Remind me why we hate Jon Gosselin?

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Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA to like everything you said.

Her choice was either to keep the dysfunction going in her family or send him to live with his table waiting/promiscuous dad or send him to a facility where he would get the professional help that he so desperately needed.

Jon now has some semblance of stability in his life but when Collin was in crisis mode the weight of the problem was entirely on Kate and it was her problem to deal with. The blind hatred that Jon has for Kate is very clear. He HATES Kate and wants to destroy her. I can not blame Kate for wanting nothing to do with him. He is toxic and evil towards her.

You clearly have no experience with kids who are having behavioral difficulties.

You're right. I don't. And it was apparently a first time for Kate so I'm not going to second guess how the functioning parent of that boy handled that crisis. Kate was on her own and she did the best she knew how to do for her son. I can totally see how she would have been afraid to allow a man like Jon to take Collin. I think that Jon took Collin in for his own very selfish reasons and I hope that Collin is o.k. Jon wanted an "in" to Kate and he has it now through Collin and Hannah. God help those poor children.

No, she absolutely did not do her best. Full-time institutionalization, unless the child is literally homicidal/suicidal, is never appropriate. The fact that she never visited is telling as well. She clearly could not cope with getting Collin appropriate treatment, and this was her fallback. This wasn't boarding school - it was a pyschiatric institution.

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The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

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Anonymous wrote:For the kate booster(s) give me one other example of when Kate respects her kids ‘right to privacy’. You need two points to make a trend line.
She doesn’t talk about Collin because it doesn’t help her image. Jon does talk about Collin because it helps his image.

Kate could have locked Collin in his room or otherwise controlled him if she had wanted to protect her own image. Sending him off to a treatment facility was confronting and dealing with a serious issue head on. I'm sure it's not easy to have people gossiping, speculating about the situation. If Kate didn't love Collin she would have done everything in her power to keep appearances up and Collin would have been punished severely for not playing along. But Kate did love her son and was desperate to get him the professional that he needed.

As far as the kids' privacy goes....the reality show was heavily edited. We only saw a small "made for t.v." glimpse into their lives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA to like everything you said.

Her choice was either to keep the dysfunction going in her family or send him to live with his table waiting/promiscuous dad or send him to a facility where he would get the professional help that he so desperately needed.

Jon now has some semblance of stability in his life but when Collin was in crisis mode the weight of the problem was entirely on Kate and it was her problem to deal with. The blind hatred that Jon has for Kate is very clear. He HATES Kate and wants to destroy her. I can not blame Kate for wanting nothing to do with him. He is toxic and evil towards her.

You clearly have no experience with kids who are having behavioral difficulties.

You're right. I don't. And it was apparently a first time for Kate so I'm not going to second guess how the functioning parent of that boy handled that crisis. Kate was on her own and she did the best she knew how to do for her son. I can totally see how she would have been afraid to allow a man like Jon to take Collin. I think that Jon took Collin in for his own very selfish reasons and I hope that Collin is o.k. Jon wanted an "in" to Kate and he has it now through Collin and Hannah. God help those poor children.

No, she absolutely did not do her best. Full-time institutionalization, unless the child is literally homicidal/suicidal, is never appropriate. The fact that she never visited is telling as well. She clearly could not cope with getting Collin appropriate treatment, and this was her fallback. This wasn't boarding school - it was a pyschiatric institution.

Again - we do not know what Collin's problems were. We have no idea why Kate made the decision that she made. I think it's nuts to assume that she made that placement in order to punish Collin. If this had been a case of severe psychological abuse don't you think that the school would have notified the authorities in order to save the rest of the kids?

This idea that their was some sort of evil plot on Kate's part to ruin her son's life is just plain crazy. I hope that Collin is o.k.

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

If you're asking if I know Kate or have any connection at all to the kids or to Jon - nope. Just stating my opinion.

Kate is no saint, she has her flaws and I'm sure that she has made her fair share of parenting mistakes along the way. But I do believe that she loves her kids and truly is trying to do good by them. I also think that Jon has a mean and selfish streak that is a mile wide.

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

If you're asking if I know Kate or have any connection at all to the kids or to Jon - nope. Just stating my opinion.

Kate is no saint, she has her flaws and I'm sure that she has made her fair share of parenting mistakes along the way. But I do believe that she loves her kids and truly is trying to do good by them. I also think that Jon has a mean and selfish streak that is a mile wide.

You are strange. In no way could she be considered a good parent -- just based on her own documented activities. She goes far beyond having "her flaws."

