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I love Maajid, him and his organization have been working to fight radicalization for years, you should read his book "Radical".
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:'Oh, how terrible, a German Newspaper accidentially published an antisemitic cartoon instead of an antimuslim cartoon. The drawing is exactly the same, but in the first case they apologized. If we need any more proof of the double standards, here they are.'
http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.637128
You subscribe to an Israeli paper?
Nah, Bibi pays for it
Why are we talking about German newspapers? Not relevant. And really, once your government kills 6 million of a people, you might be a bit more sensitive about mocking them. It makes sense.
We are talking about the so called freedom of speech and the fact that Jews, Muslims and Christians are all constantly being mocked. Well. here's a paper that published a cartoon thinking it was directed at Muslims and when they realized it was actually directed at Jews apologized, and you don't see the double standard?
Have you seen the one where they actually have a baby on a board lol
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:'Oh, how terrible, a German Newspaper accidentially published an antisemitic cartoon instead of an antimuslim cartoon. The drawing is exactly the same, but in the first case they apologized. If we need any more proof of the double standards, here they are.'
http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.637128
You subscribe to an Israeli paper?
Nah, Bibi pays for it
jsteele wrote:Muslima wrote:Great points! Terrorism is always used to send a message, not to solve an issue.
As I've said before, terrorism is often used -- as the communists used to say -- to "heighten the contradictions", meaning to create a backlash that will widen divisions between groups. The terrorists' greatest nightmare is for Christians, Muslims, Jews, atheists, and members of other religions to stand in unity against the terrorists' methods. Their goal is to have non-Muslims attacking Muslims in retaliation and pushing more Muslims into the extremists' camp.
With that in mind, going to court and winning a case would be the exact opposite of what the terrorists want because that would show that Muslims can work within the system. They prefer to have pissed off French people fire-bombing mosques.
This is true. The bigger the gap between West and East, the easier it is to recruit people to their cause. What ISIS and organizations like them are good at is selling a dream. If you are a young Muslim living in the West, and already feel ostracized, or misunderstood, going through a crisis of identity and questioning everything in life, at this point where you are vulnerable, here comes ISIS telling you we have the solution to all of your problems. Look at how the government is treating you in France, look at all of your brothers and sisters that they have killed. You have to join the cause and be part of the caliphate, that is the only way to move forward. Then they tell you stories about the golden times of Islam when Muslims ruled the world , had a caliphate and how everything was amazing. If you are vulnerable, it is very easy to fall for it, they make you want to be part of it , part of the "change" and they make you believe in the change, and in the establishment of the caliphate as the sole source of happiness for all Muslims in the world.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.
According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.
Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.
I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.
To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."
Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.
Accusing someone of being a khawarij is a serious accusation, not something you just shout at people you don't agree with .
perhaps in your culture
If it means nothing to me, why would it be a serious accusation?
I did not say it was a serious accusation for you. I was referring to me, that I wouldn't say that everyone who disagrees with "my so called version " of Islam is a Khawarij.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Which is an application of France's LAWS and begs the question: why didn't the terrorists sue in the COURTS instead of taking matters into their own hands? Or at least do some form of LEGAL passive resistance, which is also perfectly LEGAL in France.
France has LAWS exactly for this purpose. I don't know why this difference is so hard to understand. Every country sets parameters around free expression, including obscenity, nudity and hate speech. These parameters are highly unlikely to address everybody's pet concerns, instead they're some sort of middle ground arrived at through the ballot. If you llive in France, you abide by its anti-semitism LAWS (Coulibali) and you address your own concerns through France's LEGAl SYSTEM instead of taking matters into your own hands and killing people. If you think there should be an anti-Islamophobia LAW, then lobby for it.
(Sorry for the caps, but I don't get why this distinction between LAWS vs. vigilante/mob justice is so hard to understand.)
The terrorists do not sue in the court of law, because they are not in the business of righting some political, legal, social, cultural wrong. Terrorism is a full-fledged business. Their economic (and political) agenda is to create disruption through terror and then to hide behind a cause as a lip service. This has made their leaders and puppet masters very rich. What purpose would it serve for the terrorists to actually solve ANY issues? Solving issues through legal or diplomatic means, means that they are out of business. They thrive on chaos.
If they wanted to actually help the cause of muslims they would have gone and rescued the muslim girls who are being raped and abducted by Boka Haram.
