20 is Plenty - Roads in MoCo now only 20 miles per hour

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.

True, alas. But now the county is changing that, by adding bicycle infrastructure to help people be able to get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc., by bicycle! Hooray!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.

True, alas. But now the county is changing that, by adding bicycle infrastructure to help people be able to get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc., by bicycle! Hooray!

Tens of millions of dollars for the 30 people that ride bicycles to shop. Hurray for cost effective and efficient use of resources.

[Anonymous]

I am ok with it. Especially after the pandemic, I feel that the driving has become really atrocious.

- A car driver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.

True, alas. But now the county is changing that, by adding bicycle infrastructure to help people be able to get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc., by bicycle! Hooray!

This is sarcasm right?

[Anonymous]

I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the meantime parents are desperate to reduce speed limits near schools and they won’t do it?

But Executive Blvd? It is a major arterial that connects Rockville Pike and Montrose. So bizarre.

All of this this is just pandering to someone because otherwise there would be more logic to it.

As someone who caught the bus near there for years, it’s needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.

They did that because a kid died on his bike. The sidewalk is SO narrow and abuts the road. It's incredibly dangerous, but that is the entirety of OGR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.

True, alas. But now the county is changing that, by adding bicycle infrastructure to help people be able to get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc., by bicycle! Hooray!

This is sarcasm right?

No, it's not sarcasm. Why would it be sarcasm? Even if you never want to ride a bike anywhere, you should support this. Every time I go somewhere by bike instead of by car, that's one less car getting in your way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who go 40-something on a 25 are not going to go 20-something now.

The vision-zero, paint parts of the road green or purple, and getting rid of lanes for cars (3/4 of a mile on Old Georgetown Road and more) are ridiculous. Montgomery County is mostly suburbs, where public transit is lacking and people need cars to: get their groceries and other purchases home, get their kids to and from activities, get to doctor appointments, get to and from work, etc., etc., etc.

The suburbs were made for cars, not bikes.

They did that because a kid died on his bike. The sidewalk is SO narrow and abuts the road. It's incredibly dangerous, but that is the entirety of OGR.

Yes. Jake Cassell was 17 and riding his bike to the Y on the sidewalk. He hit something on the horrible, narrow sidewalk and fell into the road.

https://wjla.com/news/local/bethesda-father-will-honor-son-killed-in-bike-accident-with-a-special-bike-to-the-beach

The bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would be better if they went all the way from 355 to downtown Bethesda, and also if they were protected by more than just paint on the pavement, but it's a start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

We are right there with you folks. Youngest graduates in 3 years, and we are out of here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

+1. We left already. Couldn’t last in the crappy schools another day. This is pure theater. Take direct payments to parents for school choice from the Dutch - not their love for the bicycle...it isn’t a cool climate for cycling here. I think this is trying to attract ‘millennials’ to the county when they have been driving Clarendon’s roads at 40 miles per hour in a car since they left college almost 20 years ago.

We are right there with you folks. Youngest graduates in 3 years, and we are out of here.

You know what contribute to both ease of getting around AND traffic mitigation? Sidewalks, good bike lanes, and driving speeds that aren't deadly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is just a blatant speed camera money grab.

There's a road near me that's 30mph and it's HARD to go that slow. You get honked at, people zooming around you and you basically have to sit on your brakes the entire time.

So you speed because of peer pressure? I am sure the pedestrians who are killed by speeding drivers will take comfort in that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was sarcasm, and as soon as our youngest graduates, 3 more years, we are getting out of Montgomery County, and taking our high income, and taxes we pay to this miserable place with us. The current leaders are killing everything that was great about moving here in the first place, great schools, highly educated community, ease of getting around (wedges and corridors now being turned into cement cities with infill destroying all green space), no traffic mitigation, etc.

Turning desirable suburbs into overcrowded cities because why?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

[Anonymous]

Yet another MoCo solution in search of a problem.