20 is Plenty - Roads in MoCo now only 20 miles per hour

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bicycle infrastructure in Bethesda is appalling.

Everyone in the BCC school district should be able to cycle safely to school, including all the middle and elementary schools.

It’s funny that you say this. All the cyclists and “urbanists” cheer turning Woodmont, which is a major commercial artery and potential and auxiliary for Wisconsin into a pedestrian bike zone which effectively hands over public land to turn Bethesda Row into an outdoor mall for Federal Realty. The result is that the county is intentionally putting all traffic on to Arlington, which is 4 lanes. The speed limit on Arlington is 30 MPH. The speed limit on Wisconsin, a state highway, is 25 MPH. Arlington is where all of the Bethesda amenities for kids are: elementary school, library, park. Crossing Arlington is a hazard and they county only gives you 15 seconds. It’s so dangerous that MCPS provides buses to kids who live in apartments in the walk zone to discourage them from walking so that they can get to school safely. They have even locked the pedestrian entrance to further discourage walking. This is the externalities and negative consequences of not prioritizing safety in our community in favor of placating adult man-babies.

Yes, the speed limit on Arlington shouldn't be any faster than 25 mph, just like on Wisconsin. It would be also great if the county would agree to reduce Arlington to 2 lanes each way. Then MCPS could put a crossing guard on Arlington, and then kids could walk to Bethesda ES.

The "adult man-baby" issue is people who expect the county and state to prioritize driving in downtown Bethesda. If you want to drive in downtown Bethesda, you should expect to have to drive slowly, stop frequently, and park a few blocks away from your destination.

They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

Since you don’t know the plan, then you clearly have not been engaged in this topic. Who are these “many people” you speak of among the cyclists? Name them. They don’t exist.

And since you want to derail this topic about the recumbent cyclists, the police investigation included that he shot out into traffic without taking due care. His own negligence got him killed similar to people that cross Georgia Avenue mid-block instead of using signalized crossings.

The problem with Arlington is that even the signalized crossings are unsafe because they don’t give enough time to cross, particularly little kids. It’s frankly despicable that you are pretending that you care or that this is an important issue for you. Because it is not and has not been and the record is clear. Cyclists are as a whole a very selfish group.

You talk about safely biking to BCC, but you have never out to the MCCPTA who have been working on Safe Routes to Schools for a long time. Why is that? I think you are FOS. You can try to retcon your activism as much as you want, but the people who have worked on the ground to make it safe for kids know the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

Since you don’t know the plan, then you clearly have not been engaged in this topic. Who are these “many people” you speak of among the cyclists? Name them. They don’t exist.

And since you want to derail this topic about the recumbent cyclists, the police investigation included that he shot out into traffic without taking due care. His own negligence got him killed similar to people that cross Georgia Avenue mid-block instead of using signalized crossings.

The problem with Arlington is that even the signalized crossings are unsafe because they don’t give enough time to cross, particularly little kids. It’s frankly despicable that you are pretending that you care or that this is an important issue for you. Because it is not and has not been and the record is clear. Cyclists are as a whole a very selfish group.

You talk about safely biking to BCC, but you have never out to the MCCPTA who have been working on Safe Routes to Schools for a long time. Why is that? I think you are FOS. You can try to retcon your activism as much as you want, but the people who have worked on the ground to make it safe for kids know the truth.

I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

Since you don’t know the plan, then you clearly have not been engaged in this topic. Who are these “many people” you speak of among the cyclists? Name them. They don’t exist.

And since you want to derail this topic about the recumbent cyclists, the police investigation included that he shot out into traffic without taking due care. His own negligence got him killed similar to people that cross Georgia Avenue mid-block instead of using signalized crossings.

The problem with Arlington is that even the signalized crossings are unsafe because they don’t give enough time to cross, particularly little kids. It’s frankly despicable that you are pretending that you care or that this is an important issue for you. Because it is not and has not been and the record is clear. Cyclists are as a whole a very selfish group.

You talk about safely biking to BCC, but you have never out to the MCCPTA who have been working on Safe Routes to Schools for a long time. Why is that? I think you are FOS. You can try to retcon your activism as much as you want, but the people who have worked on the ground to make it safe for kids know the truth.

I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to.

Okay, who are you?

[Anonymous]

These same "20 is plenty" politicians are the ones who voted earlier this year to allow people to solicit for $$ in the medians of high-speed roads, with a (free) permit:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/rice-says-solicitation-permit-bill-to-be-amended-after-enforcement-concerns/

Now tell me they really care about pedestrian safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These same "20 is plenty" politicians are the ones who voted earlier this year to allow people to solicit for $$ in the medians of high-speed roads, with a (free) permit:

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/government/rice-says-solicitation-permit-bill-to-be-amended-after-enforcement-concerns/

Now tell me they really care about pedestrian safety.

There was no vote. Craig Rice never did anything with his silly proposed bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

Since you don’t know the plan, then you clearly have not been engaged in this topic. Who are these “many people” you speak of among the cyclists? Name them. They don’t exist.

And since you want to derail this topic about the recumbent cyclists, the police investigation included that he shot out into traffic without taking due care. His own negligence got him killed similar to people that cross Georgia Avenue mid-block instead of using signalized crossings.

