his table waiting/promiscuous dad or send him to a facility where he would get the professional help that he so desperately needed.

Jon now has some semblance of stability in his life but when Collin was in crisis mode the weight of the problem was entirely on Kate and it was her problem to deal with. The blind hatred that Jon has for Kate is very clear. He HATES Kate and wants to destroy her. I can not blame Kate for wanting nothing to do with him. He is toxic and evil towards her.

You clearly have no experience with kids who are having behavioral difficulties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA to like everything you said.

Her choice was either to keep the dysfunction going in her family or send him to live with his table waiting/promiscuous dad or send him to a facility where he would get the professional help that he so desperately needed.

Jon now has some semblance of stability in his life but when Collin was in crisis mode the weight of the problem was entirely on Kate and it was her problem to deal with. The blind hatred that Jon has for Kate is very clear. He HATES Kate and wants to destroy her. I can not blame Kate for wanting nothing to do with him. He is toxic and evil towards her.

You clearly have no experience with kids who are having behavioral difficulties.

You're right. I don't. And it was apparently a first time for Kate so I'm not going to second guess how the functioning parent of that boy handled that crisis. Kate was on her own and she did the best she knew how to do for her son. I can totally see how she would have been afraid to allow a man like Jon to take Collin. I think that Jon took Collin in for his own very selfish reasons and I hope that Collin is o.k. Jon wanted an "in" to Kate and he has it now through Collin and Hannah. God help those poor children.