Same sex marriage education at pk/k at gds

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Anonymous wrote:It's legal for same-sex to marry, so of course it is going to come up at school. How odd to think otherwise.

Agree. You want to be against it? Go to Catholic school. Where they say to love thy neighbor, unless they are gay.

As a Catholic, I am offended by this gross mischaracterization. Glad it's okay to "bash" some groups but not others. Hope it makes you feel better to insult my Catholic children who go to Catholic school, but I don't see how that helps at all.

Agree. I have no moral objection to same sex marriage I just hate that some liberals cannot accept that others have different views. It's so hypocritical.

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At the risk of derailing a thread that violated Godwin's Law 4 pages ago, the Catholic Church teaches certain things and, as an organization, professes certain beliefs and requires that it's adherents conform to those beliefs.

You don't have to share those beliefs (although your priest, bishop, archbishop and the Pope might disagree). You can be as much of a cafeteria Catholic as you want. But, when you say, "I'm Catholic," people assume that you hold the beliefs professed by the Catholic Church. If you said, "I'm sorta Catholic," or "I'm a C&E Catholic," or even, "I'm a lapsed Catholic," then people are less likely to make assumptions about your beliefs. But if you just stand up and say, "I'm Catholic," then you get the baggage that comes along with claiming allegiance.

It's not just true of Catholics. It's true of every group that expresses dogma - Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

People like PP that send their kids to catholic schools for the daily teachings of their cult are not lapsed Catholics.

Ok, I am a very lapsed Catholic (haven't been to mass or any other sacrament in over 6 years) who went to Catholic school all my life. Not all Catholic schools teach hate - the good ones teach you "this is what the church says, it's your choice to believe or not". I am a bleeding heart, Sanders voting liberal and have been since I came out of the womb. There are many things I have always disagreed with what the church said, and I told my teachers.B ut overall I took away lessons of compassion and tolerance, neither of which you are showing.

I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a cult and stop belittling it because it is not your faith or your beliefs - you're being just as close-minded and narrow as you accuse all Catholics of being.

So you are a lapsed catholic who doesn't believe in their teachings but believes in compassion and tolerance? You do realize you do not need to follow and pay for a religion to have compassion? That is something you were born with and I have seen many atheists with more compassion than the most religious of human beings. Denying someone to sit in your business or hand a marriage certificate because you are catholic and using religion as your reason - is not tolerance. Catholics are not compassionate or tolerant of the LGBT community.

Of course Catholics do not think that. They might say it to you but they truly believe their religion is the only good. Oblivious to how they look from the outside. It is no different than Scientology. The believers believe. Everyone else thinks they are nuts.

It is truly sad that you are such a bitter person. I will keep you in my (Catholic) prayers.

It's amazing the assumptions people make about Catholics. Just because my church does not believe in same sex marriage does not mean I think you should not be able to do that in your church, or civilly. I may believe it is a sin, but it doesn't mean I want to deny you your right to do it. I believe abortion is gravely wrong, but I don't want to take away your right to have one. And so on. The progressive approach seems to be that it is not enough to just tolerate behavoir, but we must endorse it. Little by little, the religious beliefs that happened to find their way into our laws is being eliminated by society. That's fine if that's what we want to do civilly, but it won't change my religious beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:One of two moms here, with kids in PK. I can't exactly teach my kids to pretend one of their parents don't exist, so their friends know they have two moms. GDS may have had nothing to do with it. And FWIW, I assure you that no one decided a sexual orientation based on those of their friends' parents. You have a 97% chance that she'll marry a boy, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Best to your family.

And 97% of preschoolers would prefer to marry a person of the same sex, so I wouldn't read too much into what they say. (Although, as my DD told her brother "You can marry either a boy or a girl. But only a girl can grow a baby in her tummy. So you may just want to think about that when you decide. I'm going to marry a girl and we can both grow babies." I did point out to her that people can adopt babies, if they can't grow their own.)

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Anonymous wrote:It's legal for same-sex to marry, so of course it is going to come up at school. How odd to think otherwise.

Agree. You want to be against it? Go to Catholic school. Where they say to love thy neighbor, unless they are gay.

As a Catholic, I am offended by this gross mischaracterization. Glad it's okay to "bash" some groups but not others. Hope it makes you feel better to insult my Catholic children who go to Catholic school, but I don't see how that helps at all.