The problem with Arlington is that even the signalized crossings are unsafe because they don’t give enough time to cross, particularly little kids. It’s frankly despicable that you are pretending that you care or that this is an important issue for you. Because it is not and has not been and the record is clear. Cyclists are as a whole a very selfish group.

You talk about safely biking to BCC, but you have never out to the MCCPTA who have been working on Safe Routes to Schools for a long time. Why is that? I think you are FOS. You can try to retcon your activism as much as you want, but the people who have worked on the ground to make it safe for kids know the truth.

I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to.

Okay, who are you?

I’m also still waiting for you to identify the cyclists you claim have been involved in traffic safety on Arlington for a long time. They don’t exist.

You are clearly someone that likes to make stuff up. So keep at it. Why don’t you admit that you have no idea what’s going on this topic?

[Anonymous]

My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

Since you don’t know the plan, then you clearly have not been engaged in this topic. Who are these “many people” you speak of among the cyclists? Name them. They don’t exist.

And since you want to derail this topic about the recumbent cyclists, the police investigation included that he shot out into traffic without taking due care. His own negligence got him killed similar to people that cross Georgia Avenue mid-block instead of using signalized crossings.

The problem with Arlington is that even the signalized crossings are unsafe because they don’t give enough time to cross, particularly little kids. It’s frankly despicable that you are pretending that you care or that this is an important issue for you. Because it is not and has not been and the record is clear. Cyclists are as a whole a very selfish group.

You talk about safely biking to BCC, but you have never out to the MCCPTA who have been working on Safe Routes to Schools for a long time. Why is that? I think you are FOS. You can try to retcon your activism as much as you want, but the people who have worked on the ground to make it safe for kids know the truth.

I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to.

Okay, who are you?

I’m also still waiting for you to identify the cyclists you claim have been involved in traffic safety on Arlington for a long time. They don’t exist.

You are clearly someone that likes to make stuff up. So keep at it. Why don’t you admit that you have no idea what’s going on this topic?

Crickets. I think the PP is doing some *research* aka Googling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It's no harder to obey a 20 mph speed limit than a 25 mph speed limit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It's no harder to obey a 20 mph speed limit than a 25 mph speed limit.

That’s not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
They had traffic calming on Arlington in the plan and it was removed and not a single cyclist or “urbanist” or GGW weirdo said a thing. But they absolutely love the streetery and cycle path on Woodmont. It pretty clear that there is a level of selfishness and lack of caring for the impacts/externalities of the things these people promote that pervades these communities. Parents in MCCPTA have been trying to get traction on real implementation of Safe Routes to School for years. However, there has been zero support from the cyclists and “urbanists”. The only thing they have cared about in that time are cycle tracks in Woodmont, a tunnel under Wisconsin, posting legal speed limits on the CCT and a recumbent biker who got himself killed at Little Falls Parkway by not following the law. So don’t claim that you guys have some sort of broader societal interest. It’s self interest all the way done and sometimes quite damaging to others and you don’t care. So don’t pretend to now.

"They" who what when? Which plan?

Plenty of people have been advocating for traffic calming on Arlington, for years now.

Ned Gaylin did not "get himself killed". That's despicable.

Since you don’t know the plan, then you clearly have not been engaged in this topic. Who are these “many people” you speak of among the cyclists? Name them. They don’t exist.

And since you want to derail this topic about the recumbent cyclists, the police investigation included that he shot out into traffic without taking due care. His own negligence got him killed similar to people that cross Georgia Avenue mid-block instead of using signalized crossings.

The problem with Arlington is that even the signalized crossings are unsafe because they don’t give enough time to cross, particularly little kids. It’s frankly despicable that you are pretending that you care or that this is an important issue for you. Because it is not and has not been and the record is clear. Cyclists are as a whole a very selfish group.

You talk about safely biking to BCC, but you have never out to the MCCPTA who have been working on Safe Routes to Schools for a long time. Why is that? I think you are FOS. You can try to retcon your activism as much as you want, but the people who have worked on the ground to make it safe for kids know the truth.

I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to.

Okay, who are you?

Also still waiting for the “do you know who I am” guy to tell us who he is. What a hilarious posture, to anonymously pump oneself up on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Also still waiting for the “do you know who I am” guy to tell us who he is. What a hilarious posture, to anonymously pump oneself up on the internet.

"I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to" does not mean "Do you know who I am?" It means "Who do you think you're talking to?"

So, who do you think you're talking to? You keep saying "you." Who is this "you"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Also still waiting for the “do you know who I am” guy to tell us who he is. What a hilarious posture, to anonymously pump oneself up on the internet.

"I seriously wonder who you think you're talking to" does not mean "Do you know who I am?" It means "Who do you think you're talking to?"

So, who do you think you're talking to? You keep saying "you." Who is this "you"?

LOL. You are someone that feints to being savvy and “in the know” but is really just smug and ignorant. You make claims about a lot of things but provide zero evidence to substantiate them. And yet you ask questions of me? Go ahead buddy. Explain yourself. Tell us who you are.