20 is Plenty - Roads in MoCo now only 20 miles per hour

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

We are right there with you folks. Youngest graduates in 3 years, and we are out of here.

One year for us!

Housing market does need more inventory.

I'm imagining them in their new location. Their neighbors ask why they moved, and they say, "Well, the last straw was when the county lowered the speed limit to 20 mph for a few blocks in a few parts of the county where there are lots of pedestrians."

No, mine is a longstanding disdain for the County, which seeks to micromanage every facet of our lives. This is just one example of many. A whole land of government bureaucrats looking for ways to be "useful." We already have our new home and love the "live and let live" mindset here. Can't wait to sell and leave MoCo behind forever.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

We are right there with you folks. Youngest graduates in 3 years, and we are out of here.

One year for us!

Housing market does need more inventory.

I'm imagining them in their new location. Their neighbors ask why they moved, and they say, "Well, the last straw was when the county lowered the speed limit to 20 mph for a few blocks in a few parts of the county where there are lots of pedestrians."

No, mine is a longstanding disdain for the County, which seeks to micromanage every facet of our lives. This is just one example of many. A whole land of government bureaucrats looking for ways to be "useful." We already have our new home and love the "live and let live" mindset here. Can't wait to sell and leave MoCo behind forever.

Speed limits are micromanagement? Wow.

[Anonymous]

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No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

Yeah, you're saying that your time is worth more than someone's life.

Their life won't be in danger if they follow traffic laws. And careful drivers are always watching for kids along the side of the road, anyway.

[Anonymous]

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No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

Yeah, you're saying that your time is worth more than someone's life.

Their life won't be in danger if they follow traffic laws. And careful drivers are always watching for kids along the side of the road, anyway.

That is false, actually. Drivers regularly hit pedestrians who are following the traffic laws. Also, while careful drivers may always be watching for kids, it's hard to even see kids (let alone stop for kids in time) when you're going by at 40 mph, and there are lots of non-careful drivers.

Nobody's time is worth more than someone else's life.

[Anonymous]

The myopic attitude of MoCo officials is so severe that it could probably constitute a disease. Is there something in the water?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The myopic attitude of MoCo officials is so severe that it could probably constitute a disease. Is there something in the water?

What could possibly be more myopic than opposing a lowered speed limit because it inconveniences you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

Yeah, you're saying that your time is worth more than someone's life.

Then in that case, why not make the speed limit 10 mph? Or 5 mph?

If it saves just one life, it’s worth it, right?


Now go ahead and argue that that’s unreasonable. Then you’re the one who doesn’t care about lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

We are right there with you folks. Youngest graduates in 3 years, and we are out of here.

One year for us!

Housing market does need more inventory.

I'm imagining them in their new location. Their neighbors ask why they moved, and they say, "Well, the last straw was when the county lowered the speed limit to 20 mph for a few blocks in a few parts of the county where there are lots of pedestrians."

No, mine is a longstanding disdain for the County, which seeks to micromanage every facet of our lives. This is just one example of many. A whole land of government bureaucrats looking for ways to be "useful." We already have our new home and love the "live and let live" mindset here. Can't wait to sell and leave MoCo behind forever.

Speed limits are micromanagement? Wow.

Kind of interesting to see cyclists guffaw at drivers disdain for speed limits when they threw an epic hissy fit when signs were put up on the CCT to remind them of the legal speed limit. Is there any group that is a bigger bunch of whiners than cyclists? My gosh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

We are right there with you folks. Youngest graduates in 3 years, and we are out of here.

One year for us!

Housing market does need more inventory.

I'm imagining them in their new location. Their neighbors ask why they moved, and they say, "Well, the last straw was when the county lowered the speed limit to 20 mph for a few blocks in a few parts of the county where there are lots of pedestrians."

No, mine is a longstanding disdain for the County, which seeks to micromanage every facet of our lives. This is just one example of many. A whole land of government bureaucrats looking for ways to be "useful." We already have our new home and love the "live and let live" mindset here. Can't wait to sell and leave MoCo behind forever.

Speed limits are micromanagement? Wow.

Kind of interesting to see cyclists guffaw at drivers disdain for speed limits when they threw an epic hissy fit when signs were put up on the CCT to remind them of the legal speed limit. Is there any group that is a bigger bunch of whiners than cyclists? My gosh.

There's a mountain of evidence in this very thread that yes, there is a much, much bigger bunch of whiners: drivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

Yeah, you're saying that your time is worth more than someone's life.

Then in that case, why not make the speed limit 10 mph? Or 5 mph?

If it saves just one life, it’s worth it, right?

Now go ahead and argue that that’s unreasonable. Then you’re the one who doesn’t care about lives.

If you want to, go ahead! However, it turns out that 20 mph is basically the dividing line. When you're driving, and you hit someone at less than 20 mph, chances are that they'll escape serious injury. In contrast, the chances of serious injury and death increase a lot, the faster you go over 20 mph.

I was just biking on Executive Blvd this morning, where the new speed limit is 20. Even without the new speed limit signs, it would be irresponsible to drive faster than 20 there, due to the number of people walking, walking dogs, biking, parking their vehicles, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

Yeah, you're saying that your time is worth more than someone's life.

Then in that case, why not make the speed limit 10 mph? Or 5 mph?

If it saves just one life, it’s worth it, right?

Now go ahead and argue that that’s unreasonable. Then you’re the one who doesn’t care about lives.

If you want to, go ahead! However, it turns out that 20 mph is basically the dividing line. When you're driving, and you hit someone at less than 20 mph, chances are that they'll escape serious injury. In contrast, the chances of serious injury and death increase a lot, the faster you go over 20 mph.

I was just biking on Executive Blvd this morning, where the new speed limit is 20. Even without the new speed limit signs, it would be irresponsible to drive faster than 20 there, due to the number of people walking, walking dogs, biking, parking their vehicles, etc.

The data does not back this up.

[Anonymous]

Agree. The speed limit county-wide should be 10mph on all roads with a adjacent sidewalk or a bike lane.

“20 is plenty, but 10 is safer.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree. The speed limit county-wide should be 10mph on all roads with a adjacent sidewalk or a bike lane.

“20 is plenty, but 10 is safer.”

Great idea. Cannot wait for cyclists to start getting ticketed for speeding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I don’t know what the rationale is, but I cannot believe how atrocious the drivers are on Woodglen and the cross streets. Running or rolling through stop signs, turning in front of pedestrians in the crosswalk, crazy U turns in the middle of the street to get a metered spot, illegal parking and standing everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Good; now enforce them.