i wish my boyfriend was more motivated

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Anonymous wrote:Pp, I was with you until you started bemoaning the fact that you had to pay for college because you "didn't know".

This is about you, not your mom, you clearly begrudge him. Maybe he wanted to spend more time with his family.


Well, his job for the government involves a lot of travel. So we actually saw him WAY less- in fact for a few years he actually lived overseas, much to my family's chagrin.

Also, I forgot to finish my sentence about paying for college. To clarify, we didnt know there was hardly any money in our college funds. No one really told us, and my mother wasn't aware of the amounts because my father had told her there was more in them. So when it was time to apply to colleges, my father encouraged us to go to expensive, private, out of state universities, with extremely expensive tuition. The idea of getting student loans was never presented to us until AFTER our first semester, which was pretty much all that was covered by the college fund. So we very quickly had to figure out how to fill out a FAFSA and apply for loans and look into transferring schools, but we were already attending extremely expensive schools and plugged into that school culture.


PP I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous to be complaining when it was clearly your choice to stay at the expensive school. You are trying to make yourself this poor victim of your awful father, but you chose to stay. Now you have to pay that money back.


Of course I do. I actually didnt stay at the school, I transferred out. However, one semester at an extremely expensive out of state private school steal means tens of thousands in student loan debt, as do the subsequent semesters at the cheaper school I went to. Sorry, it's not as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. A father has a responsibility to accurately prepare a child for their difficulties they are about to face, particularly when they raise that child with the expectation that those difficulties wont exist for them.


So your mom was a banker and didnt get the memo that your dad wasn't ambitious when he got a JOB WITH THE GOVT? At that point, she should have gone back to work, not "rise in the ranks of volunteer boards" (WTF does that even mean, is there that much competition between all these SAHM to look important?). And I suspect after a decade of living frugally, she might have been keen to keeping any eye on the bank accounts for the college fund (you, the money was in the industry she used to work in).

There is much more dirty laundry on your family, your mom did something that ended her career besides have some kids. You will probably hear about it on someone's death bed.


LOL! Thats hysterical. All the dirty laundry came out during the divorce and trust me, that wasn't it. We didnt live THAT frugally, belonged to am extremely exclusive country club, two of us attended private schools actually- expensive ones where the cost was similar to that of a college. Which is what made the absence of money in the college fund so baffling. The frugal aspect was, as I said, no extras- not really going out to eat, having vacations which were frugal and usually involved state parks. It was a big comedown in lifestyle for my mother, who had grown up going to the theatre once a month. We were never in dire financial straits or even the kind where my mother really had to work outside the home and... get this... she was actually REALLY close with her children and none of us wanted to have her gone and unreachable for large parts of our day.


OP, you really seem like a spoiled ingrate. I know you don't agree, but your posts are just dripping with entitlement, thin-veiled manipulativeness and First World Problems. Please don't marry this guy and saddle him with the weight of your demands. I feel sorry for him for being so naive and trusting of someone who regards him as little more than a beast of burden.
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PP who divorced after six months here. Thought I was being loving by overlooking his lack of ambition and accepting his positive traits. Felt guilty breaking up with him because he was the way he is. I did him a terrible disservice and wasted 5 years of my life and his.

So the guy isn't going to be the next Jack Welch. Accept it. Marry him and spend the remainder of your life telling yourself little lies every single day about how you feel about your life with him. When you have friends in your 30s and 40s with husbands who are more striving, when you put your kids in a less than stellar school district, you will have to squelch any negative feelings whatsoever to make this work for decades.

What kind of marriage will you have? A dishonest one.

Or in the spirit of honesty, you could tell this guy very specifically what you expect from marriage.And tell him that if you two marry, his lack of motivation will always bother you....a lot. And that you've been posting about this issue on this forum because it bothers you THAT much. He deserves to know his lack of motivation will be an issue for you. You state what's true for you. He states what's true for him. That's the foundation of a healthy relationship.

Good luck to you both.

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Anonymous wrote:PP who divorced after six months here. Thought I was being loving by overlooking his lack of ambition and accepting his positive traits. Felt guilty breaking up with him because he was the way he is. I did him a terrible disservice and wasted 5 years of my life and his.

So the guy isn't going to be the next Jack Welch. Accept it. Marry him and spend the remainder of your life telling yourself little lies every single day about how you feel about your life with him. When you have friends in your 30s and 40s with husbands who are more striving, when you put your kids in a less than stellar school district, you will have to squelch any negative feelings whatsoever to make this work for decades.

