ICE - Face Masks and Warrants

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Anonymous wrote:I would never go willingly with a man in a facemask who refused to show a legal badge and warrant.
That is abduction

Most people who are arrested don’t want to be. Police are used to dealing with people who refuse to go willingly.

Have you sen al the fun videos where people chase the ICE scum out of their neighborhoods?

It’s going to escalate. Should be fun. They are already identifying agents and use AI to “unmask” them to use for further searches to identify them. It’s was already going to already be a tall order to hire enough immoral scumbags to do the jobs, and it’s not going to get any easier.

And, this post right here is the very reason these agents wear masks.
And, of course the bounties set by the cartels. You see.... some of these people getting arrested by ICE still owe the cartels a bunch of money for getting them across the border. These cartel members don't like anyone interfering with their money making scheme.

Sounds like the cartels will be infiltrating and imitating ICE in order to recoup their costs.
Not a lot of background checks going on if they need a giant influx of agents and military surplus stores seem to be where they are piecing together their uniforms.

ICE, like many other federal LE agencies, is a plainclothes agency. Agencies set regulations about what clothing their agents/marshals/officers wear and they receive an annual stipend to purchase the required clothing.

My DH works for a DOJ law enforcement agency. Most of the time, he is required to wear tan work pants. He can buy pants from any brand he likes. If you saw him with his coworkers, you’d notice their clothes are all slightly different. You shouldn’t take slight differences in clothing between officers to mean anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never go willingly with a man in a facemask who refused to show a legal badge and warrant.
That is abduction

Most people who are arrested don’t want to be. Police are used to dealing with people who refuse to go willingly.

Have you sen al the fun videos where people chase the ICE scum out of their neighborhoods?

It’s going to escalate. Should be fun. They are already identifying agents and use AI to “unmask” them to use for further searches to identify them. It’s was already going to already be a tall order to hire enough immoral scumbags to do the jobs, and it’s not going to get any easier.

And, this post right here is the very reason these agents wear masks.
And, of course the bounties set by the cartels. You see.... some of these people getting arrested by ICE still owe the cartels a bunch of money for getting them across the border. These cartel members don't like anyone interfering with their money making scheme.

Sounds like the cartels will be infiltrating and imitating ICE in order to recoup their costs.
Not a lot of background checks going on if they need a giant influx of agents and military surplus stores seem to be where they are piecing together their uniforms.

ICE, like many other federal LE agencies, is a plainclothes agency. Agencies set regulations about what clothing their agents/marshals/officers wear and they receive an annual stipend to purchase the required clothing.

My DH works for a DOJ law enforcement agency. Most of the time, he is required to wear tan work pants. He can buy pants from any brand he likes. If you saw him with his coworkers, you’d notice their clothes are all slightly different. You shouldn’t take slight differences in clothing between officers to mean anything.

Clothing aside, does your DH identify which agency he is with when conducting an arrest? Does he wear a mask or the equivalent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never go willingly with a man in a facemask who refused to show a legal badge and warrant.
That is abduction

Most people who are arrested don’t want to be. Police are used to dealing with people who refuse to go willingly.

Have you sen al the fun videos where people chase the ICE scum out of their neighborhoods?

It’s going to escalate. Should be fun. They are already identifying agents and use AI to “unmask” them to use for further searches to identify them. It’s was already going to already be a tall order to hire enough immoral scumbags to do the jobs, and it’s not going to get any easier.

And, this post right here is the very reason these agents wear masks.
And, of course the bounties set by the cartels. You see.... some of these people getting arrested by ICE still owe the cartels a bunch of money for getting them across the border. These cartel members don't like anyone interfering with their money making scheme.

Sounds like the cartels will be infiltrating and imitating ICE in order to recoup their costs.
Not a lot of background checks going on if they need a giant influx of agents and military surplus stores seem to be where they are piecing together their uniforms.

ICE, like many other federal LE agencies, is a plainclothes agency. Agencies set regulations about what clothing their agents/marshals/officers wear and they receive an annual stipend to purchase the required clothing.

My DH works for a DOJ law enforcement agency. Most of the time, he is required to wear tan work pants. He can buy pants from any brand he likes. If you saw him with his coworkers, you’d notice their clothes are all slightly different. You shouldn’t take slight differences in clothing between officers to mean anything.

Clothing aside, does your DH identify which agency he is with when conducting an arrest? Does he wear a mask or the equivalent?

His plate carrier has the agency on it. He wears his badge on his hip next to his gun, so it is visible, although someone unfamiliar with that may not immediately notice it. I’ve noticed that in a few of these ICE videos.

