Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the policy

"Schools shall respect all students: All children in Virginia have a right to learn, free from unlawful discrimination and harassment. School division policies shall therefore implement the requirements of the Act in a manner that ensures no student is discriminated against or harassed on the basis of his or her sex. To this end, local school division policies shall implement the requirements of the Act in a manner that demonstrates respect for each student. "

It’s now lawful for teachers and other school staff to misgender kids.

The document is disingenuous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

I think most people are aware of the high rate of suicides, but if you don't know your kid is transgender, and the school won't tell you that either, then you don't know what to look out for.

Exactly. The increased risk of suicide for trans kids is often cited, so why in the world would a school withhold from parents that their child has an increased suicide risk? It's never made sense to me. Parents are the ones who can arrange for a psychiatrist and therapist, not the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

You haven't read the document.

The document refutes this??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All this policy does is prevents schools from cutting parents out of their child's well being and education. It prevents schools from doing things like creating a hidden, parallel SIS account for your minor kid with a different gender, name change and diploma without your awareness or consent. It prevents deceit by the school system.

If your child is gender fluid or trans, or you think you are open to it, just send your school a signed email that says your kid has your written permkssion to experiement with gender, nicknames, pronouns and any bathroom they want to use.

The policy simply protects parents rights and brings parents into the fold.

It does not ban trans kids. That is a lie for political posturing.

Just a signed email? I thought you had to bring in legal documentation?

It does not sound like you need to bring in legal documentation.

It just sounds like you need to send in a signed letter that states you know your kid is experimenting with gender or is identifying as a different gender.

Here is the sample guidance in the policy for schools to use.

"C. The phrase “transgender student” shall mean a public school student whose parent has requested in writing, due to their child’s persistent and sincere belief that his or her gender differs from his or her sex, that their child be identified while at school.

D. An “eligible student” is a student or former student who is 18 years of age or older or a student under the age of 18 who is emancipated. See Code of Virginia, § 16.1-331 et seq. "

It looks like it just requires parents to give a signed heads up that the parent is in the loop.

And it does not say parent plural, so it seems like just one parent needs to sign the letter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

I think most people are aware of the high rate of suicides, but if you don't know your kid is transgender, and the school won't tell you that either, then you don't know what to look out for.

Exactly. The increased risk of suicide for trans kids is often cited, so why in the world would a school withhold from parents that their child has an increased suicide risk? It's never made sense to me. Parents are the ones who can arrange for a psychiatrist and therapist, not the school.

You’re saying that always happens? Parents are always supportive?

There are kids who need to hide things from their parents so that they won’t be abused and/or thrown out of the house. This has always been true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

I think most people are aware of the high rate of suicides, but if you don't know your kid is transgender, and the school won't tell you that either, then you don't know what to look out for.

Exactly. The increased risk of suicide for trans kids is often cited, so why in the world would a school withhold from parents that their child has an increased suicide risk? It's never made sense to me. Parents are the ones who can arrange for a psychiatrist and therapist, not the school.

If a teacher suspects a self-harm risk, they are required to tell the parent. The issue is that sometimes the very act of telling the parent against the student’s wishes increases the risk of self-harm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

+1

I agree with this to a point. But I think it is important for those of us who support trans rights to also recognize that it *is* also a thing right now for girls with no history of gender dysphoria nor even any stereotypical masculine interests, to play around with trans identities and identify as males or non-binaries in a social way. For some, it may be part of the usual discomfort with puberty and this is a new way to deal with it. (If there was a way not to have a gender when I was in middle school I think I would have leaped at the chance too!) The only thing these kids do that is "trans" is use the pronouns and name and wear a tighter sports bra so their breasts are less visible. Some of them aren't telling their parents because they aren't yet convinced it's a real thing and don't want to get bogged down with parental concern (or even parental support).

At the same time, there are kids who more clearly have a gender dysphoria/trans history who are on a different trajectory and need different supports. I worry that the trans kids who are on a more sustained trajectory are get caught up in a wave of backlash against a larger group of kids who are not "trans" in a sustained way, just experiencing some identity confusions during puberty. I also worry that adults are going to be too heavy-handed with these kids who are trying out identities. And I think it's wrong to put teachers in the middle of this all as reporters.

[Anonymous]

I can sign something for my non binary kid and some jerk teacher can refuse to refer to them as they.

That’s awful.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

+1

I agree with this to a point. But I think it is important for those of us who support trans rights to also recognize that it *is* also a thing right now for girls with no history of gender dysphoria nor even any stereotypical masculine interests, to play around with trans identities and identify as males or non-binaries in a social way. For some, it may be part of the usual discomfort with puberty and this is a new way to deal with it. (If there was a way not to have a gender when I was in middle school I think I would have leaped at the chance too!) The only thing these kids do that is "trans" is use the pronouns and name and wear a tighter sports bra so their breasts are less visible. Some of them aren't telling their parents because they aren't yet convinced it's a real thing and don't want to get bogged down with parental concern (or even parental support).

