why doesn't hamas surrender?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HAMAS is a death-cult.

They literally want to die in order to become martyrs.

The AUDACITY of a ZIONIST calling someone else but THEMSELF a death cult. Your policies kill innocent children

every.single.day.

My close American friend just got back from Gaza where he volunteered as a doctor for a couple of weeks. He received multiple victims with gunshots to the head from food aid traps. He video taped it! Mostly children and teenagers.

Zionists want “Chaim” for themselves and death to everybody who resists the outright thievery of their homes.

You dodged the question.

It’s true that Hamas slaughtered over a thousand civilians (including attacking a civilian music festival) and continues to hold hostages, which is a flagrant human right abuse. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Don’t you agree with these simple facts? (I’m not interested in your childish what-aboutisms. Do you agree or not?).

[Anonymous]

I would be happy to get on board with recognizing Palestine if Hamas surrendered. Right now, if Hamas prevailed, it would mean that you can gain statehood by slaughtering your neighbors. I can't get on board with that. I don't like what's going on in Palestine, but it's not like the violence would end if we recognized Palestine and Israel backed down. All that would change is that the violence would be in both directions. It really, really sucks that innocent people are being harmed by this, but I can't see how handing a terrorist organization a nation is the right path forward for peace. If anyone can explain it to me calmly, without calling me names, I am open to hearing because I genuinely don't understand. Right now, the argument is just "people are starving"-- which is bad, but how does statehood or Israel backing down reduce the violence when we know full well that Hamas and Iran want to continue it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy to get on board with recognizing Palestine if Hamas surrendered. Right now, if Hamas prevailed, it would mean that you can gain statehood by slaughtering your neighbors. I can't get on board with that. I don't like what's going on in Palestine, but it's not like the violence would end if we recognized Palestine and Israel backed down. All that would change is that the violence would be in both directions. It really, really sucks that innocent people are being harmed by this, but I can't see how handing a terrorist organization a nation is the right path forward for peace. If anyone can explain it to me calmly, without calling me names, I am open to hearing because I genuinely don't understand. Right now, the argument is just "people are starving"-- which is bad, but how does statehood or Israel backing down reduce the violence when we know full well that Hamas and Iran want to continue it?

So Israel has legitimized itself by committing violence against the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are delegitimizing themselves by standing up to the violence? Got it. I realize that the justification for stealing their land is that a magical man in the sky says you deserve to, but maybe think critically for a minute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HAMAS is a death-cult.

They literally want to die in order to become martyrs.

The AUDACITY of a ZIONIST calling someone else but THEMSELF a death cult. Your policies kill innocent children

every.single.day.

My close American friend just got back from Gaza where he volunteered as a doctor for a couple of weeks. He received multiple victims with gunshots to the head from food aid traps. He video taped it! Mostly children and teenagers.

Zionists want “Chaim” for themselves and death to everybody who resists the outright thievery of their homes.

You dodged the question.

It’s true that Hamas slaughtered over a thousand civilians (including attacking a civilian music festival) and continues to hold hostages, which is a flagrant human right abuse. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Don’t you agree with these simple facts? (I’m not interested in your childish what-aboutisms. Do you agree or not?).

DP. Most of the evidence suggests that the majority of Israeli civilians deaths on Oct7 were result of IDF tank and artillery fire. The area in which Oct7 happened is moderate and a stronghold of opposition against Netanyahu. One of the few areas in the country like that. It seems very convenient that this area had troops moved to other areas of Israel before the attack, the IDF showed little concern for civilians collateral damage and Israel has done nothing to get the hostages taken from the area back.

[Anonymous]

What you are seeing in Gaza has nothing to do with getting the hostages back, defense of Israel or revenge for Oct7. This is all part of the plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What you are seeing in Gaza has nothing to do with getting the hostages back, defense of Israel or revenge for Oct7. This is all part of the plan.

Sure, sure. Whatever, conspiracy-theory nutjob.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HAMAS is a death-cult.

They literally want to die in order to become martyrs.

The AUDACITY of a ZIONIST calling someone else but THEMSELF a death cult. Your policies kill innocent children

every.single.day.

My close American friend just got back from Gaza where he volunteered as a doctor for a couple of weeks. He received multiple victims with gunshots to the head from food aid traps. He video taped it! Mostly children and teenagers.

Zionists want “Chaim” for themselves and death to everybody who resists the outright thievery of their homes.

You dodged the question.

