How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are blaming Trump and his perennial low 40s approval is going down below 40 sooner or later. This isn’t gonna help him add new voters for sure. He started with a 3 million vote deficit and in 2018 mid term PA,MI,WI,IA,AZ,GA,TX, NC etc has moved left. He has driven away women of all color, Hispanics, Asians, and of course blacks. This is not gonna end well for the conman in chief. He has lost support in every single state since he was selected by the Slavery era EC in 2016.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-gop-blamed-shutdown-crisis-fewer-oppose-wall/story?id=60337670

I mean he’s definitely lost some support around the margins, but we just had mid-term elections and those states aren’t moving Democratic enough to ensure he’s defeated in 2020. Best case scenario Dems win narrowly, same states as 2016 but adding 3 narrow victories in PA/WI/MI. I don’t think the other states are going to vote for a D for president any time soon although it’s definitely true that statewide, D’s are having more success in those states.

You are living in fools paradise. Keep living there. AZ elected it’s first dem senator in 3 decades. IA elected 3/4 dem reps and it used to be 1/4 before 2018. PA gave 3 more reps and dems won statewide elections by over 10% (PA used to be a 5% margin state for dems ). GA almost elected a dem gov despite voter suppression and dems added a house seat. TX Beto came within 3% in the mid term and 2020TX becomes purple state. NC is gonna give NC9 to dems after GOP was caught red handed in election fraud. WI and MI gave dems a bigger margin than even in 2008.

Overall dems won the house by 9%(the highest in recorded history) and got 40 seats , the highest since Nixon.

And all this in a mid term election when the gop is supposed to be voting and dems don’t vote as much. Imagine what will happen in presidential year when dems actually come out in droves to vote.

Trump has totally lost many of his voters because he hasn’t changed anything but pass another tax cuts for the wealthy. There are no more coal, steel jobs in thousands. Opioid addiction reaches its worst in 2018. And farms are suffering due to trade war and tariffs. He hasn’t made China bow to him and instead has crashed the stock market and Agri market.

I’m the PP and I’m a Democrat just very pessimistic. I see states like Ohio, Iowa, and Florida completely getting away from D’s, going from swing states to red states, while some of the states you mentioned (AZ, NC, TX, etc.) aren’t turning blue fast enough. I still feel like in 2020 it’s going to come down to less than 100,000 votes in the Midwest again just like 2016.

Virtually impossible. Pence is unelectable (assuming he's not in jail).

[Anonymous]

When you have no idea how Congress and Congressional leadership works...

https://www.axios.com/government-shutdown-status-end-donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-d936ecec-af9b-403d-9f98-a51172882696.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you have no idea how Congress and Congressional leadership works...

https://www.axios.com/government-shutdown-status-end-donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-d936ecec-af9b-403d-9f98-a51172882696.html

There are no words for the ineptitude.

[Anonymous]

It's going to end by Friday.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody cares about the shutdown anymore, especially outside DC. It is yesterday’s news, the new normal, whatever you want to call it. Just look at CNN, even they are barely discussing it now. The news cycle is short, and the shutdown is long, so it’s no longer a story.

This is not true. Most of the furloughed workers are outside of DC area. American farmers also care about the shutdown since it is hurting them.

Only 15% of federal workers are in the DC metro area (DC, MD, No. VA)

Yes, but it’s only 800K people out of 320 million. And it has gone on for almost a month. How long do you honestly expect people to care?

Nice try.
The effects are growing exponentially all across the country. And people blame Trump and his Repub minions.

Sorry, but no. Airport security lines are short, planes are flying normally, and the National Mall is trash free, contrary to what the Fake News media would have you believe. The President has the upper hand on this one and can easily keep the shutdown going without losing support. In fact, it’s what his base expects and demands. Stand strong, Mr. President!

