Friday's "snow?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

I lived in Canada and learned to drive there. Snow removal was far better there. Driver’s ed instruction spent a lot of time on what to do when you skid, etc . . . Sidewalks were clear so no one was walking in the street with skidding vehicles.

But in addition, the majority of the time if there was fresh snow it was landing on previous snow, it didn’t melt and freeze. It stayed frozen and became packed snow, not freezing rain, or ice, or slush that refroze. That’s a different driving experience.

The conditions you're describing were the same as Friday. Snow stayed snow.

I will admit that I didn’t drive on 270 on Friday. I commuted on roads like Georgia Ave and Connecticut. But where I was snow was melting under car tires. There was no “snow pack”. There was “slush”. Where did you see packed snow?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

I am GenX and grew up in WNY, where they know snow and how to clear it efficiently. Blizzard conditions and/or at least 10 inches of snow was required for a snow day when I was a kid. I would note, however, that in recent years school districts in WNY are closing more frequently with less snow and some ice because of student safety concerns. So, a complex decision even when you have the means and ability to clear snow.

Yet they still would never think about closing or delaying over Friday's weather.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

People drive in snow because they have to get to work and rely on wages to pay the bills. Doesnt matter where you live. Friday's decision in MONTGOMERY COUNTY Maryland put students and drivers at risk.
-someone who lived in all those regions

It didn't, though, as indicated by what happened. The experience demonstrated opening was safe. Getting stuck on a bus for a while isn't a serious safety issue, not
nor are late buses. Those happen for a variety of reasons throughout the year, as do more serious accidents.

School districts in areas that get plenty of snow close for cold they don't want students waiting at bus stop for long periods. MCPs was okay with kids waiting at bus stops for long periods? The Tuesday "apology" stated safety. So what happened Friday morning and the safety of students and employees?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

I lived in Canada and learned to drive there. Snow removal was far better there. Driver’s ed instruction spent a lot of time on what to do when you skid, etc . . . Sidewalks were clear so no one was walking in the street with skidding vehicles.

But in addition, the majority of the time if there was fresh snow it was landing on previous snow, it didn’t melt and freeze. It stayed frozen and became packed snow, not freezing rain, or ice, or slush that refroze. That’s a different driving experience.

The conditions you're describing were the same as Friday. Snow stayed snow.

I will admit that I didn’t drive on 270 on Friday. I commuted on roads like Georgia Ave and Connecticut. But where I was snow was melting under car tires. There was no “snow pack”. There was “slush”. Where did you see packed snow?

On the pretreated roads, the snow melted, and it wasn't cold enough to refreeze. Other roads had a thin layer of snow around 7am.

[Anonymous]

Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

People drive in snow because they have to get to work and rely on wages to pay the bills. Doesnt matter where you live. Friday's decision in MONTGOMERY COUNTY Maryland put students and drivers at risk.
-someone who lived in all those regions

It didn't, though, as indicated by what happened. The experience demonstrated opening was safe. Getting stuck on a bus for a while isn't a serious safety issue, not
nor are late buses. Those happen for a variety of reasons throughout the year, as do more serious accidents.

School districts in areas that get plenty of snow close for cold they don't want students waiting at bus stop for long periods. MCPs was okay with kids waiting at bus stops for long periods? The Tuesday "apology" stated safety. So what happened Friday morning and the safety of students and employees?

It was over 20F without much wind. That's not a safety issue, that's a comfort issue. Kids go outside for recess in that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

I lived in Canada and learned to drive there. Snow removal was far better there. Driver’s ed instruction spent a lot of time on what to do when you skid, etc . . . Sidewalks were clear so no one was walking in the street with skidding vehicles.

But in addition, the majority of the time if there was fresh snow it was landing on previous snow, it didn’t melt and freeze. It stayed frozen and became packed snow, not freezing rain, or ice, or slush that refroze. That’s a different driving experience.

The conditions you're describing were the same as Friday. Snow stayed snow.

I will admit that I didn’t drive on 270 on Friday. I commuted on roads like Georgia Ave and Connecticut. But where I was snow was melting under car tires. There was no “snow pack”. There was “slush”. Where did you see packed snow?

On the pretreated roads, the snow melted, and it wasn't cold enough to refreeze. Other roads had a thin layer of snow around 7am.

