Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.
What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?
MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.
+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.
The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.
+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.
Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l
Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.
And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.
Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.
Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.
I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.
I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.
I’m making the point that if your employer said maybe you’ll come in at the normal time, maybe you won’t, check in tomorrow morning, people would gripe about it, but God forbid teachers expect MCPS to follow their own historical protocol and then those teachers decide not to adjust on the fly when MCPS deviates from that with extremely short notice. This is the same employer who screwed with their childcare last Tuesday morning and last winter, also after deviating from historical patterns.
Huh? My employer does this. People don't really gripe about it because we don't typically expect a delay or closure, so when there is one, it's nice (for most, sometimes it gets confusing), but when we don't, it's fine.
I'm not sure what "historical protocol" you're referring to with regards to Friday. It seemed normal for them not to announce until morning. It sounds like you just didn't like their decision, which is up to them to make. Completely agree that the childcare decision on Tuesday was unhinged - that has been an issue with Taylor since last year.
Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.
What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?
MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.
+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.
The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.
+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.
Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l
Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.
And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.
Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.
Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.
I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.
I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.
I’m making the point that if your employer said maybe you’ll come in at the normal time, maybe you won’t, check in tomorrow morning, people would gripe about it, but God forbid teachers expect MCPS to follow their own historical protocol and then those teachers decide not to adjust on the fly when MCPS deviates from that with extremely short notice. This is the same employer who screwed with their childcare last Tuesday morning and last winter, also after deviating from historical patterns.
Huh? My employer does this. People don't really gripe about it because we don't typically expect a delay or closure, so when there is one, it's nice (for most, sometimes it gets confusing), but when we don't, it's fine.
I'm not sure what "historical protocol" you're referring to with regards to Friday. It seemed normal for them not to announce until morning. It sounds like you just didn't like their decision, which is up to them to make. Completely agree that the childcare decision on Tuesday was unhinged - that has been an issue with Taylor since last year.
For the previous 12 years they have not opened on time when there’s wintry mix during morning rush hour. This is the first time they’ve ever opened on time and our family faced very slippery conditions between our house and our kids’ schools. Friday was highly unusual. MCPS has typically been very cautious. They were not on Friday.
Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.
What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?
MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.
+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.
The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.
+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.
Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l
Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.
And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.
Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.
Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.
I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.
I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.
I’m making the point that if your employer said maybe you’ll come in at the normal time, maybe you won’t, check in tomorrow morning, people would gripe about it, but God forbid teachers expect MCPS to follow their own historical protocol and then those teachers decide not to adjust on the fly when MCPS deviates from that with extremely short notice. This is the same employer who screwed with their childcare last Tuesday morning and last winter, also after deviating from historical patterns.
What do you mean? It is incredibly common for employers to make the call morning-of. The obvious example in this area being the federal government. And since these calls are subjective and frequently involve reading tea leaves, it is very common for them to differ from the expectations of individuals.
And while I would agree Friday's forecast was such that it wouldn't have been surprising if they delayed, it also wasn't so bad that it was inconceivable that they would not.
You seem pretty out-of-touch with how the rest of the world works.
Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.
What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?
MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.
+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.
The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.
+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.
Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l
Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.
And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.
Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.
Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.
I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.
I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.
I’m making the point that if your employer said maybe you’ll come in at the normal time, maybe you won’t, check in tomorrow morning, people would gripe about it, but God forbid teachers expect MCPS to follow their own historical protocol and then those teachers decide not to adjust on the fly when MCPS deviates from that with extremely short notice. This is the same employer who screwed with their childcare last Tuesday morning and last winter, also after deviating from historical patterns.
Huh? My employer does this. People don't really gripe about it because we don't typically expect a delay or closure, so when there is one, it's nice (for most, sometimes it gets confusing), but when we don't, it's fine.
I'm not sure what "historical protocol" you're referring to with regards to Friday. It seemed normal for them not to announce until morning. It sounds like you just didn't like their decision, which is up to them to make. Completely agree that the childcare decision on Tuesday was unhinged - that has been an issue with Taylor since last year.
For the previous 12 years they have not opened on time when there’s wintry mix during morning rush hour. This is the first time they’ve ever opened on time and our family faced very slippery conditions between our house and our kids’ schools. Friday was highly unusual. MCPS has typically been very cautious. They were not on Friday.
A few things came together. First, the weather forecast showed some snow, but not much. The predicted level didn't clearly justify a need to delay or close. Second,
the actual snowfall exceeded expectations in some areas. And third, the timing of the snowfall meant it wasn't clear conditions would have been better 2 hours later. And at least in some areas, they weren't. That looked quite likely at 5am when they made the call. So I suspect the decision wasn't so much delay versus on-time, but rather open or closed. And based on the forecast, open looked fine.
And ultimately it was fine to open, even if it was a little more snow than we'd typically open for.
Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.
What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?
MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.
+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.
The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.
+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.
Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l
Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.
And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.
Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.
Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.
I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.
I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.
I’m making the point that if your employer said maybe you’ll come in at the normal time, maybe you won’t, check in tomorrow morning, people would gripe about it, but God forbid teachers expect MCPS to follow their own historical protocol and then those teachers decide not to adjust on the fly when MCPS deviates from that with extremely short notice. This is the same employer who screwed with their childcare last Tuesday morning and last winter, also after deviating from historical patterns.
What do you mean? It is incredibly common for employers to make the call morning-of. The obvious example in this area being the federal government. And since these calls are subjective and frequently involve reading tea leaves, it is very common for them to differ from the expectations of individuals.
And while I would agree Friday's forecast was such that it wouldn't have been surprising if they delayed, it also wasn't so bad that it was inconceivable that they would not.
You seem pretty out-of-touch with how the rest of the world works.
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