Agree. I have no moral objection to same sex marriage I just hate that some liberals cannot accept that others have different views. It's so hypocritical.

+1

At the risk of derailing a thread that violated Godwin's Law 4 pages ago, the Catholic Church teaches certain things and, as an organization, professes certain beliefs and requires that it's adherents conform to those beliefs.

You don't have to share those beliefs (although your priest, bishop, archbishop and the Pope might disagree). You can be as much of a cafeteria Catholic as you want. But, when you say, "I'm Catholic," people assume that you hold the beliefs professed by the Catholic Church. If you said, "I'm sorta Catholic," or "I'm a C&E Catholic," or even, "I'm a lapsed Catholic," then people are less likely to make assumptions about your beliefs. But if you just stand up and say, "I'm Catholic," then you get the baggage that comes along with claiming allegiance.

It's not just true of Catholics. It's true of every group that expresses dogma - Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

People like PP that send their kids to catholic schools for the daily teachings of their cult are not lapsed Catholics.

Ok, I am a very lapsed Catholic (haven't been to mass or any other sacrament in over 6 years) who went to Catholic school all my life. Not all Catholic schools teach hate - the good ones teach you "this is what the church says, it's your choice to believe or not". I am a bleeding heart, Sanders voting liberal and have been since I came out of the womb. There are many things I have always disagreed with what the church said, and I told my teachers.B ut overall I took away lessons of compassion and tolerance, neither of which you are showing.

I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a cult and stop belittling it because it is not your faith or your beliefs - you're being just as close-minded and narrow as you accuse all Catholics of being.

So you are a lapsed catholic who doesn't believe in their teachings but believes in compassion and tolerance? You do realize you do not need to follow and pay for a religion to have compassion? That is something you were born with and I have seen many atheists with more compassion than the most religious of human beings. Denying someone to sit in your business or hand a marriage certificate because you are catholic and using religion as your reason - is not tolerance. Catholics are not compassionate or tolerant of the LGBT community.

Of course Catholics do not think that. They might say it to you but they truly believe their religion is the only good. Oblivious to how they look from the outside. It is no different than Scientology. The believers believe. Everyone else thinks they are nuts.

It is truly sad that you are such a bitter person. I will keep you in my (Catholic) prayers.

It's amazing the assumptions people make about Catholics. Just because my church does not believe in same sex marriage does not mean I think you should not be able to do that in your church, or civilly. I may believe it is a sin, but it doesn't mean I want to deny you your right to do it. I believe abortion is gravely wrong, but I don't want to take away your right to have one. And so on. The progressive approach seems to be that it is not enough to just tolerate behavoir, but we must endorse it. Little by little, the religious beliefs that happened to find their way into our laws is being eliminated by society. That's fine if that's what we want to do civilly, but it won't change my religious beliefs.

No one wants you sitting there thinking about or tolerating all the non-Catholic "sinners" out there.

And I for one am glad they are taking religious aspects out of our laws. It's about time.

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Anonymous wrote:It's legal for same-sex to marry, so of course it is going to come up at school. How odd to think otherwise.

Agree. You want to be against it? Go to Catholic school. Where they say to love thy neighbor, unless they are gay.

As a Catholic, I am offended by this gross mischaracterization. Glad it's okay to "bash" some groups but not others. Hope it makes you feel better to insult my Catholic children who go to Catholic school, but I don't see how that helps at all.

Agree. I have no moral objection to same sex marriage I just hate that some liberals cannot accept that others have different views. It's so hypocritical.

+1

At the risk of derailing a thread that violated Godwin's Law 4 pages ago, the Catholic Church teaches certain things and, as an organization, professes certain beliefs and requires that it's adherents conform to those beliefs.

You don't have to share those beliefs (although your priest, bishop, archbishop and the Pope might disagree). You can be as much of a cafeteria Catholic as you want. But, when you say, "I'm Catholic," people assume that you hold the beliefs professed by the Catholic Church. If you said, "I'm sorta Catholic," or "I'm a C&E Catholic," or even, "I'm a lapsed Catholic," then people are less likely to make assumptions about your beliefs. But if you just stand up and say, "I'm Catholic," then you get the baggage that comes along with claiming allegiance.

