Knife-wielding assailant tries to stab NY gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

+1 The guy who turned himself in at Kavanaugh’s house is charged with attempted murder and he never got anywhere near him. I mentioned way upthread that the DA is a Republican but I didn’t know about the direct Zeldin campaign connection.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

I think it was staged. A false flag.

Sure seems staged to me. The guy made a statement that he was blind drunk (alcoholic relapse), didn’t know who Zeldin was, and only went up there to take the mic from Zeldin because someone pointed him in Zeldin’s direction and told him Zeldin was disrespecting veterans. Before there were any changes filed, Zeldin predicts the guy won’t have to post bail, and then the co-chair of his campaign proceeds to submit lesser charges than she could have, such that bail wasn’t an option. Only once news outlets broke that the DA was Zeldin’s campaign co-chair did she say she would recuse herself from the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Zeldin a Jewish Republican? I hope the attacker charged with a hate crime.

Republican?

Pfffffft, this will be memory-holed before breakfast tomorrow.

Your comment aged poorly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

Any attack by one individual on another warrants outrage. Politics should not matter to normal people. If this happened to AOC, I’d feel the same way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

I think it was staged. A false flag.

Sure seems staged to me. The guy made a statement that he was blind drunk (alcoholic relapse), didn’t know who Zeldin was, and only went up there to take the mic from Zeldin because someone pointed him in Zeldin’s direction and told him Zeldin was disrespecting veterans. Before there were any changes filed, Zeldin predicts the guy won’t have to post bail, and then the co-chair of his campaign proceeds to submit lesser charges than she could have, such that bail wasn’t an option. Only once news outlets broke that the DA was Zeldin’s campaign co-chair did she say she would recuse herself from the case.

+1

I bet $20 this was staged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

Any attack by one individual on another warrants outrage. Politics should not matter to normal people. If this happened to AOC, I’d feel the same way.

Of course it warrants outrage. But it also warrants a 1st degree assault charge. But, Zeldin's campaign co-chair must be a Soros-back progressive.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

Any attack by one individual on another warrants outrage. Politics should not matter to normal people. If this happened to AOC, I’d feel the same way.

Of course it warrants outrage. But it also warrants a 1st degree assault charge. But, Zeldin's campaign co-chair must be a Soros-back progressive.

First degree assault in NY must show.

That you injured someone using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, and you had the intent to cause serious injury, or
That you injured someone, AND you had the intent to seriously and permanently disfigure
That you seriously injured someone, and you did so in manner that showed you had a depraved indifferent to human life
That you seriously injured someone while committing a felony

Since Zeldin was able to hold him off long enough to be tackled and escaped injury, it would be hard for the state of NY to prove a 1st degree assault charge, hence why he was charge with 2nd degree assault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

It was not brass knuckles it was a plastic keychain. And he did not go for Zeldin’s throat, he went to grab the mic. Why do you lie so much? Is it because you know the truth of the incident looks very bad for Zeldin?