Same sex marriage education at pk/k at gds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP, I am lapsed Catholic. I believe in live and let live. I think what can be frustrating for Catholics is that some people lash out with them in a direct way that they wouldn't dare with other religions (e.g., Jewish or Muslim faiths). It's a very flawed religion, but it also is meant to teach compassion and to "love your neighbor as yourself." That's a tenet of tolerance.

Personally, I thought the religion became far too politicized under the previous two popes. (One could argue the current pope is very political as well. It's just that I agree with his views more.)

When I grew up, we were taught about helping those less fortunate, that we all the same in God's eyes. It was much more about social justice than about some of the intolerance that had marked recent leadership.

But none of them love their neighbors. They love their Catholic neighbors. If their neighbor is gay, do they love them? No

[Anonymous]

For the Catholic bathers, would you feel as righteous attacking conservative and Orthodox Jews and Muslims? They also do not condone gay marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the Catholic bathers, would you feel as righteous attacking conservative and Orthodox Jews and Muslims? They also do not condone gay marriage.

Do Jews and Muslims have a single central authority that establishes and supports a doctrine? I think your question is self-evident. The orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims are a fringe of the overall establishment. Moderate Muslims and reform Jews are free to believe and practice as they wish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the Catholic bathers, would you feel as righteous attacking conservative and Orthodox Jews and Muslims? They also do not condone gay marriage.

Do Jews and Muslims have a single central authority that establishes and supports a doctrine? I think your question is self-evident. The orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims are a fringe of the overall establishment. Moderate Muslims and reform Jews are free to believe and practice as they wish.

exactly. and you also don't see orthodox jews and muslims in this country seeking to use the political process to control people who *are not even their religion* like the catholics are doing with the affordable care act and birth control, or reproductive rights in catholic hospitals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the Catholic bathers, would you feel as righteous attacking conservative and Orthodox Jews and Muslims? They also do not condone gay marriage.

Do Jews and Muslims have a single central authority that establishes and supports a doctrine? I think your question is self-evident. The orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims are a fringe of the overall establishment. Moderate Muslims and reform Jews are free to believe and practice as they wish.

exactly. and you also don't see orthodox jews and muslims in this country seeking to use the political process to control people who *are not even their religion* like the catholics are doing with the affordable care act and birth control, or reproductive rights in catholic hospitals.

The previous posts have not been about public influence or power structure, they have been critical of individual Catholics who cannot possibly love their neighbor because of their views. You are now switching lines of argument from a moral one to a political one. Do you believe that Conservative and Orthodox Jews and Muslims cannot love people who are gay?
Also, these are religious traditions that similarly consider gay acts to be sinful, deny believers within their own traditions from marrying people of the same sex, don't approve of gay parenting, etc., etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the Catholic bathers, would you feel as righteous attacking conservative and Orthodox Jews and Muslims? They also do not condone gay marriage.

Do Jews and Muslims have a single central authority that establishes and supports a doctrine? I think your question is self-evident. The orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims are a fringe of the overall establishment. Moderate Muslims and reform Jews are free to believe and practice as they wish.

+1

[Anonymous]

Wow I can't read this entire thread but to answer the op, no I do not think it is appropriate for any school to teach gender issues or any of these issues to 4 and 5 year old children. There is no reason for it except to promote a very liberal agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow I can't read this entire thread but to answer the op, no I do not think it is appropriate for any school to teach gender issues or any of these issues to 4 and 5 year old children. There is no reason for it except to promote a very liberal agenda.

Even in my kids pre-school, there were two-mom and two-dad families. I think it is ok for 2 and 3 year olds to have this explained in a simple and loving manner. That you disagree simply means the pre-schools and schools where this happens isn't right for you. That is ok. I wouldn't want my kids at a school that isn't willing to explain this or isn't accepting of it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP, I am lapsed Catholic. I believe in live and let live. I think what can be frustrating for Catholics is that some people lash out with them in a direct way that they wouldn't dare with other religions (e.g., Jewish or Muslim faiths). It's a very flawed religion, but it also is meant to teach compassion and to "love your neighbor as yourself." That's a tenet of tolerance.

Personally, I thought the religion became far too politicized under the previous two popes. (One could argue the current pope is very political as well. It's just that I agree with his views more.)

When I grew up, we were taught about helping those less fortunate, that we all the same in God's eyes. It was much more about social justice than about some of the intolerance that had marked recent leadership.

But none of them love their neighbors. They love their Catholic neighbors. If their neighbor is gay, do they love them? No

Stop speaking as if you know how all Catholics think and act. You don't. Just stop. I am a practicing Catholic who loves my gay neighbors, loves my gay co-workers, loves my sons' gay friends and loves my own gay friends. So just stop.

[Anonymous]

Then you aren't a fully committed, true Catholic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow I can't read this entire thread but to answer the op, no I do not think it is appropriate for any school to teach gender issues or any of these issues to 4 and 5 year old children. There is no reason for it except to promote a very liberal agenda.

Okay, so my daughter comes to class with the required family picture, which shows her and her two moms at the beach. Another kid starts following her around the room saying, "You have two moms? You can't have two moms. Everybody has a dad. Where's your dad? Only one of them can be your mom, which one is your real mom?"

For you, what's supposed to happen next? Because anything the teachers say or do at that point is teaching.

[Anonymous]

Practicing Catholic again. I also could care less who you love, who you are married to, what your family looks like, and what you do behind closed doors. That's none of my business. I do care, though, if you are a good person and whether you treat other people as fairly as you would like to be treated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then you aren't a fully committed, true Catholic.

And you, someone who clearly dislikes Catholics, are the judge of that???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Catholic again. I also could care less who you love, who you are married to, what your family looks like, and what you do behind closed doors. That's none of my business. I do care, though, if you are a good person and whether you treat other people as fairly as you would like to be treated. [/quote

So you denounce your religion when it says homosexuality is a sin?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then you aren't a fully committed, true Catholic.

And you, someone who clearly dislikes Catholics, are the judge of that???

No, but the Pope and all of his subordinates would agree with me.