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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wear a f^cking uniform already. If the work being done is honorable, don’t hide behind the argument that those being arrested / detained MAY resist. Wearing street clothes certainly doesn’t reduce the risk of that anyway … in fact, it does just the opposite.

FFS, I’m a fifth generation natural born citizen of Western European heritage and I've resorted to carrying my passport on a daily basis now, too. This has gotten goddamned ridiculous, and everyone knows it.[/quote]

Most federal LE agencies are plainclothes. This isn’t unique to ICE and it isn’t new.[/quote]

Yeah, you’re right. ALSO a problem. Let’s fix it.[/quote]

I don’t agree that’s a problem.  I don’t think the FBI agents arresting J6 insurrections or the DUSM tracking down a contract killer should have to plaster their last name on their chest.  We can have accountability without opening up law enforcement and their families to violence.[/quote]

Allowing law enforcement to conceal their identity is a surefire path to corruption and misconduct.[/quote]

Given that I’m the poster married to the DOJ LEO, I’m thankful that your proposal has exactly zero chance of happening.  I appreciate your sincerity, but I’m thankful that my husband doesn’t have to advertise our name when he’s arresting a violent fugitive.[/quote]

DP. How is wearing a uniform or continuously displaying a generic badge "advertise your name"? [/quote]

I think we are talking past each other a bit.  DH’s agency is a plainclothes agency.  It requires him to wear a badge on his hip and a plate carrier with his agency name on it.  He has a carrier issued by his agency, but he can wear whatever cargo pants, button up shirt, and sneakers that fit within his agency’s regulations.  He can also purchase a different carrier at his own expense, but he still needs to display his agency’s name on it.  His clothing identifies him as a cop and identifies his agency, but it isn’t a uniform.

When you say “uniform” I assume you mean like Virginia State Police troopers or MPD officers wear, that includes a patch worn on the chest with their name on it.  [/quote]

Did not know what a plate carrier is. [b]Is this what you mean?[/b] https://images.app.goo.gl/6gsnX4Ldn75vzCXN6

Totally agree that your husband’s name should not be displayed but glad to hear that the agency’s name must be and that he has to wear a badge on his hip. However, that does not seem to consistently be the case with ICE agents. They also have seem to have more leeway to wear whatever they want, unlike in your husband’s agency. Case in point the ICE agent at the Albemarle courthouse who was wearing a long ponytail (he’s male) and an untucked shirt worn loosely over jeans.

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Basically yes.  There are multiple types of body armor.  As I understand it, most patrol officers wear a ballistic or tactical vest, like the one you linked to, which is good for stopping handgun rounds.  You could conceal it under a loose shirt if you wanted to.  A plate carrier looks similar, although its definitely bulkier and uglier.  It is closer to a life jacket that you'd wear on a boat than anything else.  It carries heavier duty ballistic plates that can stop higher powered ammunition, like rifle rounds.

The badge is intentionally worn on the hip next to the firearm so that anyone who notices the gun can see that the person carrying it is authorized to be armed.

Anecdotally, ERO officers are considered bottom of the barrel in terms of federal law enforcement, and it shows in how they present physically.  I have defended ICE in some instances in the past, but I agree that the video from the Albemarle courthouse is alarming.  I can see why that incident was disturbing to the arrestee and anyone who witnessed it.  [/quote]

I'm one of the PPs you've been engaging with and I just wanted to say that I appreciate you taking the time to explain the LEO perspective in a calm way. I wish we could do more of this as a society. Most of us don't know the rules and regulations that apply to LEOs, including how they have to present publicly. In the DC area where there are so many different types of LEOs, it's hard to know who's who. When you add to that open carry laws, like we have here in VA where I live, and ICE raids conducted by people that don't look like LEOs, it gets even murkier. More information is always a good thing so thanks for providing some.[/quote]

Thank you for saying that.  I’ve enjoyed our conversation as well.  [/quote]

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