That’s what I saw, no snowpack anywhere. No idea what the person saying we had snowpack was talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

People drive in snow because they have to get to work and rely on wages to pay the bills. Doesnt matter where you live. Friday's decision in MONTGOMERY COUNTY Maryland put students and drivers at risk.
-someone who lived in all those regions

It didn't, though, as indicated by what happened. The experience demonstrated opening was safe. Getting stuck on a bus for a while isn't a serious safety issue, not
nor are late buses. Those happen for a variety of reasons throughout the year, as do more serious accidents.

School districts in areas that get plenty of snow close for cold they don't want students waiting at bus stop for long periods. MCPs was okay with kids waiting at bus stops for long periods? The Tuesday "apology" stated safety. So what happened Friday morning and the safety of students and employees?

It was over 20F without much wind. That's not a safety issue, that's a comfort issue. Kids go outside for recess in that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares where people on this discussion learned to drive. A decision put kids, drivers and others knowingly at risk.

The point is that there's a common misconception frequently repeated on dcum that schools in the northeast only open because of much better snow removal. That's false. Anyone from the northeast or midwest will tell you people just understand they can drive on snow.

I lived in Canada and learned to drive there. Snow removal was far better there. Driver’s ed instruction spent a lot of time on what to do when you skid, etc . . . Sidewalks were clear so no one was walking in the street with skidding vehicles.

But in addition, the majority of the time if there was fresh snow it was landing on previous snow, it didn’t melt and freeze. It stayed frozen and became packed snow, not freezing rain, or ice, or slush that refroze. That’s a different driving experience.

The conditions you're describing were the same as Friday. Snow stayed snow.

I will admit that I didn’t drive on 270 on Friday. I commuted on roads like Georgia Ave and Connecticut. But where I was snow was melting under car tires. There was no “snow pack”. There was “slush”. Where did you see packed snow?

On the pretreated roads, the snow melted, and it wasn't cold enough to refreeze. Other roads had a thin layer of snow around 7am.

That’s what I saw, no snowpack anywhere. No idea what the person saying we had snowpack was talking about.

There was thin snowpack on some of the untreated roads before higher temperatures and traffic melted it.

The point is that we didn't get freezing rain or melt-refreeze situation that the other pp was warning about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

Of course it was. Road safety just wasn't the *only* issue considered. If it was, then we'd never open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

Of course it was. Road safety just wasn't the *only* issue considered. If it was, then we'd never open.

No it wasnt and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

Of course it was. Road safety just wasn't the *only* issue considered. If it was, then we'd never open.

No it wasnt and you know it.

I drove on the roads in the morning. They were fine and it was obvious they would be fine. Things went reasonably smoothly and there weren't majors accidents resulting in serious injuries. It went well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

Of course it was. Road safety just wasn't the *only* issue considered. If it was, then we'd never open.

No it wasnt and you know it.

I drove on the roads in the morning. They were fine and it was obvious they would be fine. Things went reasonably smoothly and there weren't majors accidents resulting in serious injuries. It went well.

Except the bus that did have an accident and another that got stuck

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

Of course it was. Road safety just wasn't the *only* issue considered. If it was, then we'd never open.

No it wasnt and you know it.

I drove on the roads in the morning. They were fine and it was obvious they would be fine. Things went reasonably smoothly and there weren't majors accidents resulting in serious injuries. It went well.

Except the bus that did have an accident and another that got stuck

Wonder what the parents of students on those buses ended up doing? Do it yourself: drive your kids, teach them how to read and write and do math and science. "Unlocking potential" of MCPs leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety was NOT of upmost importance in making the decision Friday

Of course it was. Road safety just wasn't the *only* issue considered. If it was, then we'd never open.

No it wasnt and you know it.

I drove on the roads in the morning. They were fine and it was obvious they would be fine. Things went reasonably smoothly and there weren't majors accidents resulting in serious injuries. It went well.

Except the bus that did have an accident and another that got stuck

Wonder what the parents of students on those buses ended up doing? Do it yourself: drive your kids, teach them how to read and write and do math and science. "Unlocking potential" of MCPs leaders.

What do parents do any other time a bus has an issue? You either go get them or you wait for the bus to get unstuck. Either is fine, but it's not worth closing schools over. Sometimes kids get stuck on buses. They're fine.