Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

+1

[Anonymous]

From the policy

"Schools should attempt to accommodate students with distinctive needs, including any student with a persistent and sincere belief that his or her gender differs from his or her sex. A team of appropriate school staff and other caregivers should collaborate with the parents to identify and implement reasonable accommodations or modifications, taking into account the resources and staff available in the school and school divisions, as well as the rights and needs of other students and of school staff. Single-user bathrooms and facilities should be made available in accessible areas and provided with appropriate signage, indicating accessibility for all students"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

You can’t just muse about the cause of suicides. Parental and community support of gender identity significantly reduces suicide rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7578185/

First, that’s a study of young transwomen, when the majority of the trans-identifying teenagers now are young trans men. It’s also from 2015 and earlier, which at seven years ago is not the same cohort as teenagers today. Read some detransition stories. Medicalization of young people who identify as trans happens at a never-before-seen level now.

Oh boy.

1. I just linked to the first article I liked on. Yes one study is just one study but if you actually really and truly wanted to understand the impacts of refusing to support a child who says they are gender nonconforming, you can look at a few more studies.

2. Explain to me how the bolded is relevant. This conversation is about pronouns, names, and facilities in schools. Not medical anything. The biggest "concern" anti-trans people have right now are kids who were assigned female at birth identifying as nonbinary and that almost never involves anything medical. Bringing it up is typically just a scare tactic.

3. Detransition is an issue that deserves attention and validation. Lots of trans people will be the first to tell you that. But that is also irrelevant to the issue of which pronouns and names teachers use.

+1 to all of this

These people do not argue with facts. They argue with feelings and their view of common sense. See the first long post from a Youngkin supporter on page 1.

+1

Youngkin voters have always been irrational and out of touch with reality. Nothing new here.

[Anonymous]

From the policy:

"Schools shall defer to parents to make the best decisions with respect to their children: Parents are in the best position to work with their children and, where appropriate, their children’s health care providers to determine (a) what names, nicknames, and/or pronouns, if any, shall be used for their child by teachers and school staff while their child is at school, (b) whether their child engages in any counseling or social transition at school that encourages a gender that differs from their child’s sex, or (c) whether their child expresses a gender that differs with their child’s sex while at school. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the policy:

"Schools shall defer to parents to make the best decisions with respect to their children: Parents are in the best position to work with their children and, where appropriate, their children’s health care providers to determine (a) what names, nicknames, and/or pronouns, if any, shall be used for their child by teachers and school staff while their child is at school, (b) whether their child engages in any counseling or social transition at school that encourages a gender that differs from their child’s sex, or (c) whether their child expresses a gender that differs with their child’s sex while at school. "

Parents are often the problem. As posted above, if a person is presenting as trans at school but not at home, there is a reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on kids!!!
Let’s go protest!!!!!

+1

This bigotry is going to fire up a large group of new voters.

Their votes will be thrown out.

[Anonymous]

Bravo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the policy

"Schools should attempt to accommodate students with distinctive needs, including any student with a persistent and sincere belief that his or her gender differs from his or her sex. A team of appropriate school staff and other caregivers should collaborate with the parents to identify and implement reasonable accommodations or modifications, taking into account the resources and staff available in the school and school divisions, as well as the rights and needs of other students and of school staff. Single-user bathrooms and facilities should be made available in accessible areas and provided with appropriate signage, indicating accessibility for all students"

Should.

Many schools won’t do shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin - the blood of the increased suicides will be on your hands. Go to hell you MOFO.

If this post is OK, let me say that I think Karl Frisch and others in FCPS who neglect their jobs in favor of non-stop LBGTQIA activism should be the ones given a one-way ticket to Hell.

[Anonymous]

From the policy:

"Schools shall keep parents informed about their children’s well-being: To ensure parents are able to make the best decisions with respect to their child, school personnel shall keep parents fully informed about all matters that may be reasonably expected to be important to a parent, including, and without limitation, matters related to their child’s health, and social and psychological development. Parents’ rights are affirmed by the United States Supreme Court that characterized a parent’s right to raise his or her child as “perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty interests recognized by this Court.” Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57, 65 (2000). "

[Anonymous]

From the policy

"Schools shall partner with parents: Parents are a child’s primary and most important educator. In partnership with parents, public schools, teachers, counselors, and administrators also play an essential role in the education of children in Virginia"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the policy:

"Schools shall defer to parents to make the best decisions with respect to their children: Parents are in the best position to work with their children and, where appropriate, their children’s health care providers to determine (a) what names, nicknames, and/or pronouns, if any, shall be used for their child by teachers and school staff while their child is at school, (b) whether their child engages in any counseling or social transition at school that encourages a gender that differs from their child’s sex, or (c) whether their child expresses a gender that differs with their child’s sex while at school. "

Parents are often the problem. As posted above, if a person is presenting as trans at school but not at home, there is a reason.

You could just as easily flip that and say "Schools are increasingly the problem. If a person is not presenting as trans at home, but is at school, there is a reason."

[Anonymous]

From the policy

"Schools shall respect all students: All children in Virginia have a right to learn, free from unlawful discrimination and harassment. School division policies shall therefore implement the requirements of the Act in a manner that ensures no student is discriminated against or harassed on the basis of his or her sex. To this end, local school division policies shall implement the requirements of the Act in a manner that demonstrates respect for each student. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

You haven't read the document.