Airport in Houston just closed a checkpoint due to staffing shortage. Second airport to do this since Friday.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/terminal-b-in-houstons-george-bush-intercontinental-airport-closes

[Anonymous]

It looks like Lindsey Graham doesn’t want Trump to declare a national emergency. Not that I can blame him, it’s a horrible precidant to set.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c3b4c5be4b0922a21d5c97e/amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are blaming Trump and his perennial low 40s approval is going down below 40 sooner or later. This isn’t gonna help him add new voters for sure. He started with a 3 million vote deficit and in 2018 mid term PA,MI,WI,IA,AZ,GA,TX, NC etc has moved left. He has driven away women of all color, Hispanics, Asians, and of course blacks. This is not gonna end well for the conman in chief. He has lost support in every single state since he was selected by the Slavery era EC in 2016.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-gop-blamed-shutdown-crisis-fewer-oppose-wall/story?id=60337670

I mean he’s definitely lost some support around the margins, but we just had mid-term elections and those states aren’t moving Democratic enough to ensure he’s defeated in 2020. Best case scenario Dems win narrowly, same states as 2016 but adding 3 narrow victories in PA/WI/MI. I don’t think the other states are going to vote for a D for president any time soon although it’s definitely true that statewide, D’s are having more success in those states.

You are living in fools paradise. Keep living there. AZ elected it’s first dem senator in 3 decades. IA elected 3/4 dem reps and it used to be 1/4 before 2018. PA gave 3 more reps and dems won statewide elections by over 10% (PA used to be a 5% margin state for dems ). GA almost elected a dem gov despite voter suppression and dems added a house seat. TX Beto came within 3% in the mid term and 2020TX becomes purple state. NC is gonna give NC9 to dems after GOP was caught red handed in election fraud. WI and MI gave dems a bigger margin than even in 2008.

Overall dems won the house by 9%(the highest in recorded history) and got 40 seats , the highest since Nixon.

And all this in a mid term election when the gop is supposed to be voting and dems don’t vote as much. Imagine what will happen in presidential year when dems actually come out in droves to vote.

Trump has totally lost many of his voters because he hasn’t changed anything but pass another tax cuts for the wealthy. There are no more coal, steel jobs in thousands. Opioid addiction reaches its worst in 2018. And farms are suffering due to trade war and tariffs. He hasn’t made China bow to him and instead has crashed the stock market and Agri market.

I’m the PP and I’m a Democrat just very pessimistic. I see states like Ohio, Iowa, and Florida completely getting away from D’s, going from swing states to red states, while some of the states you mentioned (AZ, NC, TX, etc.) aren’t turning blue fast enough. I still feel like in 2020 it’s going to come down to less than 100,000 votes in the Midwest again just like 2016.

Iowa elected 3 dems out of 4 congressional seats in 2018 while they had only 1/4 before. OH elected a dem senator statewide with over 10% margin. So both OH and IA are very much in play.FL is a swing state as both the senator(rick scott who is popular) and governor(Gillum lost because he is black and also due to the fbi investigation) elections were won by less than 0.5% margin.

NC is absolutely not too far off. Triangle counties are growing like 100K every year and they vote 60% dem. So NC is very much in play in 2020.

AZ just elected a dem senator and a gay one to boot. So AZ is joining NC in 2020. TX may not be ready for 2020 but it will force the gop to spend there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody cares about the shutdown anymore, especially outside DC. It is yesterday’s news, the new normal, whatever you want to call it. Just look at CNN, even they are barely discussing it now. The news cycle is short, and the shutdown is long, so it’s no longer a story.

This is not true. Most of the furloughed workers are outside of DC area. American farmers also care about the shutdown since it is hurting them.

Only 15% of federal workers are in the DC metro area (DC, MD, No. VA)

Yes, but it’s only 800K people out of 320 million. And it has gone on for almost a month. How long do you honestly expect people to care?

Nice try.
The effects are growing exponentially all across the country. And people blame Trump and his Repub minions.

Sorry, but no. Airport security lines are short, planes are flying normally, and the National Mall is trash free, contrary to what the Fake News media would have you believe. The President has the upper hand on this one and can easily keep the shutdown going without losing support. In fact, it’s what his base expects and demands. Stand strong, Mr. President!