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

If you're asking if I know Kate or have any connection at all to the kids or to Jon - nope. Just stating my opinion.

Kate is no saint, she has her flaws and I'm sure that she has made her fair share of parenting mistakes along the way. But I do believe that she loves her kids and truly is trying to do good by them. I also think that Jon has a mean and selfish streak that is a mile wide.

You are strange. In no way could she be considered a good parent -- just based on her own documented activities. She goes far beyond having "her flaws."

Maybe she loved her kids enough to know that she couldn't do it alone and the help she got from the TLC crew made a huge difference in their lifestyle, upbringing and health.

8 kids are a lot of kids. Kate used her strengths to make sure that there were always others around to help out. If she had only had Jon to rely on...shudder.

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

If you're asking if I know Kate or have any connection at all to the kids or to Jon - nope. Just stating my opinion.

Kate is no saint, she has her flaws and I'm sure that she has made her fair share of parenting mistakes along the way. But I do believe that she loves her kids and truly is trying to do good by them. I also think that Jon has a mean and selfish streak that is a mile wide.

You are strange. In no way could she be considered a good parent -- just based on her own documented activities. She goes far beyond having "her flaws."

Maybe she loved her kids enough to know that she couldn't do it alone and the help she got from the TLC crew made a huge difference in their lifestyle, upbringing and health.

8 kids are a lot of kids. Kate used her strengths to make sure that there were always others around to help out. If she had only had Jon to rely on...shudder.

You are really, really weird.

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Everyone in this story is terrible, except the kids.

Even if we take the Collin story at face value, everyone looks bad. Kate for not visiting (and for choosing institutionalization over robust outpatient support) and Jon for letting THREE YEARS go by before wondering where one of his kids was.

He claims Kate "wouldn't tell him" where the child was hospitalized. FFS. Get a court order.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in this story is terrible, except the kids.

Even if we take the Collin story at face value, everyone looks bad. Kate for not visiting (and for choosing institutionalization over robust outpatient support) and Jon for letting THREE YEARS go by before wondering where one of his kids was.

He claims Kate "wouldn't tell him" where the child was hospitalized. FFS. Get a court order.

If the therapists who were helping Collin told Kate to stay away, you think she should have just barged on over there demanding to see him? We have no idea what Collin's issues were or what his treatment plan was but everyone sure seems to know that Kate handed the whole thing totally wrong.

You do not institutionalize your child unless there is something very, very, very significant going on. More than you know how to handle on your own. Kate had 7 other children to consider. I feel for her.

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And, yes, Jon is a total azz and that is putting it very mildly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

If you're asking if I know Kate or have any connection at all to the kids or to Jon - nope. Just stating my opinion.

Kate is no saint, she has her flaws and I'm sure that she has made her fair share of parenting mistakes along the way. But I do believe that she loves her kids and truly is trying to do good by them. I also think that Jon has a mean and selfish streak that is a mile wide.

You are strange. In no way could she be considered a good parent -- just based on her own documented activities. She goes far beyond having "her flaws."

Maybe she loved her kids enough to know that she couldn't do it alone and the help she got from the TLC crew made a huge difference in their lifestyle, upbringing and health.

8 kids are a lot of kids. Kate used her strengths to make sure that there were always others around to help out. If she had only had Jon to rely on...shudder.

You are really, really weird.

No. I have empathy and understanding. Trying to take care of 8 children all alone would be overwhelming.

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Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

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Anonymous wrote:The Kate defender is weird. Any even basic overview of what's been televised and the facts/timing shows her in a very bad light.

+1. I wonder if it's a regular DCUM reader, or someone who found this thread through some sort of search/alert.

If you're asking if I know Kate or have any connection at all to the kids or to Jon - nope. Just stating my opinion.

Kate is no saint, she has her flaws and I'm sure that she has made her fair share of parenting mistakes along the way. But I do believe that she loves her kids and truly is trying to do good by them. I also think that Jon has a mean and selfish streak that is a mile wide.

You are strange. In no way could she be considered a good parent -- just based on her own documented activities. She goes far beyond having "her flaws."

Yeah, my mother took care of 8 kids on her own (father died young) and she did it without pimping any of us out!

Maybe she loved her kids enough to know that she couldn't do it alone and the help she got from the TLC crew made a huge difference in their lifestyle, upbringing and health.

8 kids are a lot of kids. Kate used her strengths to make sure that there were always others around to help out. If she had only had Jon to rely on...shudder.

You are really, really weird.

No. I have empathy and understanding. Trying to take care of 8 children all alone would be overwhelming.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?