Help me to understand transgender identity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It isn't transphobic to simply not want children to see grown men peeing in the womens bathroom. If trans are permitted then that means any man can use the womens bathroom, at any time, and no one can refuse it, because we certainly can't do underwear checks. Think about how this would or could be controlled. It can't. As such, transgender people need their own bathroom.

You are really not grasping my point about my daughter, either. I am not just worried about her but for all young girls.

It will never pass constitutional muster.

If you don't want your children to see grown men peeing in the women's bathroom, then you should be in favor of everybody getting to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender.

Keep in mind, also, that there are plenty of states that ALREADY have laws banning discrimination based on gender identity, including public bathrooms. What awful things have resulted from this? Well, nothing, actually.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even shorter PP: People are being themselves wrong!

They are not "being themselves." They are costuming like its Halloween

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even shorter PP: People are being themselves wrong!

They are not "being themselves." They are costuming like its Halloween

You: I'm being myself.
Me: No, you're not. I know more about you than you do.

[Anonymous]

OP, I have some advice for you. Learn to ignore. To use your own words. If you're not able to do that, don't use public restrooms. I don't think you have the constitution for it. All these "what if the boogey man is coming" is just messing with your head.

[Anonymous]

I wanted to echo the concern about the enforcement of gender stereotypes that's coming with all this new "acceptance."

I know a few teens and twenty somethings who have given up their birth identities and moved into pronoun territory. I find it disturbing that all of them were born female, and now discuss having short hair WITH their make up as being some kind of transgender effort. Same with buying menswear. They pretty much strike me as the Goths of today--being edgy and counterculture by insisting that everyone uses their correct pronouns, and pitching fits when that does not happen.

I also think puberty blockers and hormones should never be given to anyone under 21, or embraced as some kind of risk free proposition. If hrt therapy is no longer recommended for menopausal women, why do you think it might be okay for a sixteen year old?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wanted to echo the concern about the enforcement of gender stereotypes that's coming with all this new "acceptance."

I know a few teens and twenty somethings who have given up their birth identities and moved into pronoun territory. I find it disturbing that all of them were born female, and now discuss having short hair WITH their make up as being some kind of transgender effort. Same with buying menswear. They pretty much strike me as the Goths of today--being edgy and counterculture by insisting that everyone uses their correct pronouns, and pitching fits when that does not happen.

I also think puberty blockers and hormones should never be given to anyone under 21, or embraced as some kind of risk free proposition. If hrt therapy is no longer recommended for menopausal women, why do you think it might be okay for a sixteen year old?

If I (not transgender) think it's annoying when not-transgender people tell transgender people, "Oh, you're not transgender, you've just internalized sexist stereotypes!", imagine how annoying transgender people must find it. It's as though a non-straight person told me (who is straight), "Oh, you're not straight, you've just internalized heterosexist stereotypes!". (To be clear: no non-straight person has ever told me that.)

Also, what is the point of giving puberty blockers to somebody who is 21 or older? And HRT is no longer generally recommended for menopausal women because generally the benefits don't outweigh the risks. In different circumstances, the risk-benefit considerations are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wanted to echo the concern about the enforcement of gender stereotypes that's coming with all this new "acceptance."

I know a few teens and twenty somethings who have given up their birth identities and moved into pronoun territory. I find it disturbing that all of them were born female, and now discuss having short hair WITH their make up as being some kind of transgender effort. Same with buying menswear. They pretty much strike me as the Goths of today--being edgy and counterculture by insisting that everyone uses their correct pronouns, and pitching fits when that does not happen.

I also think puberty blockers and hormones should never be given to anyone under 21, or embraced as some kind of risk free proposition. If hrt therapy is no longer recommended for menopausal women, why do you think it might be okay for a sixteen year old?

However.

There are still plenty of butch lesbians and "effeminate" gay men who have no desire to transition or change pronouns. There are also plenty of "tomboy" straight girls and women, and straight boys and men who like traditionally female things--and they don't want to transition or change pronouns either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You wait until someone leaves or go into one with an open door like the rest of us.

Do you really peer through the gap in the door to ascertain if someone is inside? At most you look under the door to see if you see feet.

And if they happen to be pointing the wrong way, you get to go home and tell people you were almost raped in the women's room.