It's not just true of Catholics. It's true of every group that expresses dogma - Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

People like PP that send their kids to catholic schools for the daily teachings of their cult are not lapsed Catholics.

Ok, I am a very lapsed Catholic (haven't been to mass or any other sacrament in over 6 years) who went to Catholic school all my life. Not all Catholic schools teach hate - the good ones teach you "this is what the church says, it's your choice to believe or not". I am a bleeding heart, Sanders voting liberal and have been since I came out of the womb. There are many things I have always disagreed with what the church said, and I told my teachers.B ut overall I took away lessons of compassion and tolerance, neither of which you are showing.

I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a cult and stop belittling it because it is not your faith or your beliefs - you're being just as close-minded and narrow as you accuse all Catholics of being.

So you are a lapsed catholic who doesn't believe in their teachings but believes in compassion and tolerance? You do realize you do not need to follow and pay for a religion to have compassion? That is something you were born with and I have seen many atheists with more compassion than the most religious of human beings. Denying someone to sit in your business or hand a marriage certificate because you are catholic and using religion as your reason - is not tolerance. Catholics are not compassionate or tolerant of the LGBT community.

Of course Catholics do not think that. They might say it to you but they truly believe their religion is the only good. Oblivious to how they look from the outside. It is no different than Scientology. The believers believe. Everyone else thinks they are nuts.

It is truly sad that you are such a bitter person. I will keep you in my (Catholic) prayers.

It's amazing the assumptions people make about Catholics. Just because my church does not believe in same sex marriage does not mean I think you should not be able to do that in your church, or civilly. I may believe it is a sin, but it doesn't mean I want to deny you your right to do it. I believe abortion is gravely wrong, but I don't want to take away your right to have one. And so on. The progressive approach seems to be that it is not enough to just tolerate behavoir, but we must endorse it. Little by little, the religious beliefs that happened to find their way into our laws is being eliminated by society. That's fine if that's what we want to do civilly, but it won't change my religious beliefs.

No one wants you sitting there thinking about or tolerating all the non-Catholic "sinners" out there.

And I for one am glad they are taking religious aspects out of our laws. It's about time.

I guess the whole freedom of religion thing is passe for you? Would you regulate thought? You are kind of making my point for me. It's not enough that I would not make the same choices for myself or my family, I must endorse yours.

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Anonymous wrote:When my now fourth grader was in pre k, he came home and said that a girl in his class has two dads. It is common practice at this school for kids to bring in their family photos to keep in their cubbies. Each student had a chance to discuss their photo and she said hers was of her and her to dads.

My husband and I used this as an opportunity to discuss all kinds of family structures and let him know that what's important is you have someone who loves and cares for you and believes in you no matter what. Fast forward a few years..he knows at least 4-5 other kids with same gender parents.

Simple, clear, and honest explanations are best at this age.

Exactly. DS had a two-mom family in his preschool class. We used this opportunity to talk about how sometimes, kids have two moms or two dads. I am grateful that we had the opportunity to have this discussion. However, I wouldn't be particularly thrilled if their teachers had led this discussion. I support and voted for gay marriage btw.

When looking at schools, we knew GDS wasn't the right fit for our family.

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Anonymous wrote:When my now fourth grader was in pre k, he came home and said that a girl in his class has two dads. It is common practice at this school for kids to bring in their family photos to keep in their cubbies. Each student had a chance to discuss their photo and she said hers was of her and her to dads.

My husband and I used this as an opportunity to discuss all kinds of family structures and let him know that what's important is you have someone who loves and cares for you and believes in you no matter what. Fast forward a few years..he knows at least 4-5 other kids with same gender parents.

Simple, clear, and honest explanations are best at this age.

Exactly. DS had a two-mom family in his preschool class. We used this opportunity to talk about how sometimes, kids have two moms or two dads. I am grateful that we had the opportunity to have this discussion. However, I wouldn't be particularly thrilled if their teachers had led this discussion. I support and voted for gay marriage btw.

When looking at schools, we knew GDS wasn't the right fit for our family.

How did you vote for it? It's all been in the courts.

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Anonymous wrote:When my now fourth grader was in pre k, he came home and said that a girl in his class has two dads. It is common practice at this school for kids to bring in their family photos to keep in their cubbies. Each student had a chance to discuss their photo and she said hers was of her and her to dads.

