20 is Plenty - Roads in MoCo now only 20 miles per hour

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

I think the theory behind Woodglen and Executive is that there are lots of people walking around there. Same with Germantown Town Center. You would really have no business driving faster than 20 mph there, even if the legal speed limit were higher.

Drag-racing is definitely a problem all over the county on the big wide arterials. Most of those roads are state roads, though. The problem with police enforcement is that you could have half of the county police out there, pulling people over and writing citations, and as soon as they stopped doing that, the terrible driving would resume.

The bike lanes on Executive are actually protected with concrete, which is really great, and I wish they had more of that all over the county.

[Anonymous]

People who obey 20mph speed limits are the same people wearing masks outdoors alone in the woods

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

I think the theory behind Woodglen and Executive is that there are lots of people walking around there. Same with Germantown Town Center. You would really have no business driving faster than 20 mph there, even if the legal speed limit were higher.

Drag-racing is definitely a problem all over the county on the big wide arterials. Most of those roads are state roads, though. The problem with police enforcement is that you could have half of the county police out there, pulling people over and writing citations, and as soon as they stopped doing that, the terrible driving would resume.

The bike lanes on Executive are actually protected with concrete, which is really great, and I wish they had more of that all over the county.

Are you suggesting that we have Fast and Furious drag races all over the county?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who obey 20mph speed limits are the same people wearing masks outdoors alone in the woods

And we are up to our eyeballs in them.

These sheep will do anything Elrich and the council tell them to. Liberals used to scream “question authority!”

Now that liberals are authority, it’s “worship authority!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who obey 20mph speed limits are the same people wearing masks outdoors alone in the woods

So, you're a scofflaw driver?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

I think the theory behind Woodglen and Executive is that there are lots of people walking around there. Same with Germantown Town Center. You would really have no business driving faster than 20 mph there, even if the legal speed limit were higher.

Drag-racing is definitely a problem all over the county on the big wide arterials. Most of those roads are state roads, though. The problem with police enforcement is that you could have half of the county police out there, pulling people over and writing citations, and as soon as they stopped doing that, the terrible driving would resume.

The bike lanes on Executive are actually protected with concrete, which is really great, and I wish they had more of that all over the county.

Are you suggesting that we have Fast and Furious drag races all over the county?

The Maryland State Police are concerned about drag racing. What do you know that they don't?

https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2021/04/21/police-continue-efforts-to-combat-street-racing-and-excessive-exhaust-noise-in-montgomery-county/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

I think the theory behind Woodglen and Executive is that there are lots of people walking around there. Same with Germantown Town Center. You would really have no business driving faster than 20 mph there, even if the legal speed limit were higher.

Drag-racing is definitely a problem all over the county on the big wide arterials. Most of those roads are state roads, though. The problem with police enforcement is that you could have half of the county police out there, pulling people over and writing citations, and as soon as they stopped doing that, the terrible driving would resume.

The bike lanes on Executive are actually protected with concrete, which is really great, and I wish they had more of that all over the county.

Are you suggesting that we have Fast and Furious drag races all over the county?

The Maryland State Police are concerned about drag racing. What do you know that they don't?

https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2021/04/21/police-continue-efforts-to-combat-street-racing-and-excessive-exhaust-noise-in-montgomery-county/

You said it’s “all over the county” but the link suggests that the problem is isolated only on 355 between Rockville and Gaithersburg.

So thanks for the link, I didn’t know that. But also, you were exaggerating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

I think the theory behind Woodglen and Executive is that there are lots of people walking around there. Same with Germantown Town Center. You would really have no business driving faster than 20 mph there, even if the legal speed limit were higher.

Drag-racing is definitely a problem all over the county on the big wide arterials. Most of those roads are state roads, though. The problem with police enforcement is that you could have half of the county police out there, pulling people over and writing citations, and as soon as they stopped doing that, the terrible driving would resume.

The bike lanes on Executive are actually protected with concrete, which is really great, and I wish they had more of that all over the county.

Are you suggesting that we have Fast and Furious drag races all over the county?

The Maryland State Police are concerned about drag racing. What do you know that they don't?

https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2021/04/21/police-continue-efforts-to-combat-street-racing-and-excessive-exhaust-noise-in-montgomery-county/

You said it’s “all over the county” but the link suggests that the problem is isolated only on 355 between Rockville and Gaithersburg.