Airport in Houston just closed a checkpoint due to staffing shortage. Second airport to do this since Friday.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/terminal-b-in-houstons-george-bush-intercontinental-airport-closes

Nobody cares about Miami. Not PP and not me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody cares about the shutdown anymore, especially outside DC. It is yesterday’s news, the new normal, whatever you want to call it. Just look at CNN, even they are barely discussing it now. The news cycle is short, and the shutdown is long, so it’s no longer a story.

This is not true. Most of the furloughed workers are outside of DC area. American farmers also care about the shutdown since it is hurting them.

Only 15% of federal workers are in the DC metro area (DC, MD, No. VA)

Yes, but it’s only 800K people out of 320 million. And it has gone on for almost a month. How long do you honestly expect people to care?

Nice try.
The effects are growing exponentially all across the country. And people blame Trump and his Repub minions.

Sorry, but no. Airport security lines are short, planes are flying normally, and the National Mall is trash free, contrary to what the Fake News media would have you believe. The President has the upper hand on this one and can easily keep the shutdown going without losing support. In fact, it’s what his base expects and demands. Stand strong, Mr. President!

The public is blaming the conman who shouted loudly that he would love to take the blame and be proud of it. So Americans are obliging and blaming him by a Yuge margin. And his approval is tanking below 40% in CNN poll.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/13/government-shutdown-republicans-trump-1098723

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody cares about the shutdown anymore, especially outside DC. It is yesterday’s news, the new normal, whatever you want to call it. Just look at CNN, even they are barely discussing it now. The news cycle is short, and the shutdown is long, so it’s no longer a story.

This is not true. Most of the furloughed workers are outside of DC area. American farmers also care about the shutdown since it is hurting them.

Only 15% of federal workers are in the DC metro area (DC, MD, No. VA)

Yes, but it’s only 800K people out of 320 million. And it has gone on for almost a month. How long do you honestly expect people to care?

Nice try.
The effects are growing exponentially all across the country. And people blame Trump and his Repub minions.

Sorry, but no. Airport security lines are short, planes are flying normally, and the National Mall is trash free, contrary to what the Fake News media would have you believe. The President has the upper hand on this one and can easily keep the shutdown going without losing support. In fact, it’s what his base expects and demands. Stand strong, Mr. President!

Airport in Houston just closed a checkpoint due to staffing shortage. Second airport to do this since Friday.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/terminal-b-in-houstons-george-bush-intercontinental-airport-closes

Nobody cares about Miami. Not PP and not me.

You think people don’t care about limited flights to Miami in January? Can’t speak for Houston, it is awful but I guess people still need to go there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody cares about the shutdown anymore, especially outside DC. It is yesterday’s news, the new normal, whatever you want to call it. Just look at CNN, even they are barely discussing it now. The news cycle is short, and the shutdown is long, so it’s no longer a story.

This is not true. Most of the furloughed workers are outside of DC area. American farmers also care about the shutdown since it is hurting them.

Only 15% of federal workers are in the DC metro area (DC, MD, No. VA)

Yes, but it’s only 800K people out of 320 million. And it has gone on for almost a month. How long do you honestly expect people to care?

Nice try.
The effects are growing exponentially all across the country. And people blame Trump and his Repub minions.

Sorry, but no. Airport security lines are short, planes are flying normally, and the National Mall is trash free, contrary to what the Fake News media would have you believe. The President has the upper hand on this one and can easily keep the shutdown going without losing support. In fact, it’s what his base expects and demands. Stand strong, Mr. President!

The Mall is trash free because the DC government has been taking care of it and billing the federal government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's going to end by Friday.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to end by Friday.

Agreed.

Why do you say this? I hope you are right. As the non fed in our household my stress level is through the roof. We live modestly & have a damn buffer- but jfc. Also, husband is a contractor & won’t get paid. So no, it’s not a vacation.
I’m just anxious that this will happen again, and again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to end by Friday.

Agreed.

How do you know? I think it's going on until February.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's going to end by Friday.

Agreed.

How do you know? I think it's going on until February.

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This. Is there insider info or just hopeful thinking?