My husband and I used this as an opportunity to discuss all kinds of family structures and let him know that what's important is you have someone who loves and cares for you and believes in you no matter what. Fast forward a few years..he knows at least 4-5 other kids with same gender parents.

Simple, clear, and honest explanations are best at this age.

Exactly. DS had a two-mom family in his preschool class. We used this opportunity to talk about how sometimes, kids have two moms or two dads. I am grateful that we had the opportunity to have this discussion. However, I wouldn't be particularly thrilled if their teachers had led this discussion. I support and voted for gay marriage btw.

When looking at schools, we knew GDS wasn't the right fit for our family.

How did you vote for it? It's all been in the courts.

I guess you missed that whole Maryland, November 2012 historic thing...

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Anonymous wrote:It's legal for same-sex to marry, so of course it is going to come up at school. How odd to think otherwise.

Agree. You want to be against it? Go to Catholic school. Where they say to love thy neighbor, unless they are gay.

As a Catholic, I am offended by this gross mischaracterization. Glad it's okay to "bash" some groups but not others. Hope it makes you feel better to insult my Catholic children who go to Catholic school, but I don't see how that helps at all.

Agree. I have no moral objection to same sex marriage I just hate that some liberals cannot accept that others have different views. It's so hypocritical.

+1

At the risk of derailing a thread that violated Godwin's Law 4 pages ago, the Catholic Church teaches certain things and, as an organization, professes certain beliefs and requires that it's adherents conform to those beliefs.

You don't have to share those beliefs (although your priest, bishop, archbishop and the Pope might disagree). You can be as much of a cafeteria Catholic as you want. But, when you say, "I'm Catholic," people assume that you hold the beliefs professed by the Catholic Church. If you said, "I'm sorta Catholic," or "I'm a C&E Catholic," or even, "I'm a lapsed Catholic," then people are less likely to make assumptions about your beliefs. But if you just stand up and say, "I'm Catholic," then you get the baggage that comes along with claiming allegiance.

It's not just true of Catholics. It's true of every group that expresses dogma - Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

People like PP that send their kids to catholic schools for the daily teachings of their cult are not lapsed Catholics.

Ok, I am a very lapsed Catholic (haven't been to mass or any other sacrament in over 6 years) who went to Catholic school all my life. Not all Catholic schools teach hate - the good ones teach you "this is what the church says, it's your choice to believe or not". I am a bleeding heart, Sanders voting liberal and have been since I came out of the womb. There are many things I have always disagreed with what the church said, and I told my teachers.B ut overall I took away lessons of compassion and tolerance, neither of which you are showing.

I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a cult and stop belittling it because it is not your faith or your beliefs - you're being just as close-minded and narrow as you accuse all Catholics of being.

So you are a lapsed catholic who doesn't believe in their teachings but believes in compassion and tolerance? You do realize you do not need to follow and pay for a religion to have compassion? That is something you were born with and I have seen many atheists with more compassion than the most religious of human beings. Denying someone to sit in your business or hand a marriage certificate because you are catholic and using religion as your reason - is not tolerance. Catholics are not compassionate or tolerant of the LGBT community.

Of course Catholics do not think that. They might say it to you but they truly believe their religion is the only good. Oblivious to how they look from the outside. It is no different than Scientology. The believers believe. Everyone else thinks they are nuts.

It is truly sad that you are such a bitter person. I will keep you in my (Catholic) prayers.

It's amazing the assumptions people make about Catholics. Just because my church does not believe in same sex marriage does not mean I think you should not be able to do that in your church, or civilly. I may believe it is a sin, but it doesn't mean I want to deny you your right to do it. I believe abortion is gravely wrong, but I don't want to take away your right to have one. And so on. The progressive approach seems to be that it is not enough to just tolerate behavoir, but we must endorse it. Little by little, the religious beliefs that happened to find their way into our laws is being eliminated by society. That's fine if that's what we want to do civilly, but it won't change my religious beliefs.

No one wants you sitting there thinking about or tolerating all the non-Catholic "sinners" out there.

And I for one am glad they are taking religious aspects out of our laws. It's about time.

I guess the whole freedom of religion thing is passe for you? Would you regulate thought? You are kind of making my point for me. It's not enough that I would not make the same choices for myself or my family, I must endorse yours.