It’s true that Hamas slaughtered over a thousand civilians (including attacking a civilian music festival) and continues to hold hostages, which is a flagrant human right abuse. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Don’t you agree with these simple facts? (I’m not interested in your childish what-aboutisms. Do you agree or not?).

DP. Most of the evidence suggests that the majority of Israeli civilians deaths on Oct7 were result of IDF tank and artillery fire. The area in which Oct7 happened is moderate and a stronghold of opposition against Netanyahu. One of the few areas in the country like that. It seems very convenient that this area had troops moved to other areas of Israel before the attack, the IDF showed little concern for civilians collateral damage and Israel has done nothing to get the hostages taken from the area back.

I mean, what? Are you serious? Whatever else you think about this situation, that is just absolutely dishonest nonsense. Hamas owns every one of those deaths, they filmed them, they broadcast them, they shared them with the world. Even the Arab states acknowledge Hamas killed over a thousand people on 10/7, it's not up for debate. If you are going to start an argument with such absolute revisionist history and BS, then nothing else you say is worth listening to.

And full disclosure, I lost several friends at Kibbutz Nir Oz. I don't support the current Israeli governement's handling of the his war, nor do most of my Israeli friends and family members. But I will not stay silent in the face of such absolute dishonesty about what happened that day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas IS the government of Gaza (but not the West Bank).

Hamas - a designated terrorist organization- runs all education and schools in Gaza.

Here is the education provided to all children in Gaza:

OMFG. Who would intentionally do such atrocious things to the minds of their own children?!?!

Absolute monsters!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you are seeing in Gaza has nothing to do with getting the hostages back, defense of Israel or revenge for Oct7. This is all part of the plan.

Sure, sure. Whatever, conspiracy-theory nutjob.

Hasbara troll here for duty!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas IS the government of Gaza (but not the West Bank).

Hamas - a designated terrorist organization- runs all education and schools in Gaza.

Here is the education provided to all children in Gaza:

OMFG. Who would intentionally do such atrocious things to the minds of their own children?!?!

Absolute monsters!

I ask my seemingly moderate American Jewish friends the same question. Years of being told they are ‘the chosen people’, that ‘Israel is THEIR homeland’, that Palestinians are ‘terrorists’. How could their parents and Jewish institutions teach them that??

I still recall my Ivy educated Jewish (otherwise liberal) friends saying things like ‘Beth, you don’t understand, these people (meaning Palestinians) are not like you and me, they’re animals’ or laughing about some joke about IDF ‘warning shots’ = a bullet to the head of a Palestinian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy to get on board with recognizing Palestine if Hamas surrendered. Right now, if Hamas prevailed, it would mean that you can gain statehood by slaughtering your neighbors. I can't get on board with that. I don't like what's going on in Palestine, but it's not like the violence would end if we recognized Palestine and Israel backed down. All that would change is that the violence would be in both directions. It really, really sucks that innocent people are being harmed by this, but I can't see how handing a terrorist organization a nation is the right path forward for peace. If anyone can explain it to me calmly, without calling me names, I am open to hearing because I genuinely don't understand. Right now, the argument is just "people are starving"-- which is bad, but how does statehood or Israel backing down reduce the violence when we know full well that Hamas and Iran want to continue it?

So Israel has legitimized itself by committing violence against the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are delegitimizing themselves by standing up to the violence? Got it. I realize that the justification for stealing their land is that a magical man in the sky says you deserve to, but maybe think critically for a minute.

They are both violent. But only one of the countries is actively hostile toward the US. It's hard to understand why it's in the US interest to empower Hamas. They will only use that power to harm us. It's not about who's legitimate here- its about who is more likely to kill us. We can be against famine in Palestine while also expecting Hamas to step aside. I don't understand at all why the left is supporting Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy to get on board with recognizing Palestine if Hamas surrendered. Right now, if Hamas prevailed, it would mean that you can gain statehood by slaughtering your neighbors. I can't get on board with that. I don't like what's going on in Palestine, but it's not like the violence would end if we recognized Palestine and Israel backed down. All that would change is that the violence would be in both directions. It really, really sucks that innocent people are being harmed by this, but I can't see how handing a terrorist organization a nation is the right path forward for peace. If anyone can explain it to me calmly, without calling me names, I am open to hearing because I genuinely don't understand. Right now, the argument is just "people are starving"-- which is bad, but how does statehood or Israel backing down reduce the violence when we know full well that Hamas and Iran want to continue it?

