Knife-wielding assailant tries to stab NY gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Zeldin a Jewish Republican? I hope the attacker charged with a hate crime.

Republican?

Pfffffft, this will be memory-holed before breakfast tomorrow.

Your comment aged poorly.

1,900+ views but only a few dozen comments suggests it was a spot-on


Dems are doing their best to ignore this and pretend it didn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Zeldin a Jewish Republican? I hope the attacker charged with a hate crime.

Republican?

Pfffffft, this will be memory-holed before breakfast tomorrow.

Your comment aged poorly.

1,900+ views but only a few dozen comments suggests it was a spot-on


Dems are doing their best to ignore this and pretend it didn’t happen.

You mean like all of us who are continuing to actively engage with this thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Zeldin a Jewish Republican? I hope the attacker charged with a hate crime.

Republican?

Pfffffft, this will be memory-holed before breakfast tomorrow.

Your comment aged poorly.

1,900+ views but only a few dozen comments suggests it was a spot-on


Dems are doing their best to ignore this and pretend it didn’t happen.

Do you know how many constitutes a dozen? There are 120+ responses to this thread so far, so your math is a bit off.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

What is your source for this interpretation of the statute?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

What is your source for this interpretation of the statute?

That’s not an interpretation.It’s from the State of NY site

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

What is your source for this interpretation of the statute?

That’s not an interpretation.It’s from the State of NY site

Would you please post a link to this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

What is your source for this interpretation of the statute?

That’s not an interpretation.It’s from the State of NY site

Would you please post a link to this?

That particular quote came from a lawyer in NY who is quoting NY statute. Forgive.

The first links posted were from the state of NY site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

...

Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

...

Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

What is your source for this interpretation of the statute?

That’s not an interpretation.It’s from the State of NY site

Would you please post a link to this?

That particular quote came from a lawyer in NY who is quoting NY statute. Forgive.

The first links posted were from the state of NY site.

Forgot the link:

https://www.ny-criminal-defense-lawyer.com/assault-1st-2nd-degree/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so we have problems - anyone care to share the GOP’s plans to deal with them?

I'll bite.

The first problem was that there was an attack to begin with. The political rhetoric today hasn't helped. But, this man is clearly troubled. He needs help. But, since he used a knife instead of a gun, his mental health issues don't seem to matter. He should have been evaluated as soon as he was arrested. But, he wasn't.

The second problem... and the bigger one in my opinion.... is the fact that he was free to walk the streets hours after the attack. Once again, he used a knife instead of a gun. If he had threatened him with a gun, would he still be locked up under NY law? Is a knife any less lethal than a gun? We have people who trespassed on the Capital on J6, hurt nobody, did no damage, and they are STILL being detained pre-trial. But, this guy threatened a sitting Congressman and is free within hours. Does that seem remotely right? Fortunately, the feds have stepped in, taken him into custody, and slapped federal charges on him. Maybe he'll get the help he needs now.

The desire for some of our large, progressive cities to want to swing the pendulum so far that they are now advocates for criminals instead of the victims is a huge problem. And, NYC is not alone in this.

Well said.

1. He did not have a knife.

2. It’s not clear that he was actually trying to do anything to hurt Zeldin, as opposed to just taking the microphone from him.

3. It was Zeldin’s own campaign chair who let the guy walk out.

He had brass knuckles that had two sharpened ends, a self-defense weapon. He stated “you are done” and went for Zeldin’s throat.

Who are you to question Zeldin's campaign co-chair who didn't think this amounted to a 1st degree assault?

I don’t understand what you are going for here. Federal charges were filed. As it should be. Laws were changed in 2021. And those laws presented a challenge to the local DA, who’s job it is, is to make sure charges stick. She could have taken the risk, sure. It’s my belief that if the laws had not changed, the state could have assigned bail and made the charge stick. My goal is to ensure that people like this guy are not out on the street, where they could just as easily attack a child. The law change made it more dangerous for the average individual.

Plenty of New York State prosecutors disagree with you:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/lee-zeldin-attacker-should-receive-more-serious-charge-experts/

But former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Bederow said the details in the felony complaint against Jakubonis — who’s accused of swinging “a set of self-defense knuckles which had two sharp pointed ends” at Zeldin’s throat after threatening, “You’re done” — make a case for attempted first-degree assault

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Another former Manhattan prosecutor, Jeremy Saland, also said, “I think that this would constitute attempted assault in the first degree.”

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Bederow called the caught-on-camera attack on Zeldin “an attempted assassination,” adding: “If they wanted to be really aggressive, they could have charged attempted murder.”

Zeldin's running mate and former police officer Alison Esposito:

“I am not certain that assault two is the appropriate crime when you’re taking a dagger and attempting to stab a sitting United States congressman in the neck.

They can disagree all they want but this is the law as it stands in NY:

Assault in the First Degree
A “Class B Violent Felony” Assault in the First Degree involves the requisite intent of the other two degrees of Assault, except that the “intent to cause serious physical injury” to the person of another is carried-out with the use of a “deadly weapon or dangerous instrument”. For example if an individual stabbed another person in the chest with a knife thereby causing a punctured lung, this would meet the elements of Assault in the First Degree.

What is your source for this interpretation of the statute?

That’s not an interpretation.It’s from the State of NY site

Would you please post a link to this?

First link here:

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/120.10

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Anonymous wrote:Is Zeldin a Jewish Republican? I hope the attacker charged with a hate crime.

Republican?

Pfffffft, this will be memory-holed before breakfast tomorrow.

Your comment aged poorly.