I think the fact that you are "in" a religion that was spoon fed to you since birth (baptism, ccd, communion, Sunday school, weekly church, confirmation) has given you the "freedom" to decide who is good, who you will tolerate, and who is evil is about the saddest comment there is. And the fact that you spoon-feed the same religion to your own kids and make your "family choices" for them is worse. Do you really believe Adam and Eve started the human race? Do you truly believe someone was dead for 3 days, came back to life, pushed a rock out of the way and was the savior? No wonder why you blindly follow loving someone of the same sex is such a big sin. If someone preached it or wrote it, it MUST be true.

Religions were formed for power and land. Nothing more. Evolution is the start of mankind. And no one gets pregnant without having sex or comes back to life. And anyone can choose to love anyone they want. It doesn't have to be endorsed by you or a made-up religion. This country isn't blindly following a fictitious book anymore. It allows religious freedom but it doesn't follow one. Same sex couples are to be treated the same. It is a civic duty of the US. Catholicism has been on a sharp decline and is now below 20% of all Americans. Everyone is fed up with your bigotry behind a "nice religion." So go ahead and not "endorse" anything you want. Not many people are following behind you.

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Anonymous wrote:It's legal for same-sex to marry, so of course it is going to come up at school. How odd to think otherwise.

Agree. You want to be against it? Go to Catholic school. Where they say to love thy neighbor, unless they are gay.

As a Catholic, I am offended by this gross mischaracterization. Glad it's okay to "bash" some groups but not others. Hope it makes you feel better to insult my Catholic children who go to Catholic school, but I don't see how that helps at all.

Agree. I have no moral objection to same sex marriage I just hate that some liberals cannot accept that others have different views. It's so hypocritical.

+1

At the risk of derailing a thread that violated Godwin's Law 4 pages ago, the Catholic Church teaches certain things and, as an organization, professes certain beliefs and requires that it's adherents conform to those beliefs.

You don't have to share those beliefs (although your priest, bishop, archbishop and the Pope might disagree). You can be as much of a cafeteria Catholic as you want. But, when you say, "I'm Catholic," people assume that you hold the beliefs professed by the Catholic Church. If you said, "I'm sorta Catholic," or "I'm a C&E Catholic," or even, "I'm a lapsed Catholic," then people are less likely to make assumptions about your beliefs. But if you just stand up and say, "I'm Catholic," then you get the baggage that comes along with claiming allegiance.

It's not just true of Catholics. It's true of every group that expresses dogma - Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

People like PP that send their kids to catholic schools for the daily teachings of their cult are not lapsed Catholics.

Ok, I am a very lapsed Catholic (haven't been to mass or any other sacrament in over 6 years) who went to Catholic school all my life. Not all Catholic schools teach hate - the good ones teach you "this is what the church says, it's your choice to believe or not". I am a bleeding heart, Sanders voting liberal and have been since I came out of the womb. There are many things I have always disagreed with what the church said, and I told my teachers.B ut overall I took away lessons of compassion and tolerance, neither of which you are showing.

I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a cult and stop belittling it because it is not your faith or your beliefs - you're being just as close-minded and narrow as you accuse all Catholics of being.

So you are a lapsed catholic who doesn't believe in their teachings but believes in compassion and tolerance? You do realize you do not need to follow and pay for a religion to have compassion? That is something you were born with and I have seen many atheists with more compassion than the most religious of human beings. Denying someone to sit in your business or hand a marriage certificate because you are catholic and using religion as your reason - is not tolerance. Catholics are not compassionate or tolerant of the LGBT community.

Of course Catholics do not think that. They might say it to you but they truly believe their religion is the only good. Oblivious to how they look from the outside. It is no different than Scientology. The believers believe. Everyone else thinks they are nuts.

It is truly sad that you are such a bitter person. I will keep you in my (Catholic) prayers.

It's amazing the assumptions people make about Catholics. Just because my church does not believe in same sex marriage does not mean I think you should not be able to do that in your church, or civilly. I may believe it is a sin, but it doesn't mean I want to deny you your right to do it. I believe abortion is gravely wrong, but I don't want to take away your right to have one. And so on. The progressive approach seems to be that it is not enough to just tolerate behavoir, but we must endorse it. Little by little, the religious beliefs that happened to find their way into our laws is being eliminated by society. That's fine if that's what we want to do civilly, but it won't change my religious beliefs.