So Israel has legitimized itself by committing violence against the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are delegitimizing themselves by standing up to the violence? Got it. I realize that the justification for stealing their land is that a magical man in the sky says you deserve to, but maybe think critically for a minute.

They are both violent. But only one of the countries is actively hostile toward the US. It's hard to understand why it's in the US interest to empower Hamas. They will only use that power to harm us. It's not about who's legitimate here- its about who is more likely to kill us. We can be against famine in Palestine while also expecting Hamas to step aside. I don't understand at all why the left is supporting Hamas.

Hamas is actively hostile. However, Israel is more likely to drag us into another drawn out military conflict in the Middle East like they tried to do with Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is a genocide, Israel sucks at it. More than 30 months in and the Palestinians keep birthing babies and carrying on. You’d think they’d be more efficient.

With your mindset, Hitler was also terribly inefficient and sucked at genocide, because the Jewish people kept having babies. Lots and lots of them in fact.

Actually, they didn’t. The Jewish population in 1940 was about 16.5 million. Today it’s 15.7 million. Six million Jews died in the Holocaust and then they’ve been subject to persecution across North Africa and the Middle East at the hands of Islamists in places like Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, etc further diminishing populations and fertility rates.

It doesn’t mean Palestinians are thriving. But to say that Jews have somehow rebounded from an actual genocide by having “lots of babies” is not true. On the other hand, Palestinian birth rates have skyrocketed over the last two decades; one of the reasons why its population is very young and vulnerable.

Palestinian birth rate is only one child per family higher than Israel's. It did not in any way "skyrocket".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy to get on board with recognizing Palestine if Hamas surrendered. Right now, if Hamas prevailed, it would mean that you can gain statehood by slaughtering your neighbors. I can't get on board with that. I don't like what's going on in Palestine, but it's not like the violence would end if we recognized Palestine and Israel backed down. All that would change is that the violence would be in both directions. It really, really sucks that innocent people are being harmed by this, but I can't see how handing a terrorist organization a nation is the right path forward for peace. If anyone can explain it to me calmly, without calling me names, I am open to hearing because I genuinely don't understand. Right now, the argument is just "people are starving"-- which is bad, but how does statehood or Israel backing down reduce the violence when we know full well that Hamas and Iran want to continue it?

So Israel has legitimized itself by committing violence against the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are delegitimizing themselves by standing up to the violence? Got it. I realize that the justification for stealing their land is that a magical man in the sky says you deserve to, but maybe think critically for a minute.

They are both violent. But only one of the countries is actively hostile toward the US. It's hard to understand why it's in the US interest to empower Hamas. They will only use that power to harm us. It's not about who's legitimate here- its about who is more likely to kill us. We can be against famine in Palestine while also expecting Hamas to step aside. I don't understand at all why the left is supporting Hamas.

Hamas is actively hostile. However, Israel is more likely to drag us into another drawn out military conflict in the Middle East like they tried to do with Iran.

I don't see it that way. If we recognize a Hamas-led Palestine, they will indeed be strengthened. I mentioned this upthread and was told I am a religious nut, which is an interesting read of my concerns. Is there any response to my concern that this will strengthen Hamas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy to get on board with recognizing Palestine if Hamas surrendered. Right now, if Hamas prevailed, it would mean that you can gain statehood by slaughtering your neighbors. I can't get on board with that. I don't like what's going on in Palestine, but it's not like the violence would end if we recognized Palestine and Israel backed down. All that would change is that the violence would be in both directions. It really, really sucks that innocent people are being harmed by this, but I can't see how handing a terrorist organization a nation is the right path forward for peace. If anyone can explain it to me calmly, without calling me names, I am open to hearing because I genuinely don't understand. Right now, the argument is just "people are starving"-- which is bad, but how does statehood or Israel backing down reduce the violence when we know full well that Hamas and Iran want to continue it?

So Israel has legitimized itself by committing violence against the Palestinians, but the Palestinians are delegitimizing themselves by standing up to the violence? Got it. I realize that the justification for stealing their land is that a magical man in the sky says you deserve to, but maybe think critically for a minute.

They are both violent. But only one of the countries is actively hostile toward the US. It's hard to understand why it's in the US interest to empower Hamas. They will only use that power to harm us. It's not about who's legitimate here- its about who is more likely to kill us. We can be against famine in Palestine while also expecting Hamas to step aside. I don't understand at all why the left is supporting Hamas.

Are you intentionally lying and obfuscating? Israel is a nuclear power and has just bombed 4 nations in the last year infront of our eyes and you have the gall to still say spout this nonsense. Enough!