So thanks for the link, I didn’t know that. But also, you were exaggerating.

Consider getting out more. Yes, it's a problem everywhere in the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

I think the theory behind Woodglen and Executive is that there are lots of people walking around there. Same with Germantown Town Center. You would really have no business driving faster than 20 mph there, even if the legal speed limit were higher.

Drag-racing is definitely a problem all over the county on the big wide arterials. Most of those roads are state roads, though. The problem with police enforcement is that you could have half of the county police out there, pulling people over and writing citations, and as soon as they stopped doing that, the terrible driving would resume.

The bike lanes on Executive are actually protected with concrete, which is really great, and I wish they had more of that all over the county.

Are you suggesting that we have Fast and Furious drag races all over the county?

The Maryland State Police are concerned about drag racing. What do you know that they don't?

https://news.maryland.gov/msp/2021/04/21/police-continue-efforts-to-combat-street-racing-and-excessive-exhaust-noise-in-montgomery-county/

You said it’s “all over the county” but the link suggests that the problem is isolated only on 355 between Rockville and Gaithersburg.

So thanks for the link, I didn’t know that. But also, you were exaggerating.

Consider getting out more. Yes, it's a problem everywhere in the county.

Wow, what’s wrong with you? You clearly are exaggerating. No need to get all angry too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who obey 20mph speed limits are the same people wearing masks outdoors alone in the woods

Heh. So true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who obey 20mph speed limits are the same people wearing masks outdoors alone in the woods

So, you're a scofflaw driver?

DP

Hell yes, I certainly will be if these nimrods insist on a 20mph speed limit all over the place.

If you outlaw reasonable speeds, then only outlaws will drive at reasonable speeds. So yeah, I’ll be an outlaw.


I’m fine with that. You’ll be an outlaw too. You’ll just lie about it and tsk-tsk others.

[Anonymous]

I’d like my street to have a 20mph speed limit with a speed camera. Those jerks drive way too fast. I’ve almost been hit in crosswalks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d like my street to have a 20mph speed limit with a speed camera. Those jerks drive way too fast. I’ve almost been hit in crosswalks.

I'd love to have that too, but unfortunately a state senator on the Maryland Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee secretly added a provision to the bill that forbids Montgomery County from using speed cameras on streets with 20 mph speed limits.

Plus even if there were a speed camera, it would only issue citations for drivers going 32 mph or faster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet another MoCo solution in search of a problem.

In 2020, there were at least 8,067 crashes on roads in the county. At least 40 people were killed, including 1 bicyclist and 16 pedestrians. Overall, 142 bicyclists were hit and injured, and 325 pedestrians. That seems like a problem to me.

You can drive 20 mph for a few blocks. Nothing bad will happen to you, I promise.

I haven't analyzed all of the pedestrian deaths from last year, but often the pedestrians who die are crossing large arterials like Georgia Avenue in the middle of the block, sometimes at night. I feel bad that people are hurt or killed, but that isn't exactly the issue being addressed by this initiative.

The issue being addressed by this initiative is that vehicle speeds/road speeds are too fast for safety on roads used by pedestrians.

Should we ALSO take action to reduce vehicle speeds on big arterials like Georgia Avenue, as well as add safe places for people to cross, and better street lighting? Yes, we should. No reason it has to be one or the other, though.

At 30 mph, it takes 60 seconds to drive half a mile. At 20 mph, it takes 90 seconds. How important are those 30 seconds to you? Are they worth risking someone else's life?

No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

[Anonymous]

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No, I don't support reducing vehicle speeds on big arterials. I support pedestrians using their heads and obeying laws, so that they don't get hurt.

And please, with your logic above about extra time (1/3). MoCo has made it their goal, all over the County, to add as many impediments to drivers as possible. Yes, spending an extra 30 minutes a day navigating traffic is life-sucking. It has all kinds of public health implications. Should pedestrians be able to walk on safe sidewalks and cross intersections without fearing for their life? Yes. Should the entire suburban infrastructure be re-made to prioritize pedestrians? No. There are urban landscapes where you can achieve this. Most people who buy in MoCo want to live in the suburbs, not in the city, despite the efforts of the Planning Commission and the transportation bureaucrats.

Yeah, you're saying that your time is worth more than someone's life.