He doesn’t wear a mask, but his agency takes other steps to protect his identity. It won’t, for example, release bodyworn camera footage, even to other DOJ agencies, without obscuring the faces of the officers involved in the arrest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm responding to the following assertion you made: "First, there is no video I’ve seen circulated on social media or by the news media that supports the assertion that agents aren’t identifying themselves to the target of their enforcement action."

This is false. One of the first and better know videos capturing an ICE arrest clearly shows that ICE officers (or whoever they are) did most certainly not identify themselves. It's the case of the Turkish grad student, Rumeysa Ozturk, who was snatched off the streets of a Boston suburb.

Here is the video (embedded in the story): https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/us/video/tufts-student-detained-rumeysa-ozturk-ice-digvid

And here is text from a news story (one of several) pointing out that the agents did not identify themselves: "In the widely seen video, masked ICE agents, refusing to identify themselves, arrested Ozturk on the street in Somerville, Mass."
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/5258058-how-ice-is-gaming-the-system-to-keep-rumeysa-ozturk-in-prison/

Have you watched the video? The masked individuals did not identify themselves. At one point the poor woman is so confused as to who the SIX masked people in plainclothes are who are swarming around her that she mentions summoning the police, and one person says, "We ARE the police." [The Somerville police subsequently released a statement saying that their officers were not involved. Not sure what "police" the masked person was referring to since they weren't police.

Watch the CNN video more closely. At the 12 second mark the 2nd ICE ERO police officer that circles behind the target pulls his badge on a chain out from his sweatshirt. That’s what undercover officers do. At the 19 second mark the female ERO officer with her badge clearly hanging around her neck enters the frame from the right.

That’s identifying themselves. You will find ERO identifying themselves in every video. You are letting your emotions suppress your ability to process the details within the videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ICE fanboy, please explain how the most prominent case of these psycho abductions (without following the law and identifying the themselves) escaped your keen eye!

See above. My keen eye catches the details.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ ICE fanboy, please explain how the most prominent case of these psycho abductions (without following the law and identifying the themselves) escaped your keen eye!

See above. My keen eye catches the details.

Oh, a split second glance is sufficient?

Whatever.

Keep defending the shit we supposedly spent decades fighting against. Fascism is fascism.

[Anonymous]

Abolish ICE! #BlackLivesMatter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ICE fanboy, please explain how the most prominent case of these psycho abductions (without following the law and identifying the themselves) escaped your keen eye!

See above. My keen eye catches the details.

Oh, a split second glance is sufficient?

Whatever.

Keep defending the shit we supposedly spent decades fighting against. Fascism is fascism.

You can pretty clearly see in the footage that once the officers pull the badges out of their clothing, they leave them visibly on their chest.

[Anonymous]

OP - states can’t do what you’re suggesting. Even if a state had a law that, for example, required law enforcement officers to show their faces, it couldn’t be enforced against federal LEOs per the supremacy clause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm responding to the following assertion you made: "First, there is no video I’ve seen circulated on social media or by the news media that supports the assertion that agents aren’t identifying themselves to the target of their enforcement action."

This is false. One of the first and better know videos capturing an ICE arrest clearly shows that ICE officers (or whoever they are) did most certainly not identify themselves. It's the case of the Turkish grad student, Rumeysa Ozturk, who was snatched off the streets of a Boston suburb.

Here is the video (embedded in the story): https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/us/video/tufts-student-detained-rumeysa-ozturk-ice-digvid

And here is text from a news story (one of several) pointing out that the agents did not identify themselves: "In the widely seen video, masked ICE agents, refusing to identify themselves, arrested Ozturk on the street in Somerville, Mass."
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/5258058-how-ice-is-gaming-the-system-to-keep-rumeysa-ozturk-in-prison/

Have you watched the video? The masked individuals did not identify themselves. At one point the poor woman is so confused as to who the SIX masked people in plainclothes are who are swarming around her that she mentions summoning the police, and one person says, "We ARE the police." [The Somerville police subsequently released a statement saying that their officers were not involved. Not sure what "police" the masked person was referring to since they weren't police.

Watch the CNN video more closely. At the 12 second mark the 2nd ICE ERO police officer that circles behind the target pulls his badge on a chain out from his sweatshirt. That’s what undercover officers do. At the 19 second mark the female ERO officer with her badge clearly hanging around her neck enters the frame from the right.

That’s identifying themselves. You will find ERO identifying themselves in every video. You are letting your emotions suppress your ability to process the details within the videos.

NP - If for example you havent pulled out and shown the individual the badge that was concealed under your sweatshirt, and not just a cursory flash, until AFTER you are physically restraining them then in my opinion you have absolutely no legitimate claim as an LEO to make about "resisting arrest" or that you were assaulted by the individual because up until that moment they fully have a legitimate presumption that they are being abducted by some unknown person and as such have every right to try and flee or fight. This kind of thing really needs to be made clear to law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ICE fanboy, please explain how the most prominent case of these psycho abductions (without following the law and identifying the themselves) escaped your keen eye!

See above. My keen eye catches the details.

Oh, a split second glance is sufficient?

Whatever.

Keep defending the shit we supposedly spent decades fighting against. Fascism is fascism.

You can pretty clearly see in the footage that once the officers pull the badges out of their clothing, they leave them visibly on their chest.

DP. At around 31 seconds in, a male and then a female say, "We're the police." What do you make of that? Do ICE agents usually go around saying, "We're the police" or are they required to say, "We're ICE agents," or "We're with Immigration and Customs Enforcement" or the like? Can any LEO say "I/we're the police" if they're not actually police but a different type of LEO? Because the student was clearly scared and confused as to who they were--i.e., it wasn't immediately apparent to her that they were LEOs. Flashing a badge without saying who you are with and why you are detaining someone does not seem to be enough, especially to someone from another country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abolish ICE! #BlackLivesMatter

Stop trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For immigration, judicial warrants are not required, just an administrative warrant issued by ICE.

Do you have a citation to back this assertion up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ICE fanboy, please explain how the most prominent case of these psycho abductions (without following the law and identifying the themselves) escaped your keen eye!

See above. My keen eye catches the details.

Oh, a split second glance is sufficient?

Whatever.

Keep defending the shit we supposedly spent decades fighting against. Fascism is fascism.

You can pretty clearly see in the footage that once the officers pull the badges out of their clothing, they leave them visibly on their chest.

DP. At around 31 seconds in, a male and then a female say, "We're the police." What do you make of that? Do ICE agents usually go around saying, "We're the police" or are they required to say, "We're ICE agents," or "We're with Immigration and Customs Enforcement" or the like? Can any LEO say "I/we're the police" if they're not actually police but a different type of LEO? Because the student was clearly scared and confused as to who they were--i.e., it wasn't immediately apparent to her that they were LEOs. Flashing a badge without saying who you are with and why you are detaining someone does not seem to be enough, especially to someone from another country.

That seems fine to me. If you’re dealing with someone who isn’t from this country and may not speak great english, it seems much clearer to initially say “police” rather than “immigration and customs enforcement.”

I’m not sure what you mean by law enforcement officers who aren’t police. Federal agents are still police officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm responding to the following assertion you made: "First, there is no video I’ve seen circulated on social media or by the news media that supports the assertion that agents aren’t identifying themselves to the target of their enforcement action."

This is false. One of the first and better know videos capturing an ICE arrest clearly shows that ICE officers (or whoever they are) did most certainly not identify themselves. It's the case of the Turkish grad student, Rumeysa Ozturk, who was snatched off the streets of a Boston suburb.

Here is the video (embedded in the story): https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/26/us/video/tufts-student-detained-rumeysa-ozturk-ice-digvid

And here is text from a news story (one of several) pointing out that the agents did not identify themselves: "In the widely seen video, masked ICE agents, refusing to identify themselves, arrested Ozturk on the street in Somerville, Mass."
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/5258058-how-ice-is-gaming-the-system-to-keep-rumeysa-ozturk-in-prison/

Have you watched the video? The masked individuals did not identify themselves. At one point the poor woman is so confused as to who the SIX masked people in plainclothes are who are swarming around her that she mentions summoning the police, and one person says, "We ARE the police." [The Somerville police subsequently released a statement saying that their officers were not involved. Not sure what "police" the masked person was referring to since they weren't police.

Watch the CNN video more closely. At the 12 second mark the 2nd ICE ERO police officer that circles behind the target pulls his badge on a chain out from his sweatshirt. That’s what undercover officers do. At the 19 second mark the female ERO officer with her badge clearly hanging around her neck enters the frame from the right.

That’s identifying themselves. You will find ERO identifying themselves in every video. You are letting your emotions suppress your ability to process the details within the videos.

NP - If for example you havent pulled out and shown the individual the badge that was concealed under your sweatshirt, and not just a cursory flash, until AFTER you are physically restraining them then in my opinion you have absolutely no legitimate claim as an LEO to make about "resisting arrest" or that you were assaulted by the individual because up until that moment they fully have a legitimate presumption that they are being abducted by some unknown person and as such have every right to try and flee or fight. This kind of thing really needs to be made clear to law enforcement.

Law enforcement knows this. It is always a defense to a charge of resisting arrest that the defendant had a good faith and reasonable belief that the person they resisted was not a LEO.