Friday's "snow?"

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Here’s the thing, when I’ve run the COL to areas outside of the DMV, the discrepancy between teacher income and cost of living is far greater. In other words, to move from say, Columbus, Ohio to Montgomery County, I have to make 1.34x my current salary. So how does the county attract teachers when they can barely afford housing in the zip codes where they work? We’ve already experienced challenges getting positions filled, it’s only going to get worse unless you entice future generations with competitive pay and benefits. I’ve already lost some high quality colleagues to Frederick County, because they’ve moved there as it’s more affordable and the pay of comparable. Work/Life balance is one major benefit for many and commuting two hours a day destroys that.

My brother and his wife are both teachers in Indiana. Their combined salaries are a bit less than I make by myself. Nevertheless, they own a house 10 minutes from where they each work and are paying for full-time childcare for a preschooler and an infant and are making it just fine. The COL differences are insane.

Not a lot of snow days in Indiana.

They do, actually, but they pivot to virtual. Which is a separate discussion. I personally don't have a problem with MCPS not doing this, because last-minute virtual instruction is pretty worthless and only good for bean counting.

Don't have to make up days at end of school year in June when there is only one snow day built into school calendar. That's a plus.

Unless you actually care about school.

If MCPS refuses to use the legitimate make-up days that are already identified in the calendar- the ones before the end of the year- then they need to add more days to the base calendar.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people do. It goes against all of their training.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

Who said we should start school early? The issue is that you might have to leave your house earlier if your commute will take longer. And that's the accepted reality for everyone else, feds included.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.

+1. It's also definitely true for parents. I set an alarm to get up and see what the announcement is. That's normal.

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The excuses for closures continue to get more and more ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.

+1 I don't usually expect a.delay or a closure but I check in the morning if there is winter weather. I don't know what the issue is. It sounds like teachers are saying they expected a delay and because they expected it MCPS was obligated to call a delay? Bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

Who said we should start school early? The issue is that you might have to leave your house earlier if your commute will take longer. And that's the accepted reality for everyone else, feds included.

Exactly. I left early on Friday to get to work on time. That's a normal expectation for work.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

I’m confused about what point is trying to be made here. Are you complaining about delays? That seems odd. But if you are, other employers do those too.

I’m making the point that if your employer said maybe you’ll come in at the normal time, maybe you won’t, check in tomorrow morning, people would gripe about it, but God forbid teachers expect MCPS to follow their own historical protocol and then those teachers decide not to adjust on the fly when MCPS deviates from that with extremely short notice. This is the same employer who screwed with their childcare last Tuesday morning and last winter, also after deviating from historical patterns.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

Who said we should start school early? The issue is that you might have to leave your house earlier if your commute will take longer. And that's the accepted reality for everyone else, feds included.

Exactly. I left early on Friday to get to work on time. That's a normal expectation for work.

But I bet they paid you overtime.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

And like any other professionals, if they are expected to show up on time and can't make it, they need to take PTO. I am a federal employeee with a young child and, like all federal employee, am not allowed to telework. I took vacation leave on Tuesday morning to arrive late and would have taken it on Friday if it had been delayed or cancelled.

Public school systems don’t operate like the federal government or for-profit private sector companies. Their employment contracts and expectations are really different. School systems are responsible for the safety of children and transporting many of them to school. Therefore, school systems frequently have inclement weather days or delayed openings when everything else is open. It was MCPS, not the teachers, who deviated from the way they have historically operated last Friday — only giving notice that they were doing so after 5am.

Right. It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be capable of driving in the cold or snow the same way other people so. It goes against all of their training.

I’m sure Feds would have no problem if their agencies said we might change the core hours that you have to be in the office or we might not. You might be able to report at your usual time on Friday or a completely different time. We’ll let you know Friday morning.

Who said we should start school early? The issue is that you might have to leave your house earlier if your commute will take longer. And that's the accepted reality for everyone else, feds included.

Exactly. I left early on Friday to get to work on time. That's a normal expectation for work.

But I bet they paid you overtime.

Do you genuinely think people get paid overtime to commute when there's snow? Is this some kind of a bit?

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