ICE - Face Masks and Warrants

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"?

I think we are talking past each other a bit. DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency. It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it. He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations. He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it. His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.

Did not know what a plate carrier is. Is this what you mean? https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

We are conflating issues here.. PP's DH is going after hardened criminals, more than likely with a judicial warrant signed by a magistrate and I can see the danger it poses to him and to his family. This may be the case with criminal illegals as well which I'm sure any sane judge will agree with and sign a warrant.

There's absolutely no reason for non-uniformed, masked personnel (regardless of agency) to go after non-criminal US persons with the potential for the interaction to turn into violence and impacting other citizens. Unless they are pu**ies, ICE should wear uniforms, no masks, identify themselves and follow protocols that the local police would typically follow.

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I think the point many miss in relation to ICE is that the are part of DHS-CBP. CBP agents have broader authority than traditional LEOs or even other federal agents like FBI and IRS.

CBP needs no warrants to take your phone. CBP needs no warrants to detain you. That's why deputizing all these agents under DHS-ICE have given them such broad authority.

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"?

I think we are talking past each other a bit. DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency. It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it. He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations. He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it. His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.

Did not know what a plate carrier is. Is this what you mean? https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

Basically yes. There are multiple types of body armor. As I understand it, most patrol officers wear a ballistic or tactical vest, like the one you linked to, which is good for stopping handgun rounds. You could conceal it under a loose shirt if you wanted to. A plate carrier looks similar, although its definitely bulkier and uglier. It is closer to a life jacket that you'd wear on a boat than anything else. It carries heavier duty ballistic plates that can stop higher powered ammunition, like rifle rounds.

The badge is intentionally worn on the hip next to the firearm so that anyone who notices the gun can see that the person carrying it is authorized to be armed.

Anecdotally, ERO officers are considered bottom of the barrel in terms of federal law enforcement, and it shows in how they present physically. I have defended ICE in some instances in the past, but I agree that the video from the Albemarle courthouse is alarming. I can see why that incident was disturbing to the arrestee and anyone who witnessed it.

I'm one of the PPs you've been engaging with and I just wanted to say that I appreciate you taking the time to explain the LEO perspective in a calm way. I wish we could do more of this as a society. Most of us don't know the rules and regulations that apply to LEOs, including how they have to present publicly. In the DC area where there are so many different types of LEOs, it's hard to know who's who. When you add to that open carry laws, like we have here in VA where I live, and ICE raids conducted by people that don't look like LEOs, it gets even murkier. More information is always a good thing so thanks for providing some.

Thank you for saying that. I’ve enjoyed our conversation as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"?

I think we are talking past each other a bit. DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency. It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it. He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations. He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it. His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.

Did not know what a plate carrier is. Is this what you mean? https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

We are conflating issues here.. PP's DH is going after hardened criminals, more than likely with a judicial warrant signed by a magistrate and I can see the danger it poses to him and to his family. This may be the case with criminal illegals as well which I'm sure any sane judge will agree with and sign a warrant.

There's absolutely no reason for non-uniformed, masked personnel (regardless of agency) to go after non-criminal US persons with the potential for the interaction to turn into violence and impacting other citizens. Unless they are pu**ies, ICE should wear uniforms, no masks, identify themselves and follow protocols that the local police would typically follow.

Exactly. The insane way that ICE is being used is completely different from what the poster of discussing. In the end their incompetence and behavior is going to get people like her husband put at additional risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the point many miss in relation to ICE is that the are part of DHS-CBP. CBP agents have broader authority than traditional LEOs or even other federal agents like FBI and IRS.

CBP needs no warrants to take your phone. CBP needs no warrants to detain you. That's why deputizing all these agents under DHS-ICE have given them such broad authority.

Well, this sure has to change if we want to save America.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point many miss in relation to ICE is that the are part of DHS-CBP. CBP agents have broader authority than traditional LEOs or even other federal agents like FBI and IRS.

CBP needs no warrants to take your phone. CBP needs no warrants to detain you. That's why deputizing all these agents under DHS-ICE have given them such broad authority.

That’s not true. CBP and ICE are separate entities.

[Anonymous]

Well, someone has died and fortunately it wasn't a CBP or ICE agent - although this guy tried.

Active shooter killed in attempt to ambush Border Patrol agents in Texas

https://www.fox13news.com/news/mcallen-texas-border-patrol-shooting

McALLEN, Texas - An active shooter armed with tactical gear and a rifle opened fire upon Border Patrol agents as they arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley on Monday.

Agents and local police returned fire and killed the gunman. No federal agents were hit, but one McAllen police officer was struck. Law enforcement sources say the officer is in stable condition.

"This morning an individual opened fired at the entrance of the United States Border Patrol sector annex in McAllen, Texas. Both Border Patrol agents and local police helped neutralize the shooter," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to Fox News. "This is an ongoing investigation led by the FBI. More information will be shared as it becomes available."

Law enforcement believes the attack was a purposeful ambush targeting Border Patrol officials. Local police say they will hold a news conference on the attack later Monday.

The incident comes just days after another Texas police officer was shot Friday night near U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Prairieland Detention Facility, authorities said.

[Anonymous]

well, this is all totally normal:

https://bsky.app/profile/newsjennifer.bsky.social/post/3ltfg3y2cz22j

A whole troops of armed/masked men with heavy weaponry just hanging out at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.

WTAF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:well, this is all totally normal:

https://bsky.app/profile/newsjennifer.bsky.social/post/3ltfg3y2cz22j

A whole troops of armed/masked men with heavy weaponry just hanging out at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.

WTAF.

That's a Special Response Team, which is the updated term for a SWAT team. That's why their uniforms say SRT. They look pretty typical for that role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, someone has died and fortunately it wasn't a CBP or ICE agent - although this guy tried.

Active shooter killed in attempt to ambush Border Patrol agents in Texas

https://www.fox13news.com/news/mcallen-texas-border-patrol-shooting

McALLEN, Texas - An active shooter armed with tactical gear and a rifle opened fire upon Border Patrol agents as they arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley on Monday.

Agents and local police returned fire and killed the gunman. No federal agents were hit, but one McAllen police officer was struck. Law enforcement sources say the officer is in stable condition.

"This morning an individual opened fired at the entrance of the United States Border Patrol sector annex in McAllen, Texas. Both Border Patrol agents and local police helped neutralize the shooter," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to Fox News. "This is an ongoing investigation led by the FBI. More information will be shared as it becomes available."

Law enforcement believes the attack was a purposeful ambush targeting Border Patrol officials. Local police say they will hold a news conference on the attack later Monday.

The incident comes just days after another Texas police officer was shot Friday night near U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Prairieland Detention Facility, authorities said.

That’s the kind of thing we will see more of if we don’t get this administration under control.

At least the LAPD is going to show and identify. It’s a step in the right direction and hopefully we see more of this.

https://laist.com/news/lapd-federal-immigration-agents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, someone has died and fortunately it wasn't a CBP or ICE agent - although this guy tried.

Active shooter killed in attempt to ambush Border Patrol agents in Texas

https://www.fox13news.com/news/mcallen-texas-border-patrol-shooting

McALLEN, Texas - An active shooter armed with tactical gear and a rifle opened fire upon Border Patrol agents as they arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley on Monday.

Agents and local police returned fire and killed the gunman. No federal agents were hit, but one McAllen police officer was struck. Law enforcement sources say the officer is in stable condition.

"This morning an individual opened fired at the entrance of the United States Border Patrol sector annex in McAllen, Texas. Both Border Patrol agents and local police helped neutralize the shooter," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to Fox News. "This is an ongoing investigation led by the FBI. More information will be shared as it becomes available."

Law enforcement believes the attack was a purposeful ambush targeting Border Patrol officials. Local police say they will hold a news conference on the attack later Monday.

The incident comes just days after another Texas police officer was shot Friday night near U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Prairieland Detention Facility, authorities said.

Looks like patriots fighting back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, this is all totally normal:

https://bsky.app/profile/newsjennifer.bsky.social/post/3ltfg3y2cz22j

A whole troops of armed/masked men with heavy weaponry just hanging out at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.

WTAF.

That's a Special Response Team, which is the updated term for a SWAT team. That's why their uniforms say SRT. They look pretty typical for that role.

But it’s not at all typical for SWAT teams to just show up at public parks for no reason.

Frankly SWAT teams seem to be one of the worse developments in modern American policing (as evidenced by the way they have been weaponized by crank callers).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, this is all totally normal:

https://bsky.app/profile/newsjennifer.bsky.social/post/3ltfg3y2cz22j

A whole troops of armed/masked men with heavy weaponry just hanging out at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.

WTAF.

That's a Special Response Team, which is the updated term for a SWAT team. That's why their uniforms say SRT. They look pretty typical for that role.

But it’s not at all typical for SWAT teams to just show up at public parks for no reason.

Frankly SWAT teams seem to be one of the worse developments in modern American policing (as evidenced by the way they have been weaponized by crank callers).

I agree it isn’t typical for an SRT to be randomly hanging out at a park. And absent some good reason, it is inappropriate. The post I quoted seemed to suggest they were military, and I just wanted to be clear that that’s not the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well, this is all totally normal:

https://bsky.app/profile/newsjennifer.bsky.social/post/3ltfg3y2cz22j

A whole troops of armed/masked men with heavy weaponry just hanging out at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.

WTAF.

That's a Special Response Team, which is the updated term for a SWAT team. That's why their uniforms say SRT. They look pretty typical for that role.

But it’s not at all typical for SWAT teams to just show up at public parks for no reason.

Frankly SWAT teams seem to be one of the worse developments in modern American policing (as evidenced by the way they have been weaponized by crank callers).

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/federal-agents-la-macarthur-park/3739664/?amp=1

It was more than just the toy soldiers
“Details about why the agents in tactical gear were at the park west of downtown Los Angeles were not immediately available. At least 100 federal agents, including U.S. Border Patrol and other law enforcement officers in armored vehicles, were seen on nearby streets, witnesses told NBCLA.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, someone has died and fortunately it wasn't a CBP or ICE agent - although this guy tried.

Active shooter killed in attempt to ambush Border Patrol agents in Texas

https://www.fox13news.com/news/mcallen-texas-border-patrol-shooting

McALLEN, Texas - An active shooter armed with tactical gear and a rifle opened fire upon Border Patrol agents as they arrived at a Border Patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley on Monday.

Agents and local police returned fire and killed the gunman. No federal agents were hit, but one McAllen police officer was struck. Law enforcement sources say the officer is in stable condition.

"This morning an individual opened fired at the entrance of the United States Border Patrol sector annex in McAllen, Texas. Both Border Patrol agents and local police helped neutralize the shooter," the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement to Fox News. "This is an ongoing investigation led by the FBI. More information will be shared as it becomes available."

Law enforcement believes the attack was a purposeful ambush targeting Border Patrol officials. Local police say they will hold a news conference on the attack later Monday.

The incident comes just days after another Texas police officer was shot Friday night near U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Prairieland Detention Facility, authorities said.

That’s the kind of thing we will see more of if we don’t get this administration under control.

At least the LAPD is going to show and identify. It’s a step in the right direction and hopefully we see more of this.

https://laist.com/news/lapd-federal-immigration-agents

I have said for some time now that an ICE agent or CBP agent would be murdered by someone encouraged and spurred on by the rhetoric of the radical left. This incident didn't end well for the radical activist.