At the same time, there are kids who more clearly have a gender dysphoria/trans history who are on a different trajectory and need different supports. I worry that the trans kids who are on a more sustained trajectory are get caught up in a wave of backlash against a larger group of kids who are not "trans" in a sustained way, just experiencing some identity confusions during puberty. I also worry that adults are going to be too heavy-handed with these kids who are trying out identities. And I think it's wrong to put teachers in the middle of this all as reporters.

Agree. Kids can call each other whatever they want, but when adults get in on it and appear to support and sanction whatever crazy idea the teen has, it takes on a life of its own. So many of my daughter's friends are gay and trans that it seems unbelievable. All of these are wealthy white and Asian girls with liberal parents in MoCo. Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can sign something for my non binary kid and some jerk teacher can refuse to refer to them as they.

That’s awful.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

This is how I’m reading it too. It seems like in order for a teacher to actually be required to use correct names and pronouns, we have to go to court and ask for a name change and get a new birth certificate and all that. But yeah I too could be wrong.

[Anonymous]

“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

+1, teachers can protect children as well, it literally part of our job. Some parents are closed-minded A$$HOLES, why would I encourage student harm/fear? The kids who want their parents to know have already told them. If your child is trans and you don’t know, then your child is afraid of you.

+1

I agree with this to a point. But I think it is important for those of us who support trans rights to also recognize that it *is* also a thing right now for girls with no history of gender dysphoria nor even any stereotypical masculine interests, to play around with trans identities and identify as males or non-binaries in a social way. For some, it may be part of the usual discomfort with puberty and this is a new way to deal with it. (If there was a way not to have a gender when I was in middle school I think I would have leaped at the chance too!) The only thing these kids do that is "trans" is use the pronouns and name and wear a tighter sports bra so their breasts are less visible. Some of them aren't telling their parents because they aren't yet convinced it's a real thing and don't want to get bogged down with parental concern (or even parental support).

At the same time, there are kids who more clearly have a gender dysphoria/trans history who are on a different trajectory and need different supports. I worry that the trans kids who are on a more sustained trajectory are get caught up in a wave of backlash against a larger group of kids who are not "trans" in a sustained way, just experiencing some identity confusions during puberty. I also worry that adults are going to be too heavy-handed with these kids who are trying out identities. And I think it's wrong to put teachers in the middle of this all as reporters.

Agree. Kids can call each other whatever they want, but when adults get in on it and appear to support and sanction whatever crazy idea the teen has, it takes on a life of its own. So many of my daughter's friends are gay and trans that it seems unbelievable. All of these are wealthy white and Asian girls with liberal parents in MoCo. Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.

What is this “life of its own” of which you speak? Why do you think it would be so bad for a teacher to call a kid “they” instead of “she?” Why do you think doing so means you’re indulging the kid’s every whim? How would that stop a kid from figuring out things on their own?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this policy does is prevents schools from cutting parents out of their child's well being and education. It prevents schools from doing things like creating a hidden, parallel SIS account for your minor kid with a different gender, name change and diploma without your awareness or consent. It prevents deceit by the school system.

If your child is gender fluid or trans, or you think you are open to it, just send your school a signed email that says your kid has your written permkssion to experiement with gender, nicknames, pronouns and any bathroom they want to use.

The policy simply protects parents rights and brings parents into the fold.

It does not ban trans kids. That is a lie for political posturing.

Just a signed email? I thought you had to bring in legal documentation?

It does not sound like you need to bring in legal documentation.

It just sounds like you need to send in a signed letter that states you know your kid is experimenting with gender or is identifying as a different gender.

Here is the sample guidance in the policy for schools to use.

"C. The phrase “transgender student” shall mean a public school student whose parent has requested in writing, due to their child’s persistent and sincere belief that his or her gender differs from his or her sex, that their child be identified while at school.

D. An “eligible student” is a student or former student who is 18 years of age or older or a student under the age of 18 who is emancipated. See Code of Virginia, § 16.1-331 et seq. "

It looks like it just requires parents to give a signed heads up that the parent is in the loop.

And it does not say parent plural, so it seems like just one parent needs to sign the letter.

The sample guidance shows that you only need to submit legal documents if you wish to officially change your child's name on an official legal document like a high school diploma. This is entirely reasonable.


"2. [School Division] shall change the legal name or sex in a student or former student’s official record only if a parent or eligible student submits a legal document, such as a birth certificate, state- or federal-issued identification, passport, or court order substantiating the student or former student’s change of legal name or sex. "

If it is just hiving your kid permission to use another name, you just need to notify the school. This notification or permission is only necessary if it is a completely different name, not a nickname is a derivative of the legal name

Katherine to Cat, Nicholas to Cole, Robert to Bobby, Alexandria to Alex. Rachel to Ray are all nicknames that do not require parent permission according to Youngkins policy.

"School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record. "

[Anonymous]

Biden admin’s Title IX regs should hopefully quash this. They have to wade through all of the comments recently submitted but they should go into place within a year and will basically say that persistent misgendering or misnaming a student constitutes sexual harassment