Great points! Terrorism is always used to send a message, not to solve an issue.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.
According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.
Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.
I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.
To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."
Shorter version: my Islam is the correct version, and everybody else is a khawarij and therefore totally wrong.
Accusing someone of being a khawarij is a serious accusation, not something you just shout at people you don't agree with .
'Oh, how terrible, a German Newspaper accidentially published an antisemitic cartoon instead of an antimuslim cartoon. The drawing is exactly the same, but in the first case they apologized. If we need any more proof of the double standards, here they are.'
http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.637128
http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.637128
Anonymous wrote:So because Muslima knows somebody who voluntarily wears a niqab, and can post 2 pro-niqab videos, this proves that nobody was ever forced to wear a niqab? Pretty sure we could Google and find women who were forced to cover.
Do you understand the difference between "All" and "Some"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c7_-QE8Lx8 Here's the link
The oppressed Niqabi - The Canadian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTGY7wmIjo
The American
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu9AdvDaLmA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTGY7wmIjo
The American
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu9AdvDaLmA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The Amish have received special dispensation to isolate themselves. We allow homeschooling, communes, etc. However, if the isolation seems coercive, we step in. In this country, we step in in cases of the FLDS. This seems similar, but on a smaller scale in this country. The scale seems much larger in France.
There is nothing to indicate that niqabis in the U.S. or Europe are coerced into it, other than your fervent desire to believe it to be so, to the point where you negate the voices of women who wear it voluntarily.
+100- Fact: A very close friend of mine wears the niqab, has never lived in a country where this was the norm, she willingly one day woke up and started wearing a niqab in the US, she is single. When I asked her why she wanted to wear the niqab, she said because she loves the look, ( Yeh , the look ) . Women in her family don't even wear a hijab, she chooses to wear her niqab because she thinks it's pretty. She knows it is not a requirement of the religion, and does it solely for style purposes and wants different colors of niqab. I myself have 2 niqabs that I wear sometimes, when I feel like it. So when I read ignorant comments about how all of these niqabis supposedly live, I just want to scream!
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11346641/Charlie-Hebdo-founder-says-slain-editor-dragged-team-to-their-deaths.html
I tried to find one of the existing threads for this post, but they've all gone so far off-topic that none of them seemed appropriate.
"One of the founding members of Charlie Hebdo has accused its slain editor, Stéphane Charbonnier, or Charb, of “dragging the team” to their deaths by releasing increasingly provocative cartoons, as five million copies of the “survivors’ edition” went on sale."
Not only is this criticism interesting, but the reaction of Charlie Hebdo's lawyer was interesting:
"The accusation sparked a furious reaction from Richard Malka, Charlie Hebdo’s lawyer for the past 22 years, who sent an angry message to Mathieu Pigasse, one of the owners of Nouvel Obs and Le Monde. 'Charb has not yet even been buried and Obs finds nothing better to do that to publish a polemical and venomous piece on him.'"
Once again, we see the hypocrisy of an advocate of free expression. Promoting "freedom of expression" as a slogan is easy and, as we've seen, is easily done even by political leaders whose jails are full of journalists. But, in actual practice, just about everyone draws lines somewhere and nobody likes when there own personal lines are crossed.
Of course. Every single person has a line they don't want crossed, whether it's saying "OMG!" or attending children's parties naked. That isn't the issue. The issue is, did one French person publicly say these things, and another French person publicly answered him, and nobody died? Yes, yes and yes. That's free speech in action.
Not when you get fined or imprisoned for it.....
Who exactly has been, or might be, fined or imprisoned?
Just to name one, the Comedian Dieudonne has been fined and arrested by the French government numerous times on the basis that his shows were anti-Semitic and when he put on his Fbook page after the Paris attack "I am Charlie Coulibaly", even after he indicated it was satire...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The idea that God would send down a book to a largely illiterate population that requires degreed people to interpret it is hysterical on its face. That's just a job security thing for the Ibn Saud University graduates.
According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, Baghdadi obtained a BA, MA and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.
Surely someone that has studied Islam that long is not mistaken on it's true meaning.
I would think that someone that has spent years studying Islam is a better candidate for an example of Islam than casual followers that inhabit DCUM.
To understand ISIS, you have to understand the khawarij and their history in Islam. The khawarij appear with almost every generation. The prophet (saw) warned us against them. Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body."