What kind of marriage will you have? A dishonest one.

Or in the spirit of honesty, you could tell this guy very specifically what you expect from marriage.And tell him that if you two marry, his lack of motivation will always bother you....a lot. And that you've been posting about this issue on this forum because it bothers you THAT much. He deserves to know his lack of motivation will be an issue for you. You state what's true for you. He states what's true for him. That's the foundation of a healthy relationship.

Good luck to you both.

OP here.

We have talked about this. This is what attracted me to him initially- that he wanted a family and to provide for them. He always talks about how he wants our children to have everything they want and how we have to ensure they aren't spoiled and how he is only going to put them in private school. His intentions are great, I just don't think he realizes that to have that lifestyle we need to make choices now. He needs to find a career path that would be more lucrative or do something in that direction. Right now he makes 60K which is great for us now when we're young and single and all we do is go out to dinners and the theater but that never put kids in private school.

I am pretty motivated, I am in the process of applying to business school because I figure, since he isn't in finance, we can't have that lifestyle on just his income alone. I need to up my game and ensure that I do my best to have the life I want for us.

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Anonymous wrote:^She didnt bitch to anyone, these were observances that I and my siblings have made. Sorry, my mother was NOT a socialite and if she wanted to be one she certainly could have picked from a coterie of men better than my father. She genuinely married for love, not money, and I suppose that was her mistake. She should have found someone who was more fiscally responsible, both for her, himself, and his children. Her first priority was always her children, which was why she didnt go back to work. No matter what kind of spin you want to put on things, I know the truth. From seeing it with my own eyes.


Why do you hate your father so much? You have extreme daddy issues, making you a prime candidate for an easy, effortless pumping and dumping.


LOL! Good luck with that dude. My boyfriend would find that hilarious. It took him a while to get into my pants.


How many days?


Several months actually
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Anonymous wrote:Run, I married a man like this and it has been a disaster financially. He jumps jobs often. He is highly educated but it hasn't translated financially.


Yes, the only value of a man who is his role to bring in a paycheck. And women need birthing hips, but I believe that bonbons help fill those out.


YES, I do believe it is the role of the man to bring home the paycheck. Women can also bring home a paycheck but I don't respect any man who can't take of his family or who isn't at least trying. Bash me if you want, but these are my beliefs. If OP wants a man who can make her a SAHM she needs to be honest with her wants and go after a man who can make it happen.


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OP, my father married my mother and it was a very similar situation. She was actually VP at a national bank, at age 26, when she met my father, who had his masters and a Princeton degree and was roughly the same age, making maybe a couple thousand more. He assured he he was ambitious and wanted to make a lot of money (my mom comes from money and is generally an ambitious, industrious person), and they both talked about how they wanted her to SAHM. So she did- she gave up her career to raise us kids, and....
my father, who is not as motivated as my mother, gave up his lucrative banking career to take one working for the govt. His salary has stagnated over the past 20 years and he didnt make enough money to fund college funds. We had an okay lifestyle, but just barely getting by- not a lot of dinners out, no nice vacations, etc etc etc. My mother's lifestyle plummeted. After a few years she had four children, and had been out of the workplace for years. She likes to keep busy, so she headed many charitable organizations and the PTA. But these efforts never brought in money. And my father's motivation just decreased over time.

After about 20 years, they got a divorce. My mother did not get a lot of alimony, and had to go back to work making a pittance of what she once made. All of us children have college debt- the two oldest have substantial because we really never realized or were told that we would have to pay our way through college (both parents had their colleges fully paid for).

The moral of the story being- when someone tells you that they aren't ambitious- LISTEN TO THEM. It gets worse after you have a ring on your finger, have been out of the workplace, and basically have no financial negotiating power. if thats the life you want, find someone on the same page- and I promise there are many that share that desire. If not in the DC area, plenty in the south. And they will be thrilled that you want to raise your kids at home. Find someone who wants it- dont try to convince yourself this guy can do it when it sounds like you know in your heart that he cannot.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them."- Maya Angelou

Well it sounds like your mother lacked ambition. She is the one who gave up a "career" in banking to stay at home and head the PTA. 20 years of staying at home....and it his fault....really? Maybe when you get older you will rethink this situation.


