20 is Plenty - Roads in MoCo now only 20 miles per hour

[Anonymous]

https://mocoshow.com/blog/moco-launches-20-is-plenty-program-which-will-lower-some-speed-limits-to-20-miles-per-hour/?fbclid=IwAR24AtAb8ZPyrUmtJ3hFj-LGpXRUcGvvVYz6Jr-P9-mC7VY1KjOeglm6bw0

Roads include Executive Blvd, a 4 lane road parallel to Rockville Pike.

Other roads in this pilot program -

Century Boulevard – Germantown
Greenwood Avenue – Long Branch
Pinnacle Drive – Germantown
Woodglen Drive – North Bethesda

Councilmember Andrew Friedson is THRILLED that the speed limit in our area is being reduced. From his Facebook post today -

"We kicked off the 20 is Plenty campaign today on Woodglen Drive in North Bethesda. Thank you County Executive Elrich, MCDOT, the PBTSAC, and all of the advocates, as well as our State Delegation for enabling us to lower speed limits where we know higher speeds threaten pedestrians, bicyclists, and drivers.
Streets are for people. To make streets safe, we must couple lower speed limits with the physical safety upgrades necessary to protect all road users. #VisionZero"

Even more roads will be converted from 25 or higher down to 20. This is in addition to speed cameras. I have lived here for 30+ years and rarely have seen a police car enforcing actual bad driving - talking on the phone, texting, no turn signals, reckless driving, or stopping people from jaywalking, and bikers from running stop signs, red lights and not wearing helmets. Slowing down cars sounds like a good idea, but it is not realistic. I am very disappointed in our leadership this time.

[Anonymous]

What are you disappointed in your leadership in? You don't support 20 mph speed limits in Germantown Town Center?

By the way, there is no law requiring adult bicyclists to wear helmets.

[Anonymous]

Good. Saves lives. Will try to get a speeding ticket on my bike.

[Anonymous]

In the meantime parents are desperate to reduce speed limits near schools and they won’t do it?

But Executive Blvd? It is a major arterial that connects Rockville Pike and Montrose. So bizarre.

All of this this is just pandering to someone because otherwise there would be more logic to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the meantime parents are desperate to reduce speed limits near schools and they won’t do it?

But Executive Blvd? It is a major arterial that connects Rockville Pike and Montrose. So bizarre.

All of this this is just pandering to someone because otherwise there would be more logic to it.

It's not a major arterial anywhere, and certainly not between Nicholson Lane and 355. Have you been there lately? It's one lane each way, with lots of people walking and biking (and parking), not to mention shopping at Whole Foods. The speed limit before today was 30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the meantime parents are desperate to reduce speed limits near schools and they won’t do it?

But Executive Blvd? It is a major arterial that connects Rockville Pike and Montrose. So bizarre.

All of this this is just pandering to someone because otherwise there would be more logic to it.

It's not a major arterial anywhere, and certainly not between Nicholson Lane and 355. Have you been there lately? It's one lane each way, with lots of people walking and biking (and parking), not to mention shopping at Whole Foods. The speed limit before today was 30.

I can't go less than 40 on that road without feeling like a snail. There is never anyone on it. Why not just designate one lane on each side for bikes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you disappointed in your leadership in? You don't support 20 mph speed limits in Germantown Town Center?

By the way, there is no law requiring adult bicyclists to wear helmets.

Then why not make this a law? Don't helmets save lives too? Maybe more so than lowering the speed limit 10 MPH? I find that the lower the speed limit, the more aggressive the drivers.

[Anonymous]

Good.

They really need to reduce speed in areas where people are getting run over all the time.

People are using Executive as a way to speed around Rockville Pike traffic. If you want to speed, just take the Pike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the meantime parents are desperate to reduce speed limits near schools and they won’t do it?

But Executive Blvd? It is a major arterial that connects Rockville Pike and Montrose. So bizarre.

All of this this is just pandering to someone because otherwise there would be more logic to it.

It's not a major arterial anywhere, and certainly not between Nicholson Lane and 355. Have you been there lately? It's one lane each way, with lots of people walking and biking (and parking), not to mention shopping at Whole Foods. The speed limit before today was 30.

I can't go less than 40 on that road without feeling like a snail. There is never anyone on it. Why not just designate one lane on each side for bikes?

???

Executive Boulevard between Tilden and Woodglen has protected bike lanes on both sides.

Are you talking about the part between Montrose Parkway and Old Georgetown Road (where the intersection is now getting rebuilt)?

[Anonymous]

This is just a blatant speed camera money grab.

There's a road near me that's 30mph and it's HARD to go that slow. You get honked at, people zooming around you and you basically have to sit on your brakes the entire time.

[Anonymous]

UUUGGGHHH! Tight residential streets, yes. No where else. Pedestrians, get back on the sidewalk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the meantime parents are desperate to reduce speed limits near schools and they won’t do it?

But Executive Blvd? It is a major arterial that connects Rockville Pike and Montrose. So bizarre.

All of this this is just pandering to someone because otherwise there would be more logic to it.

It's not a major arterial anywhere, and certainly not between Nicholson Lane and 355. Have you been there lately? It's one lane each way, with lots of people walking and biking (and parking), not to mention shopping at Whole Foods. The speed limit before today was 30.

Executive Blvd from Montrose is not what now?

Like I said. Pandering to somebody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are you disappointed in your leadership in? You don't support 20 mph speed limits in Germantown Town Center?

By the way, there is no law requiring adult bicyclists to wear helmets.

Then why not make this a law? Don't helmets save lives too? Maybe more so than lowering the speed limit 10 MPH? I find that the lower the speed limit, the more aggressive the drivers.

Because helmets don't protect bicyclists in car crashes, and helmet laws discourage bicycling and encourage harassment of minority bicyclists by police.

The speed limit in Germantown Town Center is 25 mph, and no, we're not going to raise the speed limit just because some drivers don't want to drive slowly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is just a blatant speed camera money grab.

There's a road near me that's 30mph and it's HARD to go that slow. You get honked at, people zooming around you and you basically have to sit on your brakes the entire time.

As it happens, when the bill was in the General Assembly, somebody secretly added language that forbids the county from using speed cameras to enforce the 20 mph speed limits. So no, it's not a speed camera money grab.

On other roads, if you don't want to get a ticket from a speed camera, all you have to do is make sure to drive only 11 mph faster than the speed limit. You won't get a ticket from a speed camera until you're going at least 12 mph faster than the speed limit. Do you think you can limit yourself to 41 mph on that road near you?

[Anonymous]

People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.