1,900+ views but only a few dozen comments suggests it was a spot-on


Dems are doing their best to ignore this and pretend it didn’t happen.

You mean the Democrat appointed US attorney who charged the attacker with a federal crime? Strange way to pretend it didn't happen.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

Any attack by one individual on another warrants outrage. Politics should not matter to normal people. If this happened to AOC, I’d feel the same way.

Of course it warrants outrage. But it also warrants a 1st degree assault charge. But, Zeldin's campaign co-chair must be a Soros-back progressive.

First degree assault in NY must show.

That you injured someone using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, and you had the intent to cause serious injury, or
That you injured someone, AND you had the intent to seriously and permanently disfigure
That you seriously injured someone, and you did so in manner that showed you had a depraved indifferent to human life
That you seriously injured someone while committing a felony

Since Zeldin was able to hold him off long enough to be tackled and escaped injury, it would be hard for the state of NY to prove a 1st degree assault charge, hence why he was charge with 2nd degree assault.

Did you even watch the video???? This was a slow walking guy waving what turned out to be a plastic kitty ears key chain. I'm from Long Island and I'll bet a $100 Zeldin was "assaulted" 10x worse than that in the high school he attended. Just pathetic.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

Any attack by one individual on another warrants outrage. Politics should not matter to normal people. If this happened to AOC, I’d feel the same way.

Of course it warrants outrage. But it also warrants a 1st degree assault charge. But, Zeldin's campaign co-chair must be a Soros-back progressive.

First degree assault in NY must show.

That you injured someone using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, and you had the intent to cause serious injury, or
That you injured someone, AND you had the intent to seriously and permanently disfigure
That you seriously injured someone, and you did so in manner that showed you had a depraved indifferent to human life
That you seriously injured someone while committing a felony

Since Zeldin was able to hold him off long enough to be tackled and escaped injury, it would be hard for the state of NY to prove a 1st degree assault charge, hence why he was charge with 2nd degree assault.

Did you even watch the video???? This was a slow walking guy waving what turned out to be a plastic kitty ears key chain. I'm from Long Island and I'll bet a $100 Zeldin was "assaulted" 10x worse than that in the high school he attended. Just pathetic.

Clearly, you have no idea what you’re talking about. These are self-defense weapons and illegal in some states. But sure - just a big nothingburger.

This unique cat self-defensive keychain packs a sharp punch! The eyes of the cat become finger holes and the ears become spikes when clutched in your hand to create an excellent means of surprise-defense against an attacker. This cat self-defense keychain is a perfect but harmless looking piece of protection.
https://thewellarmedwoman.com/product/cat-self-defense-keychain-various-colors/
https://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore.com/products/brutus-bulldog-self-defense-keychain-knuckle-weapon-black

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Maybe it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I did a quick check and didn't see it. Sandra Doorley, the District Attorney who charged Jakubonis with second degree assault is a co-chair of Zeldin's campaign. Because the charge was second degree and not first degree, Jakubonis was eligible for release. So, I don't think the repeated attempts to blame Jakubonis' release on progressives are warranted. To the contrary, Zeldin's own campaign co-chair is to blame.

Cashless bail was brought into law January 1, 2020. Wasn't Doorley simply following the law? Didn't she have to? Who wrote the law?

If Jakubonis had been charged with first degree assault, he would not have been eligible for release. Zeldin Campaign Co-Chair and District Attorney Doorley inexplicably chose the lesser 2nd degree charge. Because this appears to have been an attempt to inflict serious injury with a weapon, the first degree charge is justified. For that matter, an attempted murder charge would not be out of the question.

The goal of a DA is to ensure a charge sticks. Given the weapon’s size and Jakubonis’ state of mind (and seemingly intoxicated state), it made sense to go with the lesser charge. Regardless, if the law had not been changed, there would have been bail.

So now you are saying that this incident didn't amount to much? Then I guess none of this outrage is warranted.

Any attack by one individual on another warrants outrage. Politics should not matter to normal people. If this happened to AOC, I’d feel the same way.

Of course it warrants outrage. But it also warrants a 1st degree assault charge. But, Zeldin's campaign co-chair must be a Soros-back progressive.

First degree assault in NY must show.

That you injured someone using a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, and you had the intent to cause serious injury, or
That you injured someone, AND you had the intent to seriously and permanently disfigure
That you seriously injured someone, and you did so in manner that showed you had a depraved indifferent to human life
That you seriously injured someone while committing a felony

Since Zeldin was able to hold him off long enough to be tackled and escaped injury, it would be hard for the state of NY to prove a 1st degree assault charge, hence why he was charge with 2nd degree assault.

Did you even watch the video???? This was a slow walking guy waving what turned out to be a plastic kitty ears key chain. I'm from Long Island and I'll bet a $100 Zeldin was "assaulted" 10x worse than that in the high school he attended. Just pathetic.

Clearly, you have no idea what you’re talking about. These are self-defense weapons and illegal in some states. But sure - just a big nothingburger.

This unique cat self-defensive keychain packs a sharp punch! The eyes of the cat become finger holes and the ears become spikes when clutched in your hand to create an excellent means of surprise-defense against an attacker. This cat self-defense keychain is a perfect but harmless looking piece of protection.
https://thewellarmedwoman.com/product/cat-self-defense-keychain-various-colors/
https://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore.com/products/brutus-bulldog-self-defense-keychain-knuckle-weapon-black
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It's fake-a** drama. At no point was Zeldin "assaulted". The guy is despicable for staging and amplifying this non-event. And The Base is just eating it up.