No one wants you sitting there thinking about or tolerating all the non-Catholic "sinners" out there.

And I for one am glad they are taking religious aspects out of our laws. It's about time.

I guess the whole freedom of religion thing is passe for you? Would you regulate thought? You are kind of making my point for me. It's not enough that I would not make the same choices for myself or my family, I must endorse yours.

I think the fact that you are "in" a religion that was spoon fed to you since birth (baptism, ccd, communion, Sunday school, weekly church, confirmation) has given you the "freedom" to decide who is good, who you will tolerate, and who is evil is about the saddest comment there is. And the fact that you spoon-feed the same religion to your own kids and make your "family choices" for them is worse. Do you really believe Adam and Eve started the human race? Do you truly believe someone was dead for 3 days, came back to life, pushed a rock out of the way and was the savior? No wonder why you blindly follow loving someone of the same sex is such a big sin. If someone preached it or wrote it, it MUST be true.

Religions were formed for power and land. Nothing more. Evolution is the start of mankind. And no one gets pregnant without having sex or comes back to life. And anyone can choose to love anyone they want. It doesn't have to be endorsed by you or a made-up religion. This country isn't blindly following a fictitious book anymore. It allows religious freedom but it doesn't follow one. Same sex couples are to be treated the same. It is a civic duty of the US. Catholicism has been on a sharp decline and is now below 20% of all Americans. Everyone is fed up with your bigotry behind a "nice religion." So go ahead and not "endorse" anything you want. Not many people are following behind you.

It doesn't matter much to me what you believe - why are you so obsessed with what I believe?

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Why do kids need to learn about marriage in ok?

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Anonymous wrote:It's legal for same-sex to marry, so of course it is going to come up at school. How odd to think otherwise.

Agree. You want to be against it? Go to Catholic school. Where they say to love thy neighbor, unless they are gay.

As a Catholic, I am offended by this gross mischaracterization. Glad it's okay to "bash" some groups but not others. Hope it makes you feel better to insult my Catholic children who go to Catholic school, but I don't see how that helps at all.

Agree. I have no moral objection to same sex marriage I just hate that some liberals cannot accept that others have different views. It's so hypocritical.

+1

At the risk of derailing a thread that violated Godwin's Law 4 pages ago, the Catholic Church teaches certain things and, as an organization, professes certain beliefs and requires that it's adherents conform to those beliefs.

You don't have to share those beliefs (although your priest, bishop, archbishop and the Pope might disagree). You can be as much of a cafeteria Catholic as you want. But, when you say, "I'm Catholic," people assume that you hold the beliefs professed by the Catholic Church. If you said, "I'm sorta Catholic," or "I'm a C&E Catholic," or even, "I'm a lapsed Catholic," then people are less likely to make assumptions about your beliefs. But if you just stand up and say, "I'm Catholic," then you get the baggage that comes along with claiming allegiance.

It's not just true of Catholics. It's true of every group that expresses dogma - Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

People like PP that send their kids to catholic schools for the daily teachings of their cult are not lapsed Catholics.

Ok, I am a very lapsed Catholic (haven't been to mass or any other sacrament in over 6 years) who went to Catholic school all my life. Not all Catholic schools teach hate - the good ones teach you "this is what the church says, it's your choice to believe or not". I am a bleeding heart, Sanders voting liberal and have been since I came out of the womb. There are many things I have always disagreed with what the church said, and I told my teachers.B ut overall I took away lessons of compassion and tolerance, neither of which you are showing.

I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a cult and stop belittling it because it is not your faith or your beliefs - you're being just as close-minded and narrow as you accuse all Catholics of being.

So you are a lapsed catholic who doesn't believe in their teachings but believes in compassion and tolerance? You do realize you do not need to follow and pay for a religion to have compassion? That is something you were born with and I have seen many atheists with more compassion than the most religious of human beings. Denying someone to sit in your business or hand a marriage certificate because you are catholic and using religion as your reason - is not tolerance. Catholics are not compassionate or tolerant of the LGBT community.

Of course Catholics do not think that. They might say it to you but they truly believe their religion is the only good. Oblivious to how they look from the outside. It is no different than Scientology. The believers believe. Everyone else thinks they are nuts.