You seem to think that every time a woman chooses to stay home, it's because her only motivation is to not work at a job. And to lay on the couch eating bon bons. When i can tell you, my mother is EXTREMELY hardworking and loves working outside of the home. I'm confused as to why you would say that she's lacking ambition when she rose through the ranks of her various charities extremely quickly and in fact was much more industrious and busy than my father. I guess because she wasn't earning money, that doesnt fit the only narrative or measure you seem to have for "working hard". But in fact, SAHM is very hard work, as is running various charities. So sit down, because you dont know what the hell you're talking about


Well let's see your mother did her charities(not really in the SAHM job description) and chose not to work- ie the charities were more important vs the money she could contributed to the household if she entered the work force. She did this for over 20 years. Now your father(who was not ambitious and did not earn enough according to you and your mother) had to worked to support your family with four kids for over 20 years. Could your mother have done her charity work without your father working? Glad your mother was able to find herself and sell you a bunch of shit out how your father did not work hard enough or make enough for you and her because he lacked ambition. She could have worked ...she could have worked her way through the business world like she did with various charities. What your mother wanted was a rich man so she could be a socialite. So I was mistaken your mother does have ambition to be a socialite. You may love your mom and hate your dad, but really? SAH mom or dad does not mean rising through the ranks of various charities while bitching to your four children that your spouse lacks ambition and does not make enough money. She comes off as a spoiled brat.


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Anonymous wrote:i am a 27 year old female dating a 26 year old guy for over a year now. although i love him dearly and he has been a wonderful, kind and generous boyfriend, i find myself increasingly disheartened by his lack of career focus and direction. its not that he is a slacker, per se, he was a brilliant student and has completed 2 fancy degrees. he just doesn't seem to try harder to get a job and build a well paying career. we are talking about the future now and i'm worried that his lack of direction and drive professionally will negatively affect our goals (getting married, affording children etc). furthermore, i really want to be able to stay home with my children for a few years and i need him to be on the path to a well paying career so we can afford to do that.

any ideas on how to deal with this? am i being too superficial?


Why do you demand career ambition from him when you, yourself, plan to be just a mommy?


Exactly. You really can't count on someone else to provide for her. Better to be able to do it on your own.
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Exactly. You really can't count on someone else to provide for her. Better to be able to do it on your own.


Really? It's 1,000x easier to bitch and whine on DCUM about how men are supposed to be the ones who bring home the bacon and if you aren't a super successful man bringing in high six figures, you are worthless. Hard work? That's for men!
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LOL! Good luck with that dude. My boyfriend would find that hilarious. It took him a while to get into my pants.


Yeah, I bet he's real proud over how you strung him along and made him wait for sex, priming the rest of your relationship.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a great example of why men are "intimidated" by ambitious, professional women. They know that she will never be satisfied.


I'm not intimidated by "ambitious, professional" women. I'd just never marry one, for obvious reasons.

They can never keep their fucking mouths shut.
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OP, people generally do not become ambitious as time goes on. They are what they are. This has been repeated to you endlessly on this thread. He may be the kindest, most compassionate guy out there but if you want someone with fire in his belly, go to grad school, meet the tons of guys there, and move on.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a great example of why men are "intimidated" by ambitious, professional women. They know that she will never be satisfied.


I'm not intimidated by "ambitious, professional" women. I'd just never marry one, for obvious reasons.

They can never keep their fucking mouths shut.


Nah it isn't an issue about them being 'yappy', I have no problem with ambitious, professional women but ambitious/professional women have a huge psychological block when it comes to dating compared to their peer men.

notably peer men will and do date 'down' SES.

Ambitious/professional women loathe it save for a few exceptions.

But no, I like ambitious professional women better in the dating stage and they're the ones who even usually write to me on dating sites to begin with in the first place.

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Op, this is what "boyfriends/dating " is for - decide if this is what you want.

Decide.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a great example of why men are "intimidated" by ambitious, professional women. They know that she will never be satisfied.


I'm not intimidated by "ambitious, professional" women. I'd just never marry one, for obvious reasons.

They can never keep their fucking mouths shut.


LOL! As if any "ambitious, professional" women would ever be interested in marrying you. Keep dreaming.
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LOL! Good luck with that dude. My boyfriend would find that hilarious. It took him a while to get into my pants.


Yeah, I bet he's real proud over how you strung him along and made him wait for sex, priming the rest of your relationship.


He loves it.
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