So you have never, while walking to the stall with an open door, seen with your peripheral vision that someone is in the stall with the closed door? Really? Some doors are so crooked that you don't need to peer. Your eye will catch a glimpse while passing by.

Like I said, people don't have issues with trans using the restrooms. It is the weirdos who will pose as transgender to gain access to the restroom that people are worried about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It isn't transphobic to simply not want children to see grown men peeing in the womens bathroom. If trans are permitted then that means any man can use the womens bathroom, at any time, and no one can refuse it, because we certainly can't do underwear checks. Think about how this would or could be controlled. It can't. As such, transgender people need their own bathroom.

You are really not grasping my point about my daughter, either. I am not just worried about her but for all young girls.

It will never pass constitutional muster.

If you don't want your children to see grown men peeing in the women's bathroom, then you should be in favor of everybody getting to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender.

Keep in mind, also, that there are plenty of states that ALREADY have laws banning discrimination based on gender identity, including public bathrooms. What awful things have resulted from this? Well, nothing, actually.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

Like I said, if this reaches SCOTUS, no transgender individuals will be permitted to use opposite sex bathrooms. What awful things have occurred? Men, trans or not, were allowed to freely walk intowomens bathrooms and nobody could do anything about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I have some advice for you. Learn to ignore. To use your own words. If you're not able to do that, don't use public restrooms. I don't think you have the constitution for it. All these "what if the boogey man is coming" is just messing with your head.

You just may be too dumbfor this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even shorter PP: People are being themselves wrong!

They are not "being themselves." They are costuming like its Halloween

You: I'm being myself.
Me: No, you're not. I know more about you than you do.

Then be yourself but not in the womens bathrooms. Last time we checked you have a penis and we don't, so you aren't like us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even shorter PP: People are being themselves wrong!

They are not "being themselves." They are costuming like its Halloween

You: I'm being myself.
Me: No, you're not. I know more about you than you do.

Then be yourself but not in the womens bathrooms. Last time we checked you have a penis and we don't, so you aren't like us.

Why are you checking people's genitalia?

Also, is that how you decide on people's gender when you meet them -- by checking on their genitalia? "Excuse me, sir, you look like a man, and you act like a man, and you say that you're a man, but you might not have the genitalia of a man, so could you please drop your pants and let me see for myself?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It isn't transphobic to simply not want children to see grown men peeing in the womens bathroom. If trans are permitted then that means any man can use the womens bathroom, at any time, and no one can refuse it, because we certainly can't do underwear checks. Think about how this would or could be controlled. It can't. As such, transgender people need their own bathroom.

You are really not grasping my point about my daughter, either. I am not just worried about her but for all young girls.

It will never pass constitutional muster.

If you don't want your children to see grown men peeing in the women's bathroom, then you should be in favor of everybody getting to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender.

Keep in mind, also, that there are plenty of states that ALREADY have laws banning discrimination based on gender identity, including public bathrooms. What awful things have resulted from this? Well, nothing, actually.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

Like I said, if this reaches SCOTUS, no transgender individuals will be permitted to use opposite sex bathrooms. What awful things have occurred? Men, trans or not, were allowed to freely walk intowomens bathrooms and nobody could do anything about it.

That's your awful thing? A person with a penis in a women's bathroom? That happens routinely in the public bathroom at my office, which is cleaned by both men and women. (I haven't checked in their pants to see what equipment they use to pee with.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You wait until someone leaves or go into one with an open door like the rest of us.

Do you really peer through the gap in the door to ascertain if someone is inside? At most you look under the door to see if you see feet.

And if they happen to be pointing the wrong way, you get to go home and tell people you were almost raped in the women's room.

So you have never, while walking to the stall with an open door, seen with your peripheral vision that someone is in the stall with the closed door? Really? Some doors are so crooked that you don't need to peer. Your eye will catch a glimpse while passing by.

Like I said, people don't have issues with trans using the restrooms. It is the weirdos who will pose as transgender to gain access to the restroom that people are worried about.

And if you saw a penis what would happen? Would your eyes burn off? If my DD saw a penis, what would happen? Would her eyes burn off? No... I may be in the position to have to talk to her about transgendered people, but that is not the end of the world either. I really do not understand why some people have such an issue with sharing a bathroom.