It is truly sad that you are such a bitter person. I will keep you in my (Catholic) prayers.

It's amazing the assumptions people make about Catholics. Just because my church does not believe in same sex marriage does not mean I think you should not be able to do that in your church, or civilly. I may believe it is a sin, but it doesn't mean I want to deny you your right to do it. I believe abortion is gravely wrong, but I don't want to take away your right to have one. And so on. The progressive approach seems to be that it is not enough to just tolerate behavoir, but we must endorse it. Little by little, the religious beliefs that happened to find their way into our laws is being eliminated by society. That's fine if that's what we want to do civilly, but it won't change my religious beliefs.

No one wants you sitting there thinking about or tolerating all the non-Catholic "sinners" out there.

And I for one am glad they are taking religious aspects out of our laws. It's about time.

I guess the whole freedom of religion thing is passe for you? Would you regulate thought? You are kind of making my point for me. It's not enough that I would not make the same choices for myself or my family, I must endorse yours.

I think the fact that you are "in" a religion that was spoon fed to you since birth (baptism, ccd, communion, Sunday school, weekly church, confirmation) has given you the "freedom" to decide who is good, who you will tolerate, and who is evil is about the saddest comment there is. And the fact that you spoon-feed the same religion to your own kids and make your "family choices" for them is worse. Do you really believe Adam and Eve started the human race? Do you truly believe someone was dead for 3 days, came back to life, pushed a rock out of the way and was the savior? No wonder why you blindly follow loving someone of the same sex is such a big sin. If someone preached it or wrote it, it MUST be true.

Religions were formed for power and land. Nothing more. Evolution is the start of mankind. And no one gets pregnant without having sex or comes back to life. And anyone can choose to love anyone they want. It doesn't have to be endorsed by you or a made-up religion. This country isn't blindly following a fictitious book anymore. It allows religious freedom but it doesn't follow one. Same sex couples are to be treated the same. It is a civic duty of the US. Catholicism has been on a sharp decline and is now below 20% of all Americans. Everyone is fed up with your bigotry behind a "nice religion." So go ahead and not "endorse" anything you want. Not many people are following behind you.

Well said! No one wants a Catholic endorsement for anything anyway. GDS is teaching acceptance and love at such a young age which is what all kids should learn - not something from their parents that was taught by their parents and so forth. There are LGBT and Diversity clubs in every public and secular private school that I know of. I am so sick of hearing from religious people about all these sinners and they will pray for them. Thanks but no thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids need to learn about marriage in ok?

Because families comes in all shapes and sizes these days. Single parents, mixed race parents, gay parents etc... It isn't anything to shun over anymore. It is simple. You love each other, you can get married.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do kids need to learn about marriage in ok?

Because families comes in all shapes and sizes these days. Single parents, mixed race parents, gay parents etc... It isn't anything to shun over anymore. It is simple. You love each other, you can get married.

Now, if only you *stayed* married, you'd be onto something.

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NP, I am lapsed Catholic. I believe in live and let live. I think what can be frustrating for Catholics is that some people lash out with them in a direct way that they wouldn't dare with other religions (e.g., Jewish or Muslim faiths). It's a very flawed religion, but it also is meant to teach compassion and to "love your neighbor as yourself." That's a tenet of tolerance.

Personally, I thought the religion became far too politicized under the previous two popes. (One could argue the current pope is very political as well. It's just that I agree with his views more.)

When I grew up, we were taught about helping those less fortunate, that we all the same in God's eyes. It was much more about social justice than about some of the intolerance that had marked recent leadership.

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I am not a Catholic but I can't stand by and tolerate the Catholic hate of DCUM. Catholic schools teach evolution. My son goes to Prep and he knows more about Islam, Judaism, Bhuddism, etc than most non-Catholics on this board know about Catholism. He has learned about these religions in depth at school. Jesuit education teaches tolerance and self determination. Like Judism it is more about the individual relationship to God. Just listen to the Pope. Modern Catholicism is not about judging others, it's about being a ethical person who helps others. I think the folks who describe Catholic schools as teaching kids to be members of a cult really have no idea how tolerant most Modern Catholic schools are... They have some movie version of Catholic convents from the 19 th century in mind.