ICE - Face Masks and Warrants

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"?

I think we are talking past each other a bit. DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency. It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it. He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations. He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it. His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.

Did not know what a plate carrier is. Is this what you mean? https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

Basically yes. There are multiple types of body armor. As I understand it, most patrol officers wear a ballistic or tactical vest, like the one you linked to, which is good for stopping handgun rounds. You could conceal it under a loose shirt if you wanted to. A plate carrier looks similar, although its definitely bulkier and uglier. It is closer to a life jacket that you'd wear on a boat than anything else. It carries heavier duty ballistic plates that can stop higher powered ammunition, like rifle rounds.

The badge is intentionally worn on the hip next to the firearm so that anyone who notices the gun can see that the person carrying it is authorized to be armed.

Anecdotally, ERO officers are considered bottom of the barrel in terms of federal law enforcement, and it shows in how they present physically. I have defended ICE in some instances in the past, but I agree that the video from the Albemarle courthouse is alarming. I can see why that incident was disturbing to the arrestee and anyone who witnessed it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

His identity can’t remain secret throughout the process, can it? Does it not appear in arrest records, court documents, etc?

That would be an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s to protect the agents from cartels and leftist loons.

Oh, please, you scaredy cat.

How many members of local, state, or federal law enforcement have been harmed by cartels and loons? Bet you $20.00 the percentage is less than the corresponding percentage for the public at large.

That just means you’re scared of not only your own shadow, but also the non-existent shadow of the boogeyman who’s not even coming after you. How brave!

Thank god we load you up with disability retirement benefits that would choke a horse for such gallant bravery!

Dem here who has been participating in this discussion. By posting such things you reinforce the stereotype that all Dems are hostile to law enforcement, which is not true.

And the PP you’re responding to is unlikely to be an LEO anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

His identity can’t remain secret throughout the process, can it? Does it not appear in arrest records, court documents, etc?

That would be an issue.

I’m probably outing the agency at this point, but he works on the apprehension side, not the investigative side, so he doesn’t really testify in court frequently.

But yes, his name is certainly in paperwork that makes it back to the defendant. We take a lot of steps to make it difficult to figure out where we live and where the kids go to school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s to protect the agents
from cartels and leftist loons.

The same cartels whose relatives were recently given protected status in the US?

You mean the ones placed in the witness protection program because they just gave the DOJ the very secret and extensive organizational structure of one of the largest cartels south of the border?

Grok says there’s no evidence of your claim.

“The statement is partially accurate. Relatives of Sinaloa Cartel members entered the U.S. in May 2025 under a deal, but there's no confirmed evidence they were placed in witness protection or provided the DOJ with the cartel's full organizational structure.”

Ovidio Guzman Looez cut a plea deal on May 6th, 2025.

On May 9th 17 family members surrendered to authorities at the Mexican border. They all came with suitcases. People going to jail don’t do that.

On May 13th the DOJ announced they were charging all of the cartel leadership with Narco-Terrorism.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/sinaloa-cartel-leaders-charged-narco-terrorism-material-support-terrorism-and-drug

If it walks like a duck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s to protect the agents from cartels and leftist loons.

Oh, please, you scaredy cat.

How many members of local, state, or federal law enforcement have been harmed by cartels and loons? Bet you $20.00 the percentage is less than the corresponding percentage for the public at large.

That just means you’re scared of not only your own shadow, but also the non-existent shadow of the boogeyman who’s not even coming after you. How brave!

Thank god we load you up with disability retirement benefits that would choke a horse for such gallant bravery!

Dem here who has been participating in this discussion. By posting such things you reinforce the stereotype that all Dems are hostile to law enforcement, which is not true.

And the PP you’re responding to is unlikely to be an LEO anyway.

It is the Dems who are attacking ICE verbally, which is leading to them being attacked physically. Just today in Texas, another attack.
And it is the Dems insisting they reveal themselves, so their street militias can attack them and their families at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s to protect the agents from cartels and leftist loons.

Oh, please, you scaredy cat.

How many members of local, state, or federal law enforcement have been harmed by cartels and loons? Bet you $20.00 the percentage is less than the corresponding percentage for the public at large.

That just means you’re scared of not only your own shadow, but also the non-existent shadow of the boogeyman who’s not even coming after you. How brave!

Thank god we load you up with disability retirement benefits that would choke a horse for such gallant bravery!

Dem here who has been participating in this discussion. By posting such things you reinforce the stereotype that all Dems are hostile to law enforcement, which is not true.

And the PP you’re responding to is unlikely to be an LEO anyway.

It is the Dems who are attacking ICE verbally, which is leading to them being attacked physically. Just today in Texas, another attack.
And it is the Dems insisting they reveal themselves, so their street militias can attack them and their families at home.

Not dealing with this hysterical nonsense. Cite one time that has ever happened. Go!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For example, when they show up at a workplace and make mass arrests or wait outside a courtroom door to arrest their target, they’re doing so out in the open. What’s the need for subterfuge in those situations?

So judges don’t sneak them out of the courthouse through the jury room door.

There are also activist organizations that sit by phones and wait for calls about the presence of ICE agents. They drop everything and rush to the area to harass law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s to protect the agents from cartels and leftist loons.

Oh, please, you scaredy cat.

How many members of local, state, or federal law enforcement have been harmed by cartels and loons? Bet you $20.00 the percentage is less than the corresponding percentage for the public at large.

That just means you’re scared of not only your own shadow, but also the non-existent shadow of the boogeyman who’s not even coming after you. How brave!

Thank god we load you up with disability retirement benefits that would choke a horse for such gallant bravery!

Dem here who has been participating in this discussion. By posting such things you reinforce the stereotype that all Dems are hostile to law enforcement, which is not true.

And the PP you’re responding to is unlikely to be an LEO anyway.

It is the Dems who are attacking ICE verbally, which is leading to them being attacked physically. Just today in Texas, another attack.
And it is the Dems insisting they reveal themselves, so their street militias can attack them and their families at home.

Just like not all MAGA are January 6 insurrectionists, all "Dems" are not attacking ICE agents physically nor endorsing that action. I'm a Dem and I would never endorse that and don't know anyone that would.

Also, I'm aware of RW militias but not of Dem "street militias." Is that a thing now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do stand your ground laws work with being abducted by a masked man with no visible ID?

It’s impossible for illegal immigrants to stand their ground because they can’t legally own a gun.

When idiots do attack ICE/CBP they end up dead. This happened today.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/crime/2025/07/07/mcallen-tx-shooting-border-patrol-station-ryan-louis-mosqueda-dead-active-shooter-police/84492493007/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For example, when they show up at a workplace and make mass arrests or wait outside a courtroom door to arrest their target, they’re doing so out in the open. What’s the need for subterfuge in those situations?

So judges don’t sneak them out of the courthouse through the jury room door.

There are also activist organizations that sit by phones and wait for calls about the presence of ICE agents. They drop everything and rush to the area to harass law enforcement.

There was one judge that did that. Are there more?

The activist thing is trickier. If their behavior is just irritating, that's one thing--if they're actually laying hands on LEO, then they should be arrested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening. I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"?

I think we are talking past each other a bit. DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency. It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it. He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations. He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it. His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.

Did not know what a plate carrier is. Is this what you mean? https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

Basically yes. There are multiple types of body armor. As I understand it, most patrol officers wear a ballistic or tactical vest, like the one you linked to, which is good for stopping handgun rounds. You could conceal it under a loose shirt if you wanted to. A plate carrier looks similar, although its definitely bulkier and uglier. It is closer to a life jacket that you'd wear on a boat than anything else. It carries heavier duty ballistic plates that can stop higher powered ammunition, like rifle rounds.

The badge is intentionally worn on the hip next to the firearm so that anyone who notices the gun can see that the person carrying it is authorized to be armed.

Anecdotally, ERO officers are considered bottom of the barrel in terms of federal law enforcement, and it shows in how they present physically. I have defended ICE in some instances in the past, but I agree that the video from the Albemarle courthouse is alarming. I can see why that incident was disturbing to the arrestee and anyone who witnessed it.

I'm one of the PPs you've been engaging with and I just wanted to say that I appreciate you taking the time to explain the LEO perspective in a calm way. I wish we could do more of this as a society. Most of us don't know the rules and regulations that apply to LEOs, including how they have to present publicly. In the DC area where there are so many different types of LEOs, it's hard to know who's who. When you add to that open carry laws, like we have here in VA where I live, and ICE raids conducted by people that don't look like LEOs, it gets even murkier. More information is always a good thing so thanks for providing some.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would never go willingly with a man in a facemask who refused to show a legal badge and warrant.
That is abduction

Most people who are arrested don’t want to be. Police are used to dealing with people who refuse to go willingly.

Have you sen al the fun videos where people chase the ICE scum out of their neighborhoods?

It’s going to escalate. Should be fun. They are already identifying agents and use AI to “unmask” them to use for further searches to identify them. It’s was already going to already be a tall order to hire enough immoral scumbags to do the jobs, and it’s not going to get any easier.

And, this post right here is the very reason these agents wear masks.
And, of course the bounties set by the cartels. You see.... some of these people getting arrested by ICE still owe the cartels a bunch of money for getting them across the border. These cartel members don't like anyone interfering with their money making scheme.

So.. ICE is afraid of cartels?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Sure. Those are one-offs and small in number.. Not this national sweep up of harmless non-criminals to meet quotas and a right-wing agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.

I don’t agree that’s a problem. I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest. We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.

Sure. Those are one-offs and small in number.. Not this national sweep up of harmless non-criminals to meet quotas and a right-wing agenda.

Agreed, not to mention that I don't think anyone is arguing that LEOs "should have to plaster their last name on their chest." Displaying a generic badge or other forms of agency affiliation does not involve displaying a personal name.