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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.[/quote]

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.[/quote]

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.[/quote]

I don’t agree that’s a problem.  I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest.  We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.[/quote]

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.[/quote]

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening.  I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.[/quote]

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"? [/quote]

I think we are talking past each other a bit.  DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency.  It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it.  He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations.  He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it.  His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.  [/quote]

Did not know what a plate carrier is. Is this what you mean? https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

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We are conflating issues here.. PP's DH is going after hardened criminals, more than likely with a judicial warrant signed by a magistrate and I can see the danger it poses to him and to his family. This may be the case with criminal illegals as well which I'm sure any sane judge will agree with and sign a warrant.

There's absolutely no reason for non-uniformed, masked personnel (regardless of agency) to go after non-criminal US persons with the potential for the interaction to turn into violence and impacting other citizens. Unless they are pu**ies, ICE should wear uniforms, no masks, identify themselves and follow protocols that the local police